Best agency?

[Cowboy kenny 50799]

Thank you both Dummpy and Angela, Suri my appologies.

 

SA, you are entitled to your opinion. This is a discussion board afterall :) , but you seemed fixated on the fact that I used to work in them. My point was they are worse and I know that for a fact because I still know many dancers and have in the past worked with and dated them. As Dummpy and Angela have stated you are looking in from the outside as a customer. But we have all seen it from the other side, and it's not such a great view.

 

Trust me, a woman is far more in control of her destiny, safety, finances and personal affairs as an escort rather than a dancer. I would never suggest to any one to consider working as a dancer. If they were to decide to dance I would support them, but I could not sleep at night knowing I suggested it as a viable option.

 

This is my final word on this subject.

[Andee 220524]

CK, you summed up for me what I was trying to say all along. I tend to get a little long-winded sometimes. SA, I am sure your posts were well meaning, but the point is, if we truly are looking out for Suri's best interests, then we will encourage her to read all the posts and decide for herself which is her best option.

 

And I believe we have done that here.

 

Suri, I hope you are not too confused or stressed by all of this. I am certain you will come to the right decision that is good for you. I am no means an "expert" on being an escort. Even after 15 years, I am still learning. Just when I think I have seen it all, or heard it all, I still encounter some unexpected surprises.

 

But for the most part I would say, if you are going to do this business, make sure you have some kind of support in place, someone watching your back so-to-speak, because as much as it can be rewarding it can also be very lonely at times especially if you need to vent and feel there is no one to listen. That's why it is important to make contacts with other SPs, even if it's just one other girl or a trusted agency rep.

 

Making money will not seem that great if you're miserable, lonely or scared. There are lots of people here on CERB, myself for example, who will support you in whatever choice you make. A simple phone call or pm can make all the difference between a good day and bad day.

 

For example, early one morning the other day, I needed to vent and I was lucky to find Katedot in the chat room. I have chatted with her a bit in the past but we have never met, but she was kind enough to listen to me rant and it made all the difference. I am thankful that she was there and so open. So there are good people on here willing to listen and give advice. But remember, you have to do what feels right for you. Good luck to you.

 

My final word on the subject.

[JustJack 4689]

Suri:

 

Your original question was "what agency do people suggest". The thread has evolved to include discussions on Independant vs Agency and also dancing vs Escorting. I'm not an expert on any of this, but, for what its worth, I will add my.02.

 

As for agencies I would suggest, like most business decisions, talk to a few before making a decision. As what they offer in terms of services and compare it to your needs. Consider their reputation, how long they've been in business etc. I don't imagine there is any one "best" agency.

 

With respect to whether to work for an agency of being independant, I think its been addressed in other threads as well but I would imagine working for an agency will reduce your administration workload and provide you clients. For most that may be a large benefit. Suri, IMO, you should consider that as an independant, since due to your existing reputation on CERB, you will instantly have sufficient clientele if you work parttime and virtually no admin workload. Since you would be escorting part time, I imagine you'd have more clients than you need.

 

Now the big one. Dancing vs Escorting. I realize your post didn't even ask for info in this area but a discussion has ensued on this topic so I will comment. I've met many SP's who said they would NEVER dance, for various reasons. I've met many dancers who said they would NEVER escort, but some of them offer "take out" to select clients. Everyone is different. Nobody can tell you what is best for you in this area. Both escorting and dancing have negative attributes as has been outlined in the thread. The best rule of thumb in either area, don't do anything you are not comfortable with, ever.

 

If you decide to escort again, I'd recommend setting out what parameters you are comfortable with, you set the rules. Its OK, so set restrictions if you are not comfortable offerring certain services. You may just want to offer services to people you know on CERB, atleast initially, on a selective basis as opposed to mass advertising on other sites.

 

If you are going to school at the same time, whether you would be dancing or escorting I'd suggest setting aside one or two nights a week that your clients know you would likely be available. You wouldn't be obligated to work those days but they would be your default days. That way your PM box wouldn't be filled every day and night asking if you are available lol. With very little effort (a thread saying you're available a certain day) I'm fairly certaing you'd have a full schedue and a lucreative business with very little admin. Having said all that, you have to be comfortable with it. But you know something, you're not committing to something for weeks, months or years. You can stop anytime you want so don't be too stressed of the decision. Escorting is a business. Everyone who starts a business is apprehensive and nervous at first. But don't worry, you have alot of supporters behind you.

