This is a recommendation site so why don't some guys recommend?As

[LonelyPerv 3756]

Another thing to keep in mind: some people aren't comfortable writing in any venue. It may be a language barrier, could be dyslexia, could be a fear of writing, could be many different things. My mother gets so nervous even typing a simple email it can take her hours to do so. Does that mean she shouldn't be a member of any online forums?

 

Just because someone doesn't want to sit down and write about their encounter does not mean they didn't enjoy it, it does NOT mean they need a kick in the ass, and it definitely does not mean they don't belong on cerb.

 

First of all, I never said that they don't belong on CERB or any other forum. Please don't try to twist this into anything other than what it is.

 

I have to disagree with most of this and I'm sorry about your mother.

 

If they are on this site, which is what I'm talking about, not the Joes that walk in off the street, then they already know how to read at least. Otherwise, they're just looking at pictures.

 

Their handicap or inability to write something is no excuse. As mentioned below, there's help in that area for whatever problem they have. Just a quick note is all it takes. It doesn't have to be a novel.

 

Everyone also seems to be taking the kick in the ass comment rather strongly. I guess since I use it in my every day chit chat when I hear anything negative, it may be taken out of context here. Hell, my son and dog need a kick in the ass every day. Doesn't mean I'd actually do it. lol

 

Come on people. Lighten up. This thread was originally started because some girls deserve and/or need their recommendations. For whatever reason you may come up with for not giving them one, I seriously can't do anything about that but you already know what I think about excuses. I don't know any of you from a hole in the ground.

 

If you can write, be respectful and write one. If they don't want it, they'll delete it. Simple as that.

[HalifaxMan58 2206]

First of all, I never said that they don't belong on CERB or any other forum. Please don't try to twist this into anything other than what it is.

 

I have to disagree with most of this and I'm sorry about your mother.

 

If they are on this site, which is what I'm talking about, not the Joes that walk in off the street, then they already know how to read at least. Otherwise, they're just looking at pictures.

 

Their handicap or inability to write something is no excuse. As mentioned below, there's help in that area for whatever problem they have. Just a quick note is all it takes. It doesn't have to be a novel.

 

Everyone also seems to be taking the kick in the ass comment rather strongly. I guess since I use it in my every day chit chat when I hear anything negative, it may be taken out of context here. Hell, my son and dog need a kick in the ass every day. Doesn't mean I'd actually do it. lol

 

Come on people. Lighten up. This thread was originally started because some girls deserve and/or need their recommendations. For whatever reason you may come up with for not giving them one, I seriously can't do anything about that but you already know what I think about excuses. I don't know any of you from a hole in the ground.

 

If you can write, be respectful and write one. If they don't want it, they'll delete it. Simple as that.

 

Wouldn't it be quite a complete waste of time for someone to write a recommendation only to have it deleted?

 

I wonder who are these lady's who seem to need these recommendations so badly? Have I been with any of these lady's?

 

In this world you get much more with a more gentle approach!

[Cleo Catra 178382]

If you can write, be respectful and write one. If they don't want it, they'll delete it. Simple as that.

 

We do not have the ability to delete comments from our threads.

 

Don't feel sorry for my mother. She is not to be pitied. I pointed her out as an example that not everyone finds it easy to write things. An inability to write IS an excuse. I think you need to accept that not everyone thinks it's so easy to write something.

 

You don't know everything. Neither do I. So please, stop telling other people what to do. No one likes that - I think the comments in that thread are making that quite clear.

 

You're not doing anything to help these girls right now. Some of my regulars have never written a review for me - and if I'd found out someone gave them shit for that, I would be mortified. Something your SP tells you in private should have been kept in private, not turned into a lecture to other members of this site.

[Mister T 45020]

There is a thread here on the topic as well : http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=143695, started not even 2 months ago. Lots of interesting opinions were already discussed.

