No Shows and Trolls

[LonelyPerv 3756]

I've heard from several sources, especially the successful ones, that they are experiencing a lot of No Shows and Trolls of late. Why is this happening and what can we respectable guys do about it?

 

These MPs/SPs work very hard to market their skills and make preparations to meet clients. When someone just doesn't show up for their appointment, these girls loose valuable time and money as they could have scheduled someone else in if they had some kind of warning.

 

Everyone knows that things can happen that require a cancellation but why on earth would you not let the girl know you can't make it. You'd call your Doctor, Dentist, and even your Mom so why not them. Even if you only had a 20 minute notice yourself.

 

Some of these girls may have even turned down some other clients that could have replaced you at a moments notice. A quick call from her to one of them, could possibly save her that session time if the client is only a few minutes away.

 

You are disrespecting our MPs/SPs and not giving them the level of attention that you will with other professionals. You cancel a cab at the last minute because you don't want him to show up at your door and you don't come out. Understandably, the cabby will be upset so how do you think your MP/SP will feel while she waits patiently for your arrival and you don't show up.

 

I have never had a last minute cancellation for any photo shoots but if I ever get one, I'm pretty sure my client would give me a heads up as soon as they know they can't make it. Why are these hard working girls treated any differently.

 

Some of the girls believe that most of these no shows are just trolls. Usually fake profiles set up to make appointments just so they don't show up. So why are these so popular with a successful MP/SP?

 

I believe they are created by certain recruiting establishments that want this successful girl to go work for them. They feel if she looses enough money from no show clients, she'll move on. Hopefully she'll accept their earlier offer this time.

 

Some believe these trolls are other competitors, perhaps even working in the same establishment. They're trying to make them want to get a different job because all their clients keep canceling and they make no money. They may just want to make them look unorganized and unsuccessful so the establishment boss will fire them.

 

If anyone has any ideas how these MPs/Sps can avoid these no shows and trolls more effectively, please post it here. The regular communication options like PMs, text, and e-mail don't seem to be working. There should be some kind of fall back system so the girls can report these no shows and trolls so they can be instantly banned. Possibly even an IP collecting database so these Trolls can be tracked down later.

 

I don't know. Just a thought I guess.

[zorobaby 4121]

kinda shitty to say, but i believe it will have to go to a deposit situation if you want to almost guarantee an appointment. something like 30-50% of the fee upfront at time of booking then the rest in person.

 

its sad that it may actually come to this. remember being about to leave the gas station without paying so you could go home and get your wallet? guess its a bit different but almost the same

[Cute0aza0Button 21399]

kinda shitty to say, but i believe it will have to go to a deposit situation if you want to almost guarantee an appointment. something like 30-50% of the fee upfront at time of booking then the rest in person.

 

its sad that it may actually come to this. remember being about to leave the gas station without paying so you could go home and get your wallet? guess its a bit different but almost the same

 

 

I've thought of this myself. I have had a lot of no shows and it grates on my nerves. It isnt fair to anyone - I lose my time, anyone else who sees me that day gets me in a less than stellar mood and the next new guy who wants to see me is met with suspicion.

 

I feel uncomfortable asking for a deposit and I won't do it unless I feel the need but I think youre right in the fact that it is a way to make sure people show up

[roamingguy 300292]

What can we gentlemen do. Continue to be gentlemen, and show and not troll. And if we have to cancel provide ample notice, or compensate her if a last minute cancellation. And through posts educate those no shows/trollers.

Ladies can always employ methods (screening/verification, deposits)

Ladies deserve to be treated like ladies, meaning with respect. And no shows are disrespectful

RG

[Monique Matheson 2615]

I can say I have maybe 1 no show per year, at most. I think its completely avoidable.

[Cleo Catra 178382]

I get no-shows... but I don't screen my appts the way some girls do. If you take the time to ask for references, and set up appointments with minimum 24-hour notice... I doubt you'll get no-shows. If you take last-minute calls with no references, you're opening yourself up to no-shows. I like being able to accept short-notice bookings, and I'm willing to accept that because of my lack of screening/references, no-shows are going to happen.