 

The first time I saw you in Cerb Chat I was amazed. Very few peope have character like you do Suri. You are a special person and very smart to be taking a step back to consider your options.

 

JacK

[VedaSloan 119179]

CK, I am afraid I have to challenge your comments on dancing.

 

I was not recommending dancing in run down strip bars (can not name) but rather in reputable bars like Barbs, Barefax or Nuden where I know of plenty of classy beautiful ladies (mostly students) or whom I knew well and I knew are making tonnes of money (without doing any extras or demeaning acts but for just being beautiful and classy, like suri is) not only to pay for their education but also save substantial to travel around the world. please remember that i was going to SCs for 10-12 years before starting the new hobby 2 years ago and I met and made friends with hundreds of lady dancers and we share our joy and our pains (and if I recall correctly, you were working in an SC as a DJ for a few years too).

 

I am not sure what you are referring to as demeaning acts for the ladies, but there is a big difference. If it happens in the SC in a CR (which would be very rare) it is entirely the ladies' choice, however, in escorting it may not be entirely the ladies' choice in a bedroom where there is only the visiting (unknown) guy or guys and the lady with no one's direct supervision or protection (like a bouncer). Acts like FS without cover (client taking off the cover while the lady is not looking or under influence) or GB (demeaning in my view for the lady if it is against her better judgement, under influence or may regret doing that later) will never occur in a strip bar no matter how run down the strip bar may be.

 

 

SA, while I respect your opinion, you are NOT a dancer, and frequenting strip clubs doesn't make you an expert. What happens with you, is not how all clients act. Just as much demeaning crap can happen at a strip club, even so-called classier joints like the Nuden. Like guys who will try to stick their fingers in you when there is a strictly no touching between the legs rule. And that's sexual assault, my friend. And there is a TON of competition between dancers, classy or not. You have to be able to hustle and it's entirely different than escorting.

 

I hate to be blunt, but unless you've been dancing in a g-string yourself, you ain't got jack to say.

[Annessa 22743]

SA, while I respect your opinion, you are NOT a dancer, and frequenting strip clubs doesn't make you an expert. What happens with you, is not how all clients act. Just as much demeaning crap can happen at a strip club, even so-called classier joints like the Nuden. Like guys who will try to stick their fingers in you when there is a strictly no touching between the legs rule. And that's sexual assault, my friend. And there is a TON of competition between dancers, classy or not. You have to be able to hustle and it's entirely different than escorting.

 

I hate to be blunt, but unless you've been dancing in a g-string yourself, you ain't got jack to say.

 

obviously I favor the more blunt words but I agree as always with Erin, I've known many dancers and almost became one in my more fit days until I learned first hand of the dog-eat-dog-world of being one....and that class and poise got you nowhere when competition arose in th SC scene.

 

being an SP gives you the control to see who you want to see, trust your gut and follow through and be YOURSELF....not a lady in line whos paid a house fee competing with a dozen other catty ladies who most of the times are EXPECTED to offer extra mileage when they leave the club.

 

aside from the highjacked notions, I know you have recently joined PK. Good for you in your self-words and confidence in your decision.

 

only advice I can give towards agencies being now indi is:

 

1. make you restrictions clear and never abide to acts or locations that make you uncomfortable. know that you have the right to say no...even at the last minute. always be in control.

 

2. always report bad or disrespectful clients to your agency and if you dont wish to see them again, have your agency respect your wishes.

 

3. plans change, lives change direction etc.....if you should break ties with your agency there should be no drama or threats. you are your own person. (this is not a comment towards PK....just a comment that has been raised lately that no SP can break ties without drama)....if you choose to go indi, your agency should support your decision.

 

4. Make sure you schedule and wages are clear.

 

5. Keep your personal info to yourself, no contracts or signatures are required. You are entitled to keep your home address private from drivers and have a meeting point closeby. if this request is not respected it is potential fuel for fire at a later date should things get messy (once again not my feelings towards PK, just from my own experience its best to keep "you" to yourself.

 

best of luck Suri! xoxo

[JuliaOttawa 131]

CK, I am afraid I have to challenge your comments on dancing.

I'm sorry, secret_admirer, but dancing can be very cut-throat as CowboyKenny described and it is most definitely survival of the fittest. Dancing also can be harmful. One of my friends tried it and ended up having a really bad experience that hurt her badly. I've had dancer friends who've been assaulted.