[Guest a**4*]

Seeing you are so concerned about writing recommendations for these ladies you should write these recommendations and stop telling others what to do so don't judge others,judge yourself look in the mirror

[cat 262460]

The total membership of my "take 'em to the bank" regulars do not write recos. Ever. I have few recos in over 5 years, I advertise rarely and yet I exist comfortably and with total satisfaction in my business. Reco's are not the be all to end all. They don't add to my business, if anything they discourage the kind of client I like to attract at this point. So really, having lots of recos depends on the provider and the kind of business she's trying to establish. I understand the OP's intention as well meaning but we are all different in our goals and objectives and a guests never has to kiss and tell...

 

cat

[Hector17 9215]

I have to disagree with most of this and I'm sorry about your mother.

 

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I am reading on with this post now only to find out if it can get any more condescending than it is after this comment.

 

This, coming from the same poster who objects to "Trolls" on another post today

[EmilyRushton 253372]

As a photographer, I usually get to chat with the clients and I found a disturbing phenomenon amongst most of them. Guys that don't leave any kind of recommendation for the ladies... even after seeing them several times. They obviously liked what went on in their session or they wouldn't be back... right?

 

I hope some of you lazy ass dudes that read this feel guilty enough to take the time and say something nice about the ladies you have visited. They work very hard to make a living and they deserve big tips and all the recommendations they can get. Who knows, she may even show her appreciation on your next visit.

 

This is a site for the hobbyist so he can be informed. Other MPs/SPs know that most hobbyists see different ladies from time to time so there's no jealousy issues to worry about. There's no acceptable reason why you can't leave one. Don't be a miser. Leave a generous tip and say something nice for once in your life.

 

Okay, rant is over. :-)

 

Just wondering where your recommendations are that you have written?

 

Your lines make you sound like a pimp and not a professional photographer, I shoot with one of the best and at NO time has he EVER asked about my business or reviews, that is just wrong. Your job is too shoot photos not start gossip about some girls whining.

 

Tips and reccos are not expected, however they are appreciated when one does not feel guilted into doing either.

 

Just because people don't wrote anything does not mean they had a good or a bad time, it is their preference not to write anything. Stop judging others until you can judge yourself.

[LonelyPerv 3756]

Nice to see you made your 500th post in this thread alb49. Congratulations.

 

And in case Hector17 thinks this is condescending as well, sorry to disappoint you dude. It's legit :-)

 

As I apologized on the other post, I will do the same here. I had no intentions of making everyone's hair stand on end but it appears I have. At least with the other post I did get some valuable information before it blew up that I can pass on. This one... not so much.

 

I was pounced on right from the beginning so it appears I did offend some people. Again, I'm sorry for that. I only wanted to know how we could try to get some recommendations out there. Nothing more and nothing less.

 

Now this post has turned into a regular 90210 episode which makes this post pretty much useless to anyone.

 

For those that don't get any recos but deserve them and want them, I'm sorry. I tried. As you can see by this thread. The majority don't think they're important or needed. You'll have to find another way.

[Bianca Jaguar 39183]

I like the points made by the other posters, that some men just don't like to post... but I disagree with this one. If you'd like to write a recommendation, by all means post it - whether it's repetitive or not. A good timew is a good time, and we like to get those recos, whether you're writing something similar or not. I do understand the reasons why some men don't write them, but I do think repetition shouldn't be a factor. I don't think it's redundant, instead I think it shows that a provider has continuded to provide good service, so she has continued to receive good reviews :)

 

I totally agree cleo..well said....keep repeating lol!!

[Cleo Catra 178382]

Nice to see you made your 500th post in this thread alb49. Congratulations.

 

And in case Hector17 thinks this is condescending as well, sorry to disappoint you dude. It's legit :-)

 

As I apologized on the other post, I will do the same here. I had no intentions of making everyone's hair stand on end but it appears I have. At least with the other post I did get some valuable information before it blew up that I can pass on. This one... not so much.

 

I was pounced on right from the beginning so it appears I did offend some people. Again, I'm sorry for that. I only wanted to know how we could try to control no shows and trolls. Nothing more and nothing less.

 

Now this post has turned into a regular 90210 episode which makes this post pretty much useless to anyone.