 

I agree with Monique, it's completely avoidable, if the lady takes the time to screen.

[LonelyPerv 3756]

I can say I have maybe 1 no show per year, at most. I think its completely avoidable.

 

Any chance you can enlighten us all on how you remain so successful Monique? How do you avoid these no shows and trolls?

[Monique Matheson 2615]

I say "no thank you" to many potential appointments. If I dont enjoy the way the email is written such as lack of introduction, lack of effort ,etc. also if someone has an issue with my request for phone number, reference etc. I will decline and I dont take same day appointments or telephone bookings. I trust my instincts and if someone sounds off or iffy to me I simply say "take care and good bye". I haven't had a no show this year, maybe one in 2012. It works

[FunValerie 8573]

I screen my clients and personally speak to every person I book. It takes more effort to screen potential clients but it resolves the no show issue. It is a trade off - more screening time leads to much less time waiting for no shows. Every SP needs to decide for herself - either you spend time screening potential clients or you spend time waiting for no shows.

[Sweet Emily J 172062]

Cleo & Monique are exactly right.

 

I haven't had a no-show since 2012, and even then I only had 2 when I first started working independently because I was learning how to screen & book, and still figuring stuff out. It took some trial and error to perfect my processes and now everything is all gravy.

 

We see these threads all the time and if something's not working for a lady and she is having lots of problems, she should consider taking a look at the way she is operating and make some changes, if necessary. Everything can always be improved!

 

And I'm with Monique about being selective about my guests. I think that's why I still love this job so much. Quality over quantity! :)

[loneskater 25635]

Any chance you can enlighten us all on how you remain so successful Monique? How do you avoid these no shows and trolls?

 

Many of us on this board don't do no shows So Thanks but we don't need enlightening. The way you are wording your comments you make it sound like we are all guilty of doing no shows and I am sure I may not be the only one finding this insulting!!!

[LonelyPerv 3756]

Okay, I can clearly see this is roast Thumper day. lol

 

That was a legitimate question in which I received a very informative answer from a few people. I will gladly pass it on.

 

I apologize if I seem to have ruffled a few feathers today. That was not my intention. It appears the anger displayed in the other post is now rolling off into this one. Stories are getting twisted, things are being taken out of context, and both these posts have been massacred and rendered useless.

 

Again, I apologize to all those that think I'm picking on someone in particular. I'm only looking for answers. Obviously, I'm not going to find them here.

[MightyPen 67414]

Again, I apologize to all those that think I'm picking on someone in particular. I'm only looking for answers. Obviously, I'm not going to find them here.

Close, and good on ya for apologizing. I'd only point out that your final conclusion is off the mark. It's not that you won't find those answer "here", it's that you won't find them "this way".

 

"Here" is actually a pretty awesome, thoughtful and informative place. So here's to tomorrow being a better Thumper day! ;)

[Goombata72 1556]

I travel a lot and when I do look for a sp I try to tell them upfront that I can't book in advance because most times I get stuck on the road or in meeting that run late. I understand that if the sp is not able to meet within a couple of hour notice that is ok and it is my own fault for not booking. I hate to waste her time. I try to find ones that can accommodate my requests and hope that it works out. I have in the past booked and have had work change my travel plans on the same day. Since that has happen more then once I no longer book a sp lady in advance.

[WriteOn 3250]

I apologize if I seem to have ruffled a few feathers today. That was not my intention.

 

 

I think it was your intention, looks like you were looking for some attention today and you got it.

 

Congrats?

[sandimoon 72517]

For those that don't get any recos but deserve them and want them, I'm sorry. I tried. As you can see by this thread. The majority don't think they're important or needed. You'll have to find another way.

 

Perhaps I missed the Cerb memo where the ladies

needed someone to come to their rescue & you were elected

saviour of the downtrodden, but dude, enough already.

