Zoe Zee 13876 Report post Posted September 25, 2013 I don't mean to be rude but what the %^*#^ is with all the bbfs requests? I took some time off and since I've come back, so many men have requested bbfs "even if I pay you more." NO... No, no and NO!! I will not offer bbfs (although I do bbbj) but that's a whole different story. Did I miss a memo somewhere? What's going on? I've been around for a while and I have NEVER had this many requests. People, please play safe, get checked regularly and please don't participate in bbfs! It's not just about pregnancy or bacterial infections! There are serious viruses out there! I'm just shocked by the number of requests, as if it's normal. Please, don't let this be the norm... 33 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cometman 35115 Report post Posted September 25, 2013 Atta girl! Anyone that knows anything, knows it just ain't worth it. Salute'! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ***rgi*****9 Report post Posted September 25, 2013 I don't mean to be rude but what the %^*#^ is with all the bbfs requests? I took some time off and since I've come back, so many men have requested bbfs "even if I pay you more." NO... No, no and NO!! ... I'm just shocked by the number of requests, as if it's normal. Please, don't let this be the norm... I wonder how many people are asking the question to actually weed out SP's? I can't imagine that many pooners wanting BBFS, I could be wrong but that is my thought process as to why so many people are asking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
renegade 11027 Report post Posted September 25, 2013 As a fine man once said " stupid is as stupid does". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
throckmortonpruddygo 2025 Report post Posted September 25, 2013 I think it is the onslaught of BP girls. They aren't real escorts, they are just 'lay and pay' girls. I know of over 20 SP's providing BBFS (yes, from direct personal experience, includes some retired and some travelling, but mostly BP girls). It is scary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muncher459 1040 Report post Posted September 25, 2013 I don't mean to be rude but what the %^*#^ is with all the bbfs requests? I took some time off and since I've come back, so many men have requested bbfs "even if I pay you more." NO... No, no and NO!! I will not offer bbfs (although I do bbbj) but that's a whole different story. Did I miss a memo somewhere? What's going on? I've been around for a while and I have NEVER had this many requests. People, please play safe, get checked regularly and please don't participate in bbfs! It's not just about pregnancy or bacterial infections! There are serious viruses out there! I'm just shocked by the number of requests, as if it's normal. Please, don't let this be the norm... This is the first time I have seen this issue raised here (I have only been a member for about 3 months), but it is a problem in western Canada that has is constantly been discussed on other boards. A lot of providers now just list no BBFS on their restrictions, anyone asking gets blacklisted I wonder how many people are asking the question to actually weed out SP's? I can't imagine that many pooners wanting BBFS, I could be wrong but that is my thought process as to why so many people are asking. Clients are asking because they know it is on the table with some ladies,whether it be bp or cl, it is a service that is out there on the market. The "just checking " excuse gets used a lot from what I have read, and when a SP gets upset by the question, is used to weasel out the back door,when you know you have crossed the line a lot of providers will blacklist you anyway. It is a hot issue, needs to have a a zero tolerance from the providers, which in turn makes for a safer and happier atmosphere for everyone 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DwayneR 2105 Report post Posted September 25, 2013 (edited) Clients are asking because they know it is on the table with some ladies,whether it be bp or cl, it is a service that is out there on the market. The "just checking " excuse gets used a lot from what I have read, and when a SP gets upset by the question, is used to weasel out the back door,when you know you have crossed the line a lot of providers will blacklist you anyway. It is a hot issue, needs to have a a zero tolerance from the providers, which in turn makes for a safer and happier atmosphere for everyone If your just checking, I think it a terrible way to start a session. I can just imagine the SP thinking the whole time how safe is this client. Was he really just checking? Also what if SPs start checking the same way! What complicated mess. Way simpler and Easier if everyone stays safe. Edited September 25, 2013 by DwayneR Spelling 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roamingguy 300292 Report post Posted September 25, 2013 I wonder how many people are asking the question to actually weed out SP's? I can't imagine that many pooners wanting BBFS, I could be wrong but that is my thought process as to why so many people are asking. Maybe, and I say maybe that could be the case. But then it is just as inappropriate a question to ask a lady as asking her if she is drug and disease free. For those men engaged in this lifestyle who may be new to this lifestyle every person is responsible for their own sexual health. It is completely innappropriate to ask a lady if she is D&D free or if she does bbfs as a trick test question Ladies don't insult gentlemen by asking those demeaning questions. So men shouldn't ask them of ladies And for those asking about bbfs because they want it, I hope they are blacklisted and ladies warned RG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