 

For those that don't get any recos but deserve them and want them, I'm sorry. I tried. As you can see by this thread. The majority don't think they're important or needed. You'll have to find another way.

 

 

No one has said they're not important or needed.

 

What most of us are saying is that not everyone wants to write them. And although you think it's 'legit' to disagree with my statement that not everyone is comfortable writing, I will flat out say this: YOU ARE WRONG. Not everyone is comfortable writing. In addition to my mother, two of my siblings have learning disabilities and do not like having to write things. Now that does NOT mean they should be pitied, or that it's 'no excuse' not to write things. You need to be more understanding. Not everyone is comfortable writing things. Why is that so hard to understand?

 

Also: your statement "Their handicap or inability to write something is no excuse. As mentioned below, there's help in that area for whatever problem they have." is both insensitive, uneducated, and well, just plan mean. I'm glad you find it so easy to write things, but not everyone does. And I wouldnt' want them to have to find help somewhere just in order to write an escort recommendation.

 

Rather than listen to anyone saying that not everyone wants to/not everyone CAN write a rec, you're instead saying 'sorry guys, wanted to help, but they're not listening to me!'. You don't seem to be listening to the responses. People have responded in many ways, explaining why they do or do not post, and girls have responded as well. Not everyone agrees that every client should write a rec: why is that so hard to accept?

[roamingguy 300292]

Emily I definitely agree with you. I don't like his know it all attitude. But in fairness to him, he has three recommendations to his credit (I checked ;-) ). But this thread, and his thread on no shows makes me wonder about his true motives in posting, especially in such a strong condescending attitude to the CERB members.

RG

[Guest N***he**Ont**y]

I will always consult before writing a recommendation before posting. Some ladies do not want a recommendation to be posted.

[Gabriella Laurence 301887]

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Guys that don't leave any kind of recommendation for the ladies... even after seeing them several times. They obviously liked what went on in their session or they wouldn't be back... right?

And any lady should be thankful and grateful that the client enjoyed her so much that he went back for more even though she didn't receive a recommendation from him.

 

Repeat business and regular clients are priceless!

 

Most of them come from this site and they know what it's all about. That's why it's called CERB. We come here to read these recommendations and make an informed decision on who we will meet. Some deserving girls don't get the recognition they need because some selfless, lazy-ass dude won't take the time to say something nice.

 

Hummmm, from reading this thread and the other one you started today, why do I have a feeling that, even though your general intentions seem to be good, that you are directly expressing someone else's personal frustration about not receiving as many recos as she would like and because she is experiencing a lot of no-shows?

 

Anyway, back on topic...

 

 

Unfortunately, most establishments have rules so the girls can't even ask for one after a few visits. In my opinion, it should be mandatory. If you met her on this site, and yes, probably based your desition on her recommendations, you should be required to post one.

 

I believe it's a good thing that ladies are not allowed to solicit recommendations, even from a repeat clients: first, it puts the client in an awkward situation (he may or may not want to repeat after that) and plain and simple, it is tacky. If the client wants to write a reco, I am positive he will *without being asked.

 

By not posting, you are insulting the MP/SP or at the very least, making her think she has done nothing right or something wrong. Whatever happened wasn't important enough for you to mention. If that is the case, why do you go back to her?

For newbies reading this thread, please know that not every lady feels that way and you should never feel like you HAVE to write a recommendation. Most will appreciate your repeat business over a recommendation any time.

 

I hope some of you lazy ass dudes that read this feel guilty enough to take the time and say something nice about the ladies you have visited. They work very hard to make a living and they deserve big tips and all the recommendations they can get. Who knows, she may even show her appreciation on your next visit.

 

You call some hobbyists "lazy-ass dudes" because they do not write recos for some deserving ladies? Really? lol

 

Everyone has their own reasons for writing/not writing recommendations and it's no one's place to judge if their reasons are valid or not. Sure, it would be great if many more recommendations were written for the ladies but the fact is that a large majority do not write them and never will.

 

Mandatory recommendations after a few visits if you're a Cerb member? I can't even start to tell you how wrong that would be for all kinds of reasons.