Because personally, as a smart articulate woman who can fully advocate for herself,

I find your attitude & posts incredibly patronizing.

That said, I have a whole other issue to address.

I've heard from several sources, especially the successful ones, that they are experiencing a lot of No Shows and Trolls of late. Why is this happening and what can we respectable guys do about it?

 

These MPs/SPs work very hard to market their skills and make preparations to meet clients. When someone just doesn't show up for their appointment, these girls loose valuable time and money as they could have scheduled someone else in if they had some kind of warning.

 

Everyone knows that things can happen that require a cancellation but why on earth would you not let the girl know you can't make it. You'd call your Doctor, Dentist, and even your Mom so why not them. Even if you only had a 20 minute notice yourself.

 

Some of these girls may have even turned down some other clients that could have replaced you at a moments notice. A quick call from her to one of them, could possibly save her that session time if the client is only a few minutes away.

 

You are disrespecting our MPs/SPs and not giving them the level of attention that you will with other professionals. You cancel a cab at the last minute because you don't want him to show up at your door and you don't come out. Understandably, the cabby will be upset so how do you think your MP/SP will feel while she waits patiently for your arrival and you don't show up.

 

I have never had a last minute cancellation for any photo shoots but if I ever get one, I'm pretty sure my client would give me a heads up as soon as they know they can't make it. Why are these hard working girls treated any differently.

 

Some of the girls believe that most of these no shows are just trolls. Usually fake profiles set up to make appointments just so they don't show up. So why are these so popular with a successful MP/SP?

 

I believe they are created by certain recruiting establishments that want this successful girl to go work for them. They feel if she looses enough money from no show clients, she'll move on. Hopefully she'll accept their earlier offer this time.

 

Some believe these trolls are other competitors, perhaps even working in the same establishment. They're trying to make them want to get a different job because all their clients keep canceling and they make no money. They may just want to make them look unorganized and unsuccessful so the establishment boss will fire them.

 

If anyone has any ideas how these MPs/Sps can avoid these no shows and trolls more effectively, please post it here. The regular communication options like PMs, text, and e-mail don't seem to be working. There should be some kind of fall back system so the girls can report these no shows and trolls so they can be instantly banned. Possibly even an IP collecting database so these Trolls can be tracked down later.

 

I don't know. Just a thought I guess.

 

This entire post makes me uncomfortable for reasons that

have nothing to do with it's tone.

Firstly, it reeks of a fishing expedition on how to run an

agency & I feel reads like an SP or Agency/Spa discussing an Escort Industry problem.

Because why does a photographer need to know the ins & outs of how to reduce the number of no shows?

Any chance you can enlighten us all on how you remain so successful Monique? How do you avoid these no shows and trolls?

Again, why is this so important to you?

Okay, I can clearly see this is roast Thumper day. lol

Respectfully, if you ask questions here, you will get answers.

Whether or not you like them is immaterial.

This is a public forum with strong opinions from intelligent people.

No one is trying to be mean, they are simply being honest & sharing their thoughts.

That was a legitimate question in which I received a very informative answer from a few people. I will gladly pass it on.

 

I apologize if I seem to have ruffled a few feathers today. That was not my intention. It appears the anger displayed in the other post is now rolling off into this one. Stories are getting twisted, things are being taken out of context, and both these posts have been massacred and rendered useless.

If you have something informative,

why not post it here if it is so awesome?

But just because folks disagree with you does not mean that

anyone is twisting stories, taking things out of context or that your

posts are considered useless.

I find them incredibly useful for my main bone of contention:

your lack of discretion in implying that professional secert keepers

are sharing info with you, followed by YOU cryptically sharing it here.

I have 2 photographers that are also friends.

They know my real name, address, phone number & personal details of my life.

If I were to read a post such as this from either of them,

I would be beyond incensed.

And they would no longer be trusted.

They would, however, be in every SP only area in which I participate

as a warning to other ladies not to engage their services.