usernametaken 2892 Report post Posted September 25, 2013 Must be a "generation thing". I was surprised as hell when i joined here that bbfs was even offered ! Older generation had the big aids scare in the early 80's and wouldn't dare have bbfs .... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CristyCurves 169032 Report post Posted September 25, 2013 some info for those who may want to know http://www.barebackhealth.net/health/abc-std.html 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gabriella Laurence 301887 Report post Posted September 25, 2013 ...Clients are asking because they know it is on the table with some ladies,whether it be bp or cl, it is a service that is out there on the market. Unfortunately, it is :( ...The "just checking " excuse gets used a lot from what I have read, and when a SP gets upset by the question, is used to weasel out the back door,when you know you have crossed the line a lot of providers will blacklist you anyway. It is a hot issue, needs to have a a zero tolerance from the providers, which in turn makes for a safer and happier atmosphere for everyone Indeed, those excuses along with "I am allergic to latex, can I get BBFS" and/or "I have been with my wife for 30 years, never had sex with anyone else during that time, I am disease free, can't get an erection with a condom, can we have BBFS" or the opposite "I am a virgin" get used a lot and those BBFS requests are more common then one might expect. Your back door comment is also accurate... These types of emails always have a pattern to them too. It usually goes something like this: - First, he let's you know he is disease free - secondly, he let's you know he is more than comfortable financially - then explains his monogamous life - then explains his problem with an erection when wearing a condom - then gives the lady/SP great compliments - then shares his concerns about the SP being disease free - then offers "papers" to show he is "clean" and requires the same thing from the SP - then there is usually a reinforcement about how good looking he is, how wealthy he is, how he would be a good client and how he cares about his health (and yours) - then they often go into the "if you are not willing to offer BBFS, please do not be rude because I asked" - and if you have the misfortune of dealing with someone who is persistent, after you say no, they will come back with other "valid points" as to why you should offer them BBFS, remind you that you would be missing out on a lot and then come back with a higher $number... Must be a "generation thing". I was surprised as hell when i joined here that bbfs was even offered ! Older generation had the big aids scare in the early 80's and wouldn't dare have bbfs .... From experience (not only personal but from other ladies), I can assure you that BBFS requests come from men from all ages. .................. I am posting this email request as an example, edited to protect the man's privacy and his personal information, just to give you an idea of the manipulation involved in those types of request. Since I was not the one to receive that particular request, my lady friend gave me permission to post it in this thread. "Hello, I'm a tall, fit, handsome, intelligent, respectful, 100% disease free man who lives in xxx who collects a hefty xxxx and who has been in a faithful relationship with the same woman for the past x years but sadly the passion is now gone and I need some fun in my life. I would like to see you as soon as possible. I am looking for one classy honest, disease free provider to share a series of very special experiences with. As long as provide you with info to do a thorough back round check on me as well as current up to date medical proof that I'm 100% disease free and I also need proof that your totally healthy as well! Can we do a 6 hour BBFS session? Please email me your decision, thank you. I am a member of xxx and I do take maintaining my perfect health very seriously. P.S I am not the kind of guy to jump into a BBFS situation with both guns blazing because my perfect health is very important to me but as long as your willing to be honest with me and provide me with all the documentation that you are totally clean and once we get to know one another and build a trust between us is a 6 HOUR BBFS session possible? If you are not interested just politely say no but please don't go out of your way to insult me because there is no need for that, thank you and I look forward to hearing from you as soon as possible. P.S I am more then happy to donate extra, for the extra care and consideration. One more thing I forgot to mention, I am very well endowed! I am built way above the standard in every way imaginable! " 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrgreen760 37785 Report post Posted September 25, 2013 It does seem bbfs is offered more and more these days or at least that's what we've been led to believe. I do think where there's smoke there tends to be fire. I recall not that long ago that a bbbj was unheard of, at least publicly and now it seems to be the norm vs the exception and often a deal breaker. The advent of come and go girls using a cell phone and bathroom selfie's could be the driver but I'm not convinced that is the only driver. In a small market like Winnipeg I think competition is also a factor, traveling girls have obviously found a lucrative market here and one just needs to look at the number of local vs traveler ads on ec ads to verify this and must be taking a lot $$$ out of the local market. Increased competition causes lots of reactions, competitive pricing can be one, using rumours of certain sp's providing bbfs to discredit them is another, we've seen outing's of sp's to family, friends and landlords and we do have a rep for cancelling and no shows which can in some cases be caused by friends of or jealous sp's, come and go girls who don't care about long term business or other issues. It could simply be a new generation of players who are fine with it and the risks involved. Due diligence by both the provider and the customer has never been more important than it is these days. And that has taken some of the fun out of the game at least for me. Peace MG 8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest webothscore Report post Posted September 25, 2013 Not directed at any one specifically, but regardless of competition, claims of money, reputation, monogamy, D&D free and A - Z, nobody should be asking for or providing bbfs. I don't think this is an opinion as much as it really should be a standard. If anyone who has ever offered or asked for it, don't get your backs up, just think of yourselves and others. Play safe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gabbylaurenxoxo 370 Report post Posted September 25, 2013 I had recently posed the same question, on another board, surprised by the number of requests I received when travelling to a new area (not Wpg): I often see warning posts about SPs who advertise or offer bbfs and bbgr. I also appreciate these warnings to the community, as my personal safety is top-of-mind to me. As SPs, we also have our own "blacklists" for undesirable dates, and mine includes gents who request uncovered penetrative services. My question is this: how does a typical conversation go with your potential provider or client for you to ascertain that they deserve