sometimes I miss the old days

[Guest *l**e]

the year...1990. Strip clubs in this region were very different. Dances were $5 each and there were no champagne rooms. If you wanted a dance, the girl would put a small box in front of you and dance on it, stripping seductively. There was no touching. As a matter of fact if you even touched a girl's leg you would be aggressively thrown out and the contents of your wallet would be granted to the lady you assaulted.

Guys would watch the shows till they a girl that struck their fancy and then get some dances.

 

And they were "SHOWS"!! The clubs paid top dollar to get the prettiest girls they could find, but these girls had to be able to dance and actually put on a show. The crowds would watch the stage and clap enthusiastically when a dancer did something cool...it was a true show.

 

Things are different now. Now, guys go to the clubs and compare notes on how "far I got" with a girl. For $20/song, just about anything goes in some clubs; we have all seen the "fs club" threads. The girls pay fairly substantial fees to work in the clubs...none get paid anymore.

 

Don't get me wrong...I love a hot, steamy, sexy lap dance and have had a super blast in most of the clubs in this area, but some days I miss the old days.

 

Curious what you all think. Have clubs blurred the lines between dancers and sps too much or is it better this way?

[Annessa 22743]

as a burlesque dancer who works in the strip club i agree with you on the SHOWS part....these days, if a girl isnt doing magnificent pole acrobatics (which is definitely stage-worthy) girls just go up on stage and shake their asses or play with their naughty bits on stage and if someone REALLY dances or, heaven forbid, puts any sort of costuming or choreography into her act all it gets is eye-rolls from the other gals or club-goers...like they're "trying too hard" or something....thats why I'm super excited when i get to do a burlesque show outside the club because people hoot and holler and cheer as skin is about to be revealed and theres way more creativity than just laying down a blanket , getting down on all fours and spreading your legs.

 

[cat 262460]

Absolutely! I remember when I first started escorting, I considered dancing and ruled it out because a girl actually had to know how to put on a show and I have 2 left feet! I loved the performance and the showmanship the headliner would bring and the club girls would constantly try to up their game so maybe they could headline one day.

 

A couple of weeks ago I was at a club here, it was a very quiet night for both clients and girls; the stage was empty. The manager and I were kibitzing and he motioned to the stage suggesting I go up. I told him I would rather put a man on that stage and have my way with him than dance. (yes, I'm that bad a dancer). He laughed and replied "just pretend there is a guy there! That's all the girls do." and I realized he was serious. It was a sad realization for me. The game has changed and not for the better in my opinion. An art was lost...

 

cat

[Guest *l**e]

well...thankfully there are still burlesque groups around doing shows like the ones Annessa does, so the art isn't totally lost, but your point is heard.

 

And Annessa...I really only pay attention to the stage if there is a girl up there who can actually dance or do something interesting and entertaining. There are still a few girls around who can put on a show, but not many.

[yak2432 1499]

There also used to me a lot more clubs operating. Back in the 80's it seemed that every single small town in Canada, well Ontario and Quebec anyway had a club. Back in the day there were clubs in Arnprior, Richmond, Kanata, Manotick, Chesterville, Carlsbad Springs and even one in the middle of nowhere on the road to Cornwall. Now there only are the 4 in Ottawa and the 4 across the river.

[Guest Ot**w***og****n]

For the very reasons articulated above, I have not been to a strip club, formerly referred to as gentlemen's clubs, for several years. I am old school and I miss the clubs of bygone years as well. Just me as to each their own.

[scribbles 6031]

I have been away from it all, including strip clubs, for over a year and a half (a relationship that led to an engagement, you see?), but I think what you are seeing really is a regionalized evolution in our sensitivity to sexualized titillation. To some greater or lesser extent, it's about the novelty of seeing something you can't see everywhere, and the economics of getting the greatest return for what you spend, and you see this in the adult industry as a whole. In porn, just witnessing two people having sex used to be enough to turn our cranks, but we've gradually become adjusted to an increasing level of naughtiness that now has double anal penetration ranking as commonplace. In strip clubs, 5 dollars isn't as big a deal as it was 25 years ago. But, for 20, guys are wanting a lot more "mileage," given that they can watch Hollywood starlets disrobe almost completely on prime time television anytime they want. Burlesque used to provide titillation in that you could nowhere else see a woman acting outwardly sexual, and also in varying degrees of nakedness, except for in these shows. And, let's be honest, its about the availability of skin.