 

And as far as tips are concerned, it has been said before, over and over: tips are always appreciated but never expected and no one should ever feel pressured to leave one.

[MightyPen 67414]

For those that don't get any recos but deserve them and want them, I'm sorry. I tried. As you can see by this thread.

Dude. You've got a remarkable talent for delivering an apology in a way that says "what a shame it is that everyone but me sucks".

[Areez 11906]

And in case Hector17 thinks this is condescending as well, sorry to disappoint you dude. It's legit :-)

 

As I apologized on the other post, I will do the same here. I had no intentions of making everyone's hair stand on end but it appears I have. At least with the other post I did get some valuable information before it blew up that I can pass on. This one... not so much.

 

I was pounced on right from the beginning so it appears I did offend some people. Again, I'm sorry for that. I only wanted to know how we could try to get some recommendations out there. Nothing more and nothing less.

 

Dude. You've got a remarkable talent for delivering an apology in a way that says "what a shame it is that everyone but me sucks".

 

I completely agree with MightyPen:

Plus saying "thinks this is condescending" even your apology sound like you are condescending others. Just slapping in a "sorry" does not* make everything okay.

 

"At least with the other post I did get some valuable information before it blew up that I can pass on. This one... not so much."

 

READ READ READ. There is a LOT of VALUABLE INFORMATION here posted by providers and hobbyist; it just you have to take off your blinders and see it on broader view.

 

blind·er:

1. blinders A pair of leather flaps attached to a horse's bridle to curtail side vision. Also called blinkers.

2. Something that serves to obscure clear perception and discernment.

[Henchman 562]

When I came to cerb I logged on registered and made mistake after mistake, one being asking a couple of clients to leave me a reco if they liked my service. I felt pressured to need them and that having them would make me a more respected provider. I never read the cerb rules, nor did I know the etiquette. I've since learned and in time have realized that a lot of men read and rely on recos yet just as many if not more don't and prefer not to write them also having them doesn't mean anyone is better or worse than anyone else. I have enough repeat clients now to give me the assurance that I provide a great service so I no longer feel the pressure of needing them or even wanting them. Everyone is different and even though cerb is a reco board its also offers providers and hobbyists a whole lot more:)

 

 

Very well said my dear.

[sandimoon 72517]

For those that don't get any recos but deserve them and want them, I'm sorry. I tried. As you can see by this thread. The majority don't think they're important or needed. You'll have to find another way.

 

Perhaps I missed the Cerb memo where the ladies

needed someone to come to their rescue & you were elected

saviour of the downtrodden, but dude, enough already.

Because personally, as a smart articulate woman who can fully advocate for herself,

I find your attitude & posts incredibly patronizing.

That said, I have a whole other issue to address.

I've heard from several sources, especially the successful ones, that they are experiencing a lot of No Shows and Trolls of late. Why is this happening and what can we respectable guys do about it?

 

These MPs/SPs work very hard to market their skills and make preparations to meet clients. When someone just doesn't show up for their appointment, these girls loose valuable time and money as they could have scheduled someone else in if they had some kind of warning.

 

Everyone knows that things can happen that require a cancellation but why on earth would you not let the girl know you can't make it. You'd call your Doctor, Dentist, and even your Mom so why not them. Even if you only had a 20 minute notice yourself.

 

Some of these girls may have even turned down some other clients that could have replaced you at a moments notice. A quick call from her to one of them, could possibly save her that session time if the client is only a few minutes away.

 

You are disrespecting our MPs/SPs and not giving them the level of attention that you will with other professionals. You cancel a cab at the last minute because you don't want him to show up at your door and you don't come out. Understandably, the cabby will be upset so how do you think your MP/SP will feel while she waits patiently for your arrival and you don't show up.

 

I have never had a last minute cancellation for any photo shoots but if I ever get one, I'm pretty sure my client would give me a heads up as soon as they know they can't make it. Why are these hard working girls treated any differently.

 

Some of the girls believe that most of these no shows are just trolls. Usually fake profiles set up to make appointments just so they don't show up. So why are these so popular with a successful MP/SP?