 

I think dancing can be done correctly, but there are safety precautions that need to be taken into account.

 

If Suri chooses to go into dancing, I would want her to do so with her eyes wide open.

 

Suri - If you choose to go into dancing, feel free to PM me.

 

What will be the emotional consequences of all these for a very young lady down the road??.

Okay, getting lapdances does not make you qualified to talk about the "emotional consequences" of stripping. Please just stop.

If any of the ladies or gentlemen would like to respond to me PLEASE PM me. There has been more than enough discussion on this subject (not exactly related to the original post) here already. Thanks.

I feel your advice is dangerous and so I'm responding in this thread so that Suri and other women considering dancing will listen to people who've actually been there, and not a lapdance customer.

[JuliaOttawa 131]

SA, we'll have to agree to disagree. I did work in many clubs for many years, so I have an insight that you may not be able to appreciate. I maintain contact with people still in the bizz and I know for a fact that a lot more goes on in champagne rooms than you might imagine. As for demeaning, or objectifing simply dancing on stage or on a stool can be a horrifying and objectifiing experience for many girls.

 

of course gangbangs don't happen in strip clubs but other acts do, trust me they do. Don't get me wrong I'm not hating on the ladies for doing them, but rather the customers who would take advantage of the situation to get more than they are entitled to, strip clubs are for entertainment and teasing, but many customers try to get much more which is disrespectful to the girls and often the requests can be disrespectful, thereby making the stripclub environment less safe than you might have imagined. And were not talking about lower grad strip clubs, we're talking about many of the top familiar names.

 

In short advising a woman to dance rather than escorting is not neccisarly the best career advice to give out.

Well said, Cowboy_Kenny, and as a dancer, I approve this message. You have an insight into the biz most people don't have unless they've actually danced.

[JuliaOttawa 131]

SA, while I respect your opinion, you are NOT a dancer, and frequenting strip clubs doesn't make you an expert. What happens with you, is not how all clients act. Just as much demeaning crap can happen at a strip club, even so-called classier joints like the Nuden. Like guys who will try to stick their fingers in you when there is a strictly no touching between the legs rule. And that's sexual assault, my friend. And there is a TON of competition between dancers, classy or not. You have to be able to hustle and it's entirely different than escorting.

 

I hate to be blunt, but unless you've been dancing in a g-string yourself, you ain't got jack to say.

Thank you, Erin.

[curious2 323]

I hate to be blunt, but unless you've been dancing in a g-string yourself, you ain't got jack to say.

 

Yeah, OK, so that PROBABLY;-) disqualifies me, but this is the internet after all so being qualified to say something never stopped anyone! :)

 

I must say that I'm surprised by all the controversy that this thread has inspired. It seems to me that this hobby has a spectrum that seems rather clear to me, with dancing at one end, escorting at the other, and massage in the middle. So I tend to agree with SA, but obviously not with a bunch of others.

 

As Suri has already made her decision, this thread is kind of moot anyway, and it's so great that there are a bunch of options available, no matter how differently one sees the spectrum from somebody looking at it from the other end like me!

[JuliaOttawa 131]

It seems to me that this hobby has a spectrum that seems rather clear to me, with dancing at one end, escorting at the other, and massage in the middle.

That spectrum may make sense to you as a customer, but as a sex worker, the spectrum doesn't really work the same way. You may think that women who sell sex would have absolutely no problem with dancing, but I have known many services providers who shun the thought of $20 dances for multiple men each night as degrading and cheap, and then there are dancers who shun sex work as degrading and cheap. Each business presents its own challenges and rewards. There really is no linear perspective the way a client seeking services sees it.

 

I think the biggest problem with dancing over escorting is that you have to hustle and face rejection. Also, when you talk to 20-30+ men a night, surely a few will be rude to you. It's rare I leave a shift without having a guy be an asshole to me. I don't know if escorts would say the same thing.

 

Also, the rejection can really wear on you and your self-esteem. The competition is harsh, unlike escorting, you are working right next to your competition.

 

***The job is about so much more than just the mileage provided.***

[VedaSloan 119179]

Yeah, OK, so that PROBABLY;-) disqualifies me, but this is the internet after all so being qualified to say something never stopped anyone! :)

 

Yes, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.