You may wish to consider this when you read again how you

have spoken out of school in reference to your clients.

And since you feel that the reco is of such paramount

importance that it MUST be written, know this, also, please:

by alluding to the fact that SPs are talking to you,

complaining, whatever, you are, without proof,

quietly & perhaps irrevocably, casting aspersions

as to the character & discretion of ladies you have seen.

This alone may cost them more in terms of clients,

money & reputation than any reco or lack thereof.

Again, I apologize to all those that think I'm picking on someone in particular. I'm only looking for answers. Obviously, I'm not going to find them here.

 

In my mind, a sincere apology is rarely followed by a comment like this.

The fact of the matter is: you got a lot of answers.

Also a fact: you just don't like any of them.

Fact: not a Cerb problem.

Also fact: seems it's only yours.

Sandi

[Fresh start 17467]

This is just my 2 sense, as a clients perspective, we cannot control the action of other but we can control ourself, so it's up to one self to be a gentleman and respect the ladies time. The ladies must do what they feel fit, if they chose to require a deposit it's their choice. If they screen or don't it totally their choice. The only thing we can do is be gentleman and respect their methods and perhaps after a few encounters with the same lady she may not ask for a deposit. Its sad to say and sometimes hard but these days trust must be earned and not given out freely. Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me.

 

Additional Comments:

Hey perhaps we can get a female version of cowboy Kenny and post numbers to avoid. Hmmm cowgirls sounds sexy:) lol

[Guest realnicehat]

Hey perhaps we can get a female version of cowboy Kenny and post numbers to avoid. Hmmm cowgirls sounds sexy:) lol

 

they've got that in the ladies only section. I don't think they wear hats though.

[Guest webothscore]

Cowgirls with hats are sexy!

[mooophil 181]

Cowgirls with hats are sexy!

 

Cleo Catra looks great in a cowboy hat....

 

And nothing else :-D

[Phaedrus 209521]

I'm only looking for answers.

 

I think the question a lot of people are asking is: on whose behalf are you looking?

 

Obviously, I'm not going to find them here.

 

No, probably not.

 

But she might, if she asks the questions herself.

[SexxxyRebecca 57989]

Unfortunately, even it been discuss a lot in the past, no-show will always exist.. Like other ladies said.. the best way is try to avoid them by screening, etc...

 

Anyway, I think I prefer to dont see somebody who dont have respect for my time and is not able to inform that he cant come for whatever reason.. A quick.. Hey sorry, I can't come doesnt cost much. If you dont have respect for my time..

So you dont have respect for me? Not interest to meet you!

 

I had a no-show from a cerb member tonight. It piss me off, yes but at the end.. Its his lost, not mine. I had a great gentlemen who book me instead of him and he just ruin his reputation... Too bad!!

[fortunateone 156618]

What can we gentlemen do. Continue to be gentlemen, and show and not troll. And if we have to cancel provide ample notice, or compensate her if a last minute cancellation. And through posts educate those no shows/trollers.

Ladies can always employ methods (screening/verification, deposits)

Ladies deserve to be treated like ladies, meaning with respect. And no shows are disrespectful

RG

 

 

 

This is all good, imo.

 

Another thing eventually will be if the good clients can help support the reference idea, if/when it starts to take off in Canada (outside of the provinces it is currently being useful). Clients who provide references rarely no show, they have put more on the line than the guy who is fake booking. Fake bookers can't or won't be able to provide references, so they will have a harder time making fake bookings.

 

I'm not a reference person, but I support the idea. I am fortunate that I am able to put in a booking policy that reduces the impact of fake bookings. No one gets a confirmed appointment more than a half hour of the ETA, preferably less than that. once that time has come and gone, only 30-40 minutes has passed, and other appointments scheduled around that ETA can be bumped up, or called for an earlier start time, if they want it.

 

Someone who needs more time or is out of pocket to provide the location is probably going to have to move to a reference system for new clients.