 

That's why I say it's regionalized. The refusal of federal govt to play a role in defining obscenity has left that job to communities. So, in one community a dirty lap dance (my favorite) with grinding and touching and who knows what else is fine. In another, dancing naked a foot from your customer with no contact at all is still only allowed so long as alcohol is not served. Supply dictates demand. If I can have an ultra hot 20 year old juggling my face between her breasts while grinding on my increasingly frustrated lap for $20, I'll take that every time over the same 20 year old naked hottie who dances a foot and a half from me in perfect parody of Britney in her prime (with or without costume). If that same lap dancer offers extras for the same price, that'll be where demand escalates a notch again. And so on.

 

Not saying it's good or bad. Just saying that's the way it is.

 

Scrb

 

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[bluethunder01 1111]

That was indeed what the clubs were like in 1990 when places like Lido, Fanny's, Valentino's and the amazing for its time original Barbarella's on Bank Street were the places to go.

 

That was a time where the only way one could find an SP was through a newspaper, a magazine or word of mouth and it was a roll of the dice whether you would be happy with your experience.

 

The Internet and Social Media have changed the landscape as finding a great SP is very easy nowadays. The clubs have had to compete to keep people coming in but not for the better. I miss the Feature Acts. Clubs were starting to phase them out around 1993-94. Champagne Rooms have been the norm since 1991, when Fanny's created the first in the city. Full contact lap dances became my norm in 1998.

 

I do miss those days. I'm certain it was more profitable for the employees. Men got to see top XXX stars in person and get autographs and pictures with them. These days with the ease of finding what you want on the Internet, it's harder to make a living as an exotic dancer with the competition, word of mouth everywhere and the high DJ fees.

 

Only weakness of the old era was that I ran into a lot of beautiful but conceited and arrogant women. Fanny's had a lot of gorgeous egomaniacs working there in 1991-95.

[Guest realnicehat]

I hear you Il Re.

 

I fondly remember the days when our local club had $5 "no contact" dances.

 

There was an air of mystery to it, with it's seemingly endless parade of beautiful french Canadian women visiting on a bi-weekly cycle. They came for a short stay, they came to play, and they would always leave you smiling and wanting more.

 

Dancers needed to use skill and sensuality rather than a "go ahead and grab 'em" attitude in order to keep a customer in the chair. I recall the excitement generated by just the slightest brush of her thigh on yours, or when they would lean their back in to your chest, all the while still hovering over your lap. Soft ear whispers would send shivers down your spine and a gentle hug at the end would leave you feeling like a school boy. Their job was to tease, not to please and they did it well. And at $5 a song you didn't really care if they just sat and chatted for a bit.

 

Of course I'll admit I was thrilled the first time a lovely lady in Toronto said "you can touch them if you like". For a while I enjoyed the thrills of these new looser rules. I've never made it to a full service club but I did have a handful of experiences that required "clean-up". Yep, I said handful. Realized it while I was typing it.....too late to turn back.

 

After a while it all just became common place sadly. While I knew what I could get and for how much the joy was gone. The business has changed and with it the attitude of many of the ladies involved. The last time I politely declined a dance the young woman stormed off as if I'd spit on her. I realize that their day can be a frustratingly long shift of rejections but I often find many of them quite unpleasant right from the approach.

 

I almost feel like the newer generation of dancers had no one to look up to. There seem to be no mentors to help bring them up. The ladies with the dance (and often people) skills who didn't want to work contact clubs were pushed out with the changing times leaving behind the grinders to hold down the fort.

 

There are, of course, exceptions. Ladies who shine both on the stage and on the floor who are a pleasure to spend time with. I just have a harder time finding them.

[ngtime 560]

In an uncanny way it has actually participated the demise of the strip club. Every year another one or two disappear, and the situation is the same in other communities. Sites like CERB have opened the eyes to many, a far better experience be had with the advertisers on this site. Cleaner, safer environment where one can freshen up before and after the experience.