 

I believe they are created by certain recruiting establishments that want this successful girl to go work for them. They feel if she looses enough money from no show clients, she'll move on. Hopefully she'll accept their earlier offer this time.

 

Some believe these trolls are other competitors, perhaps even working in the same establishment. They're trying to make them want to get a different job because all their clients keep canceling and they make no money. They may just want to make them look unorganized and unsuccessful so the establishment boss will fire them.

 

If anyone has any ideas how these MPs/Sps can avoid these no shows and trolls more effectively, please post it here. The regular communication options like PMs, text, and e-mail don't seem to be working. There should be some kind of fall back system so the girls can report these no shows and trolls so they can be instantly banned. Possibly even an IP collecting database so these Trolls can be tracked down later.

 

I don't know. Just a thought I guess.

 

This entire post makes me uncomfortable for reasons that

have nothing to do with it's tone.

Firstly, it reeks of a fishing expedition on how to run an

agency & I feel reads like an SP or Agency/Spa discussing an Escort Industry problem.

Because why does a photographer need to know the ins & outs of how to reduce the number of no shows?

Any chance you can enlighten us all on how you remain so successful Monique? How do you avoid these no shows and trolls?

Again, why is this so important to you?

Okay, I can clearly see this is roast Thumper day. lol

Respectfully, if you ask questions here, you will get answers.

Whether or not you like them is immaterial.

This is a public forum with strong opinions from intelligent people.

No one is trying to be mean, they are simply being honest & sharing their thoughts.

That was a legitimate question in which I received a very informative answer from a few people. I will gladly pass it on.

 

I apologize if I seem to have ruffled a few feathers today. That was not my intention. It appears the anger displayed in the other post is now rolling off into this one. Stories are getting twisted, things are being taken out of context, and both these posts have been massacred and rendered useless.

If you have something informative,

why not post it here if it is so awesome?

But just because folks disagree with you does not mean that

anyone is twisting stories, taking things out of context or that your

posts are considered useless.

I find them incredibly useful for my main bone of contention:

your lack of discretion in implying that professional secert keepers

are sharing info with you, followed by YOU cryptically sharing it here.

I have 2 photographers that are also friends.

They know my real name, address, phone number & personal details of my life.

If I were to read a post such as this from either of them,

I would be beyond incensed.

And they would no longer be trusted.

They would, however, be in every SP only area in which I participate

as a warning to other ladies not to engage their services.

You may wish to consider this when you read again how you

have spoken out of school in reference to your clients.

And since you feel that the reco is of such paramount

importance that it MUST be written, know this, also, please:

by alluding to the fact that SPs are talking to you,

complaining, whatever, you are, without proof,

quietly & perhaps irrevocably, casting aspersions

as to the character & discretion of ladies you have seen.

This alone may cost them more in terms of clients,

money & reputation than any reco or lack thereof.

Again, I apologize to all those that think I'm picking on someone in particular. I'm only looking for answers. Obviously, I'm not going to find them here.

 

In my mind, a sincere apology is rarely followed by a comment like this.

The fact of the matter is: you got a lot of answers.

Also a fact: you just don't like any of them.

Fact: not a Cerb problem.

Also fact: seems it's only yours.

Sandi

Sorry I posted in the wrong thread.

I reposted in the correct one but will also leave this here.

It applies to both, I feel.

Thanks.

S

[canuckhooker 19203]

I will say it here, flat out. Based on your random, out of the blue, posts today the OP is either a troll, or someone who has a complete conflict of interest.

 

You advertise yourself as a photographer, and I will be careful in what I say here, but it seems you have clients for your service who are in turn providers on this forum. I may be wrong on that belief, but based on how you started this thread I doubt it. So do you not think it is a little self-serving and in complete conflict that you are advocating for those individuals on this board?

 

It doesn't pass the smell test in my book.

[mod 135640]

Lets keep the site positive and inviting to everyone. Please and thanks,

 

And photographers who wish to announce they are photographers on cerb (advertising) they must have a paid account. I froze 4 photographer accounts today.