 

My problem with SA and his comments lies in the fact that he is trying to speak about a subject that he cannot possibly understand fully unless he has actively engaged in said subject and acts as though he is the be-all and end-all word on the stripclubs, simply because he frequents them. I watch gay porn all the time, that doesn't mean I have any authority to discuss what it's like to be a gay porn star. It is offensive to those of us who DO know what it's like and to say that it's safer than escorting is complete BS. Each has their own respective dangers and pitfalls.

 

That coupled with the fact that he seems to think he's Suri's benefactor and has been putting words in her mouth left and right throughout this thread. Unless she asked you to come on CERB and act as her representative, stop talking for her.

[buggernot 588]

I only wish I could say that I had made 100+ friends from any walk of life throughout the course of my entire life. Although it all depends on how you define the word itself...

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[VedaSloan 119179]

I only wish I could say that I had made 100+ friends from any walk of life throughout the course of my entire life. Although it all depends on how you define the word itself...

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You can be my friend ;)

[buggernot 588]

You can be my friend ;)

 

Awww, that's so sweet...

 

So to close out this thread, let's all have a sing-along:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsKO_r76kfQ

 

Caution: May induce vomiting

[Guest W***ledi*Time]

Awww, that's so sweet...

 

So to close out this thread, let's all have a sing-along:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsKO_r76kfQ

 

Caution: May induce vomiting

 

ha ha ... now that's a big purple one ...

[Capital Hunter 18263]

I have been thinking about my posts in this thread and although I firmly believe in my comments, however, it may not have been appropriate to voice them on an escort review board (even though we do have a strip bar section on our diverse board). I may have offended some by my comments. Service providers working as escorts may have been offended, since I encouraged/promoted dancing and strip bars over escorts and its relative safety, and service providers working as dancers may have been offended by jumping to wrong conclusion that I meant to say that dancing is easy to do. I was speaking in terms of theory of relativity but opinions vary and that is normal. I apologize to each individual whom I may have offended. Opinion is a right to have but the freedom to express it should be under certain limitations.

 

We all differ in our views and that is normal but we must respect each other's views no matter how different they may be and accept and believe in diversity. That is why we have a discussion board at the first place. But views should be expressed only if it does not seriously offend not even one person as one is one too many in my view (which needless to say I had NO IDEA it would at the time I posted my view on dancing).

 

It was not at all intended to interfere in the original poster’s affairs. I was responding to the question in the original post and provided one more option for the original poster to consider as many others provided different options. Unfortunately the advice did not sit well with a number of readers who responded with their views to the contrary and the debate dragged on more than it should have.

 

I was not putting words in the mouth of the original poster, as it was alleged in one post. The original poster who sought advice in this thread, posted a thread in June stating that escorting has taken its toll on her health (mainly emotionally) and that she found out escorting is not for her (the Goodbye thread is still on cerb, however, most if not all members remember that thread as there was an outpouring of emotions and sadness and good wishes for the original poster) and I was presenting an alternative option (dancing) which could have worked for her, since escorting did not. But that was then and now is now. The original poster has come out stronger than before. She has learned form her past mistakes (if any) as we all do (As I did here) and I sincerely hope that she does make it this time round.

 

As the original admirer of Suri, in the recommendation section (and also a second recommendation when I announced her possible return, upon her request), I think that her beauty is undisputed and I am sure everyone would be very lucky to have her nearby. As a fictional event, I would say that her beauty is so distractive that even driving with her in a car may be hazardous as the driver may miss the red light out of distraction and hit an oncoming vehicle, yet alone driving with her in the bedroom.

 

Suri, the right decision is the decision that you and only you can make and feel comfortable with. No one else has the right to decide what that decision is. We had the right to advice various options, since you asked for our advice, but the ultimate decision is all yours and no one else’s. Although I would not be able to see you myself, however, I can confidently say that every other person in the world would be very lucky to spend an hour with you. I wish you all the best of luck in the world and in your future endeavours.

 

 

P.S. I have consulted the mod if I could delete my posts in this thread. If permission granted, I will go ahead and delete them, as the advice given on dancing option no longer serves any purpose (a decision has already been made by original poster) and it may be offensive to a some readers.

 

Secret Admirer

[Andee 220524]

SA, when you post something you are putting yourself out there to be challenged and perhaps even criticized. But unfortunately you are right, you just "don"t get it".