a special seat on your no-fly list, and/or sharing with the community to warn others? Here's an example for me: DUDE: Hey u available? ME: Hi there! Next tonight in city at time or time. DUDE: Ok, this time works for me. ME: Great, how long are you looking to spend together? DUDE: An hour. ME: Sure. Have you had a chance to learn more about me on my website? DUDE: Yup. Is bbfs available? ME: That request gets you on my blacklist. All the very best to you. And the conversation ends. I'm really not concerned about whether he's "asking for safety reasons", or any other further texts that follow. I'm done, and so are you. Variations that I find concerning include: "I hate condoms", anything that involves the word cream or creampie, questions about whether I like the feeling of a "man cuming deep inside me", and allusions to having surplus amounts of cash or "knowing how this industry works". What are red-flag phrases for you? Do you allow the other party a chance to explain their questionable response or flag them and move on? Safety first, Gabby xoxo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cinelli 22184 Report post Posted September 26, 2013 I am built way above the standard in every way imaginable! " For the record, I never claim to be anything other than sub-standard. Additional Comments: Increased competition causes lots of reactions, competitive pricing can be one, using rumours of certain sp's providing bbfs to discredit them is another, we've seen outing's of sp's to family, friends and landlords and we do have a rep for cancelling and no shows which can in some cases be caused by friends of or jealous sp's, come and go girls who don't care about long term business or other issues. Many of the SPs and their handlers who do this stuff see absolutely nothing wrong with it. They consider it a normal business strategy. This really makes me mad....hard to bite my tongue but this is not the place! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrgreen760 37785 Report post Posted September 26, 2013 "Many of the SPs and their handlers who do this stuff see absolutely nothing wrong with it. They consider it a normal business strategy. This really makes me mad....hard to bite my tongue but this is not the place!" That would and has put some on my personal no-fly list. Peace MG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SHE DEVIL 16331 Report post Posted September 26, 2013 Maybe one a year, I get one. If that. I'd rather deal with BBFS requests than tried to be ordered like a pizza or no shows. Must be a "generation thing". I was surprised as hell when i joined here that bbfs was even offered ! Older generation had the big aids scare in the early 80's and wouldn't dare have bbfs .... It's generational for those who never used them before the AIDS epidemic. Those are the types that ask for it. It may have to do with marketing, because as I Greek provider, I get asked for pse, which isn't an option. SD 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest a**4* Report post Posted September 26, 2013 If you can't play safe don't play at all Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MightyPen 67414 Report post Posted September 27, 2013 Yeah, this is really miserable behaviour. Most of all, it makes me feel terrible for anyone these guys contact who, due to whatever unhappy circumstances, actually accedes to the request. (Are these guys even for real? Do they show up for these appointments? Or is it just some sad guy making stuff up, seeing if he can get someone to agree to put themselves at risk like this?) Hmm. There was just a news story about an Ottawa cop who would set up appointments with SPs only to show up in uniform and deliver a safety talk. Maybe we could flip that around, and set something up with the city whereby BBFS-seeking clients are strung along enough to show up to an appointment, only to be greeted by a Health Services doctor in a labcoat who sits them down and delivers a long lecture about STDs and their questionable mental health. 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gabriella Laurence 301887 Report post Posted September 27, 2013 For the record, I never claim to be anything other than sub-standard. It's because you weren't the one making the BBFS request ;) lol Those guys will play up anything they can in order to make themselves look desirable: modesty is usually not a quality they possess. We haven't met but I doubt you are "sub-standard" ;) You are respectful with the ladies you contact? You are clean and smell fresh when you show up? You pay the donation in full? You have a great attitude and respect boundaries and restrictions? You don't pull the BBFS card during an appointment? For the most part, that's all a lady really cares about and that makes you, the gentleman, anything but sub-standard! :) But if it was an "read between the lines" type of comment, I'll gladly be your Virtual Dom. :fes::whip: :sadomaso: :stiletto: Gabby xox :makeout: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rubintugger 3323 Report post Posted September 27, 2013 I never understand these guys who shill themselves to an SP declaring huge size, etc. Most SP's I've encountered don't want to be stretched out down there :dncdick:. You want an SP to want you? Tell them you have a tiny dick and come really, really fast.... maybe a brag about tongue prowess... depending on the SP... :icon_cool: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
safetyfirstguy 370 Report post Posted September 27, 2013 This old saying is paramount--No Glove, No Love! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Dog 179138 Report post Posted September 27, 2013 Big Bacon Free Sandwich? BLASPHEMY. A pox upon them. Oh. You meant something else. Ummmm, don't ask for that. Or sandwiches without bacon. Cretins. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoe Zee 13876 Report post Posted September 28, 2013 Really, it's ridiculous. I offer pse and bbbjcim but never bbfs. Lets just educate and get the word out. HIV people! If you don't like condoms, I have female condoms :) If a condom sabotages your hard on then female condom. I have them, lets give it a try!!! I'm excited to try!!! 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Regent 35404 Report post Posted September 28, 2013 Female/internal condoms are fantastic and such a nice alternative to standard condoms. But... I have never been with anyone who has used them before I introduced them, so I suspect most people don't even realize they're an option. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