 

There are those who claim that the SC is an exciting experience, and is far less naughty than an MA or SP. I disagree, getting teased in a tiny CR with others gawking as they walk by is not my idea of pleasure. Leaving the CR very horny or very messy is another dilemma.

[Guest *l**e]

don't get me wrong...no one enjoys a good time in the cr more than I do!!! lol

I just kinda think that sometimes they may have made an error in going so far in this direction. Although, I'm thinking the club owners disagree with me as they cruise by in their porsches...lol

[someguy 67067]

I miss the old days also? Started going to the clubs in the early 80's.

I used to enjoy the feature dancers and met some pretty famous one's back then and had my pictures taken with a few of the porn star's, or playboy models that would come into town to feature. Back then they could dance and have acts with fire and snakes and even remember seeing some woman with a tiger on stage.

I actually enjoyed watching women who could dance and work the pole.

These days the girls just walk around on high heels and show off body on the floor.

The art of burlesque has been lost.

It's become a place for them to show their wares to get you into the CR rooms.

It's not that I don't still enjoy watching beautiful women get naked, but I enjoy watching talented women that have dance skill as well.

I miss the 5 dollar lap dance. It's become too expensive at 20 a dance, and some of the songs are short.

I don't go to SC as much these days, as I prefer to spend the money on a SP or MA, much better value.

[Guest *l**e]

I think the tiger lady was Jane Jones...she was awesome

[Dipper 1033]

Do I miss it, absolutely.... I blame it all on the Golden Arch for the fast food mentality and the internet for the easy porn access. Please bring back the tease and the majic of imagination. Lead me to believe not just shove it in my face. Fortunately, there a few gems out there

[whiteman 14028]

I remember that at that time many of the feature dancers were also porn stars -- and in fact, they did porn to advertise their feature dancing careers, not the other way around! They made their big money by feature dancing at clubs throughout the country, not by acting in the porn; much like touring rock'n'roll shows used to make their big money by touring not by album sales.

 

These days porn stars make their money by being porn stars, not by dancing. Similarly, I guess modern musicians aren't big into touring either.

[Phaedrus 209521]

I remember that at that time many of the feature dancers were also porn stars -- and in fact, they did porn to advertise their feature dancing careers, not the other way around! They made their big money by feature dancing at clubs throughout the country, not by acting in the porn; much like touring rock'n'roll shows used to make their big money by touring not by album sales.

 

These days porn stars make their money by being porn stars, not by dancing. Similarly, I guess modern musicians aren't big into touring either.

 

That's changing, rapidly. The Internet and the rise of torrents and piracy is putting an end to making much money off content. The money's in live shows and merchandise.

 

Going back to the subject of this thread: if you're hankering after someone who can put on a show and you happen to be at Barb's, look out for Jolie (on the assumption that she's still there - I haven't been for a while). Her stage show is well worth watching.

[bluethunder01 1111]

I was watching the movie Naked Obsession on YT and I liked how you could line money around the stage if you were impressed with the show. I remember sitting in around the stage at Olympic Gardens in 2001 in Las Vegas giving out a steady stream of bills. That was a lot of fun and I wish that could at least return in some way. Not everybody wants to lie on the stage with a $5, $10 or $20 in their mouth.

 

Also, nobody comes to the stage with a blanket-like prop any more. I haven't seen one in years. I guess that became a victim of the changes made to stage shows.

 

Somewhere, someplace there's a club with a 1990 vibe. Probably in the U.S.

 

Still, there are a few gems here. One lady is an individual Il Re knows very well; not only is she an absolute sweetheart and very friendly but she's a real tigress in the CR. Even she still leaves me imagining like the ladies of 1990 did albeit in a different way.

[Guest Ni**t*****t]

This is a very interesting thread. I have known SCs since the late 1970s and witnessed the evolution throughout the years up to my last visit which was about 6 months ago.

 

Throughout these years things have changed considerably as everyone here stated. I will not bore you with the list of changes, I think everyone's got it by now. One thing remains though and that is the fact that, whatever club you got to, chances are you will interact with a lovely girl, whether you are looking for high mileage or not. This is what has kept me coming back all these years. I love the presence of a pretty girl whatever she offers...

 

Don't get me wrong, I used to love the quality of the stage shows before and the burlesque atmosphere of the clubs, but things have changed... for the better or the worse? I don't know... there were great things then and are great things now.

 

I think that major contributing factors to these changes are the CRs that were introduced in the early 90s (anyone remember the first CRs at Barbs on Queen St where you sat on some sort of long bench and could see what everyone else was doing?) and the fact that clubs don't pay the girls anymore. The girls need to pay to work now and a night in some clubs can be quite expensive... no wonder the owners drive luxury cars! This fact however may have changed some girls' attitude as, like us, they have bills to pay, sometimes little mouths to feed, etc... I think today's world is much more demanding on these lovely girls. I salute them and have a lot of respect for them. We are very fortunate to still have many lovely girls to spend time with at our favorite clubs.

[r__d 12698]

(anyone remember the first CRs at Barbs on Queen St where you sat on some sort of long bench and could see what everyone else was doing?)

 

Recall the "long bench" room but seem to remember small partitions along the length of it, but it may have been entirely open for a while before the tiny partitions were installed. The other CR at that time (and I think it was the only one prior to the opening of the "long bench" room) was, and this seems unthinkable now, a fairly small, more or less square room with benches on all four sides. When busy it could seem quite crowded, although I was never very comfortable with more than one other dancer in there.

 

Things certainly have changed at Barb's but I can recall that era.

Wow, am I old.

[Guest Ni**t*****t]

Things certainly have changed at Barb's but I can recall that era.

Wow, am I old.

 

Me too! lol

[whiteman 14028]

I think that major contributing factors to these changes are the CRs that were introduced in the early 90s (anyone remember the first CRs at Barbs on Queen St where you sat on some sort of long bench and could see what everyone else was doing?) and the fact that clubs don't pay the girls anymore. The girls need to pay to work now and a night in some clubs can be quite expensive... no wonder the owners drive luxury cars! This fact however may have changed some girls' attitude as, like us, they have bills to pay, sometimes little mouths to feed, etc... I think today's world is much more demanding on these lovely girls. I salute them and have a lot of respect for them. We are very fortunate to still have many lovely girls to spend time with at our favorite clubs.

I remember when there were no CR's but there were Table Dances, where the dancer brought a stool over to your table and gave you an up close and personal dance right at your table. Everybody in the table got to see, and as it turned out everybody in surrounding tables got to see it too.

 

I remember even back then there was a quest for privacy, even though it was completely out in the open. I would try to seek out the darkest corners of a room so that if I got a table dance, as few other people as possible could see it.

[ngtime 560]

Was still available at that dive on Aylmer's main drag before it closed last year. Club 61 I think it was. In those dark corners anything would go too.

[sumcanuck 310]

Boy oh boy does this discussion bring back fond memories! The Voyageur, The Carlsbad Showbar, Berwick, Hammond, The Gap....The Ranch...man oh man those WERE the days.

 

And, as mentioned earlier, there was an air of respect between the patrons and the ladies...touch a gal and you were gone (unless she asked you) and the aura was simply one of sexual promise, teasing, and rarely fulfilled liasons. The fleeting touch from a dancer made many a young mans heart flutter, and wallets lighter lol. Ahhh those were the days.

[whiteman 14028]

Boy oh boy does this discussion bring back fond memories! The Voyageur, The Carlsbad Showbar, Berwick, Hammond, The Gap....The Ranch...man oh man those WERE the days.

 

And, as mentioned earlier, there was an air of respect between the patrons and the ladies...touch a gal and you were gone (unless she asked you) and the aura was simply one of sexual promise, teasing, and rarely fulfilled liasons. The fleeting touch from a dancer made many a young mans heart flutter, and wallets lighter lol. Ahhh those were the days.

Although that's pretty romanticized, I do remember back in those days, the touching though more fleeting, may still happen, and usually it was an unstated agreement between you and the dancer based only on each other's eye contact. In other words, exactly like today. :lovers:

[curmudgeon 10469]

Going back to the subject of this thread: if you're hankering after someone who can put on a show and you happen to be at Barb's, look out for Jolie (on the assumption that she's still there - I haven't been for a while). Her stage show is well worth watching.

 

Jolie was working nights last week. Her show is great - her other dancing gig is in a Burlesque troop, and it shows.