 

Your image of being the good guy to all your dancer friends is admirable and that is probably why so many of them liked you, but where does that give authority to speak of behalf of what it's like to be a dancer or an escort.

 

And this assumption that somehow we are not a safe because we have some guy in our bedroom alone. I am not saying it doesn't happen, but the horrors of which you speak occur actually far less than you might think.

 

At least in my case. I don't know if it's because I'm picky or just lucky, but for the most part, I have courteous, and hygenically acceptable clients. Most are regular guys just looking to drop in, have a visit and be on their way without any hassle. They are coming into my space, trusting me that I am not going to phone their number back unsolicited, or have some guy hidden in the closet who's going to rip them off which can happen as well.

 

I admire any woman who has the jam to be a dancer because even if I was younger and in shape I know I couldn't do it, that's for sure. I would rather see 2-4 clients in a day than have to be on the floor for several hours competing for the attention of all the men in the club.

[buggernot 588]

I was not putting words in the mouth of the original poster, as it was alleged in one post.

The original poster has come out stronger than before. She has learned form her past mistakes

 

Just for future reference, this is a perfect example of what some people may refer to as 'putting words in someone else's mouth'. Found in the same paragraph no less. And perhaps you did not notice, but the exact post that called you out for doing so originally was actually nominated by the original poster. Now for me to assume that that was the reasoning behind it, would be me putting words into someone else's mouth, so I won't. It might mean something though.

 

I'm not pointing this out to be a dick, it just seems that you need a bit of help understanding your missteps since they keep repeating. All part of that learning process...

[Capital Hunter 18263]

Just for future reference, it would be nice if you verify the facts in a PM, before posting and accusing but I have PMed you with a response which I think would clear me of your accusation, buggernot. Also, please don't pick two sentences out of a paragragh. If you wish to quote, please quote the entire paragragh.

 

Please ladies and gentlemen, lets close this discussion. Further discussion would not be useful and is not going to serve any purpose as a decision has been made by the original poster already. And I have already apologized to those I may have offended.

[Guest f***2f***]

I have PMed you with a response, buggernot.

 

Please ladies and gentlemen, lets close this discussion. Further discussion would not be useful and is not going to serve any purpose as a decision has been made by the original poster already. And I have already apologized to those I may have offended.

 

It's not all about you believe it or not. The discussion continues because folks in the forum find it interesting and want to continue to comment.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

It's not all about you believe it or not. The discussion continues because folks in the forum find it interesting and want to continue to comment.

 

Yes go ahead if it makes you feel good. I just wonder what happened to our all positive board (and I am not sure this thread has been all positive so far). I myself enjoy reading about our beautiful ladies and discussion/exchange of information on these beautiful ladies rather than personal attacks and false accusations which I personally find it lets say unpleasant and in my view does not belong to this board (and I am not referring to buggernot's post on this one).

[buggernot 588]

It's not all about you believe it or not. The discussion continues because folks in the forum find it interesting and want to continue to comment.

 

I thought Barney was the ultimate closer. And I was wrong. But we still all love each other right? Big happy family? I'll post that purple blob of a dinosaur again if that's what it takes...big warning!

[Guest f***2f***]

Yes go ahead if it makes you feel good. I just wonder what happened to our all positive board (and I am not sure this thread has been all positive so far). I myself enjoy reading about our beautiful ladies and discussion/exchange of information on these beautiful ladies rather than personal attacks and false accusations which I personally find it lets say unpleasant and in my view does not belong to this board (and I am not referring to buggernot's post on this one).

 

Agreed there are some unhelpful comments...but the discussion on dancing, mas, and sps is very interesting....to me anyway.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

Agreed there are some unhelpful comments...but the discussion on dancing, mas, and sps is very interesting....to me anyway.

 

What may have been interesting to you (and agreed to me too, the unpleasant comments to the side) may have been offensive to some (i.e. discussion or possible promotion of dancing and strip bars and its relative safety in my view, likely should not have been expressed on an escort review board. I realized it now and that is why I asked mod for his advice for its possible deletion). Beside, the discussion does not belong to this thread which is about suri. If you find it interesting, please open a new thread on the subject (I wouldn't advise it though).

[PistolPete 61421]

Wow, just got caught up in this thread, Suri really happy you are back as an SP, that was the thread I was paying more attention to, your announcement by PK.:motion: