Time-Wasting Opinions!

[Wolf Knight 29667]

I'm not new to this but I recently was given the opportunity to ponder on all my interactions with Companions and in particular evaluate if I might be considered a time waster. No potential good client would ever want to be considered a time waster by a lady or the SP community in general. So I thought that I'd post this thread to get some perspectives and opinions on how a client should behave/interact to ensure that someone doesn't get labeled a time waster.

 

I'll start with one of my thoughts. When a new client contacts an SP I think that he should generally use the "three message rule". The first couple of times a client contacts a lady are acceptable to gather information or ask respectful questions but by the third time he should be ready to book a firm appointment. If he's not ready to book after three then he should not contact that lady again until he is ready to firmly book. This is just my thought but people can feel free to enlighten me if there are other opinions.

 

 

Another aspect is interactions between Clients and SP's who have seen each other previously. I know that it might be a subjective area depending on the lady but I'd like to get some thoughts on what's deemed an appropriate level of contact in between appointments in that case.

• Three message rule again (start as though from scratch)?
  
• Only contact the lady when you're ready to firmly book again?
  
• Periodic (brief) hello's, just thought of you type messages?
  
• Frequent friendly chatter?
  
• Please provide any other thoughts :)
  

Please contribute your opinions to provide some guidance to newbies or veterans to help make everyone's life, especially the ladies better.

 

Cheers

[CristyCurves 169032]

This is just my perspective so for what it's worth;)

The only rules I EXPECT from all clients are to respect my guidelines/boundaries, those are usually discussed in our first email/conversation, be polite and clean:) Anything beyond that is subjective and relative to chemistry. With some gents I may interact and enjoy a lot of messages before and after meeting, others a few, and so on. I'm pretty laid back, not terribly structured, more go with the flow. Or that's what I'm learning I'm better at:) I would suspect every lady is going to react and expect different things, messages and ways of communicating, from each gentlemen, but perhaps I shouldn't speculate. Hope this helps.

[Guest realnicehat]

I really think there is a lot of common sense involved from a clients perspective.

 

With a provider you haven't met I think it is ok to ask as many questions as you need to in order to feel comfortable booking her. It would seem logical to put all your concerns in one message so that she may answer them in one go but I don't think one should be afraid to ask if other questions come up. This is assuming you are actually asking these questions with the honest intent of booking and not just "tire-kicking" seven different providers to see who gives you the best answer.

 

I have also found it acceptable to send a "thinking of you" message once in a while as well. Most ladies are quite happy to hear from their clients.

 

I think where newbies get themselves in trouble is that they often don't realize how busy the ladies are, both in their private and professional lives. I regularly see posts along the lines of "she didn't answer my email, what do I do?". While we have grown accustomed to instant responses to texts/calls/emails in many facets of our lives it is often not possible for a provider instantly so some patience is required.

 

To me it is not the number of messages but the intent behind them and the ability to wait for a response rather than flood their inbox with "did you get my message" messages.

[Wolf Knight 29667]

I would suspect every lady is going to react and expect different things, messages and ways of communicating, from each gentlemen, but perhaps I shouldn't speculate. Hope this helps.

 

Cristy, yeah you're probably right. It's likely not a numbers thing and the interaction will likely be as individual as the people having it. Some ladies with some clients or potential clients might choose to engage in a variety of back and forth scenarios as long as it appeared that things were moving in the direction of a date.

 

Also, Realnicehat had a good point that struck to the "intent" of the communications with the lady. If the intent is genuine with the ultimate purpose honestly being that the client intends to see the lady then perhaps it's not a factor of numbers either.

 

Thanks for the contributions.

[IsaMassage 54318]

In my Opinion ... every scenario is different...

by email I think the 3 message rule is a good one.. First email to gather as much info as you can from the lady, concerning services, rates, restrictions, and any other important information to be given.., Second one is to clarify any doubts or things that were not cleared in a second communication... third yes you should be ready to book..

Off course depending on how the conversation has develop there can be exceptions and variations...

When it comes to texting being a quick method.. it can take a little more than 3 messages... but please if you start a conversation PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU CAN CONTINUE... One thing that is most anoying is someone that starts a conversation and take long time in between messages... We are not just sitting down answering messages..., sometimes we are in between appointments and if you take long to reply we may not be able to reply with all the answers that you need...

Phone conversation... now in this one I usually know by the tone of voice, and the type of questions asked... Be presice and direct you will get the right answers.. DO NOT start saying... Oh You look Hot in your Pics.. Your Breast are beautiful... Can I do this with them.. or qould you do this to me... really????

 

BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT RULE IS BE RESPECTFUL AT ALL TIMES.. no matter if it is email text or Voice call... RESPECT IS THE MAJOR RULE WHEN STARTING A CONVERSATION!

 

Now when it comes to a repeat client, things are easier..

I dont mind the odd Hi just to keep in touch even if it is not to book and appointment... Is nice to know someone is thinking about you... but DO NOT PLEASE atart doing it EVERY DAY, ALL DAY... That is not correct! We have lives aside from our job... I do not need a GOOD MORNING A HOW IS YOUR DAY GOING? I AM THINKING ABOUT YOU.!! COME AND HAVE A BEER WITH ME!!! LETS GO HAVE LUNCH! i WISH I WAS UNDER YOU RIGHT NOW... GOOD NIGTH.... EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK!!!!

[WriteOn 3250]

Making rules takes some of the fun out the whole experience.

 

I'm sure there are many times when an SP gets frustrated when communicating with clients and would love for them to follow rules but I don't follow any type of procedure when contacting ladies other then trying to be polite and respectful.

[Meaghan McLeod 179664]

I don't book far in advanced, and generally take same day bookings. So, if you reply 3 weeks in advance, and then every day send me texts, I will probably be rolling my eyes upwards.

 

I enjoy the pm's saying hi, hope you are having a great day. Even, a pm, telling me what is happening, I enjoy that too.

 

However, if after you and I have set a date/time, please don't send me a thousand text messages saying "what I want you to wear, do, etc". Tell me that when we set up our appointment. If I am trying to get ready to see you, I can't keep answering your text messages. It actually drives me bonkers when this happens. I have been late for appointments because someone decides to bombard me with these text messages while I am getting ready. Do you know how hard it is to put on mascara while reading text messages?

 

For me, short and sweet works great!

 

I consider a tire kicker as someone who repeatedly asks "rates, services, restrictions (or something similar)" over and over again (some are every day, others are every couple of weeks), but never actually book.

 

Make sure you have reviewed her profile, website etc, before asking questions that are already answered on her site.

[messyjessy56 100]

your very right

[Guest webothscore]

I would say I am close to the three rule give or take a message. I don't like to send two in a row unless there is a response inbetween. There was only one I wrote that was long with some details and I felt that I could confide some playful comments, as did the SP with her long well written response. Having said that, I later read one of her posts that she likes her PMs structured a certain way for initiation, and haven't heard back, but I still respect and appreciate her very much. In general, most of my PMs sent and receieved have been playful and easy going. I do however plant the seed a touch early and I admit that, but it's not as if I stamp in stone my wish to see the MP/SP. I ask just a handful of questions to get to know, etc and then I lay back until I am ready.

[zorobaby 4121]

i try not to be a time waster, i work long unpredictable hours. sometimes when i am talking to a woman and go to set a date, my available time gets eaten by work, whether it be snowing or other circumstances, sometimes i dont follow through with the messages ive relayed.

 

i always try to let to woman i am speaking with know what i do and how unpredictable my schedule is, which is why its hard for me to plan in advance a date since i seem to have the luck that it snows on my play dates lol

[VictoriaJolie 64127]

I hates to bring it this way but..Do you bring this topic because yo feel you may have burned few chances with so ladies or just curious

Personally?

I am a person of a short words when booking app..As Genevieve. I am French and sometime a lot of communication can lead to Wierd discussion plus when you tour you somehow expect serious guys to not be lazy read your ads and website and mostly know the answer to their questions

Anyone can be polite and do not respect how to follow instructions or ask questions that all been answered I. Ads and website...It doesn't mean saying please and thank you.That it may not be annoying. And consider a waste of time

If a lady travel in 6 or 7 cities you have to X the amount of ext,emails,Pms she will get to actuall get a serious person that will book an app

 

I strongly believe that men should know if they are available or not and serious about getting an app before their inquiries

 

Why sending and email inquiring if you won't be available ?

At the end ...it should be simple.

 

If someone desire to engage in a mind game..I am not the sp for them

VJ

[Guest *Ste***cque**]

It's a fine line that some can cross without realizing it, just by trying to build a rapport with the SP. If I recall from your past posts you like to build a rapport with an SP and I don't see anything wasteful in that, as long as you eventually book in a timely manner.

 

Nothing wrong with letting them adapt to you though. It's a business after all and they should recognize the "GFE" factor might start for some hobbyists before the actual date with a playful email or two. That doesn't seem like much to expect from a "girlfriend" ;). They can always choose to ignore the messages and most hobbyists should get the hint at some point.

 

If someone came straight out and called me a time waster though, I would simply say "thanks for the insight" in such a way that they wondered if I was referring to them or to myself, and then I would look elsewhere.

[cat 262460]

It really does depend on the provider. I am an email person, I send an introduction which is a small book if you're on a handheld but it contains just about everything you need to know plus links for other information. I prefer a gentleman spend a minute and send a reply with a bit of detail about himself, what he's looking for and any other questions. I will exchange emails after an appointment is booked as my time permits if the flow of communication is engaging. I have cancelled appointments because the emails presented red flags that weren't displayed during the initial booking emails so it can help with my screening. Inquiries that continue to ask questions already answered in prior communications are deemed Askholes and written off.

 

Guests who insist on over communicating between appointments are at times annoying simply because of time constraints on my end. If I see someone 4 times a year but receive emails weekly, then it's disproportional to the relationship we have but I have several who have more than earned the privilege of daily communication and it's something I enjoy and look forward to. The better the client, the more time I'm willing to invest answering the comm's.

 

In my books, a WOT is an actual time waster. Booking an appointment then rescheduling, moving the time, cancelling and rebooking etc. These are Wafflemeisters in my books. Move an appointment more than once and I raise an eyebrow. The next time I put a yellow flag on it, one more then I'm out. Wafflemeisters are second cousins to Twatwaffles from the far reaches of the Ozarks and not people I need to entertain. Ever.

 

Be aware of the relationship you have with your provider and that will guide you in the communication style she prefers. If you haven't met her yet, then keep it simple and concise...

 

cat

[Sensual Erin 33928]

I think it's human nature to send a few inquires and gather information without booking. I have had several pm's from members that say they would like to see me, but have not gotten around to it yet for their own reasons. I'm ok with a quick hello even though an appointment is not booked. I do my best to keep track of messages from members I have not met yet or others that it's been awhile with. However, I do so at my own pace as it's on personal time. Much like the retail market, window shopping happens everywhere and all we can do is our best to respond in a timely fashion, regardless of the outcome. I don't think anyone should expect to have a pen pal in this hobby unless it's rewarding to both involved.

[roamingguy 300292]

I pretty much know even before I contact the lady that I would like to meet her. Pretty much three things do that for me. First is her postings on CERB. Second is her CERB profile and third is her website. So when I contact her I know I want to meet her (and btw this has worked for me)

My initial email is to introduce myself, tell a bit about myself, provide verification/screening information and so forth

I also do this well in advance. Just as there are touring ladies, I'm a touring gentleman (have to be, I live in smalltown Ontario). That requires me to plan encounters well in advance, to free up a weekend, book a hotel and so on. I don't have the luxury of living in a big city and just drive across town at the drop of a hat.

But my initial email is primarily to give the lady a chance to verify/screen me and be ok with seeing me. Subsequent emails are to nail down a specific day/date. I don't use the initial email as a chance to become a email pen pal with a lady

A rambling for whatever it's worth

RG

[Guest]

It usually takes three emails to book a session and let me explain why.

 

Booking Emails

 

Email/pm. 1.

 

This is usually the introduction email/pm. The gentleman gives some background information about himself. This is a good email to put your likes and dislikes. This is a great email for gentlemen to describe what their expectations about the session are. This is a great email/pm to ask questions in and or make requests in. If the gentleman is really serious about booking he may give the day and time he's interested right in this email/pm.

 

Note: In my first response if the gentleman hasn't requested a day and time he's interested in; I ask for this information. I also ask for any contact information I may need to book an appointment.

 

Email/pm. 2.

 

If the gentleman wants to continue booking and feels happy with the arrangement. This email is the one where I usually get the day and time the gentleman is interested in I also get any contact information I need to book an appointment.

 

Email/pm. 3.

 

This is the email that ties up all the loose ends and is usually done by me. I'm usually sending this email to confirm that I have set aside the day and time the gentleman was asking for.

 

Note: Most gentlemen want to make me happy and are more than willing to give me the information I need, when I ask for it. Most gentlemen are respectful of my time and understand that I'm busy.

 

Sentimental Emails

 

All other emails I consider friendly sentiments. I also have had gentlemen emailing me/pming me saying that they are interested in seeing me, they give some information about themselves and they say they will book at another time. Or it's from regulars saying hello and ask how I'm doing. I am more than happy responding to these emails and I usually only get one or two of these emails. I don't consider this a waste of time at all.

 

Emails/pms are a great way to get in contact with someone and stay in contact with someone. We all just have to respect each other.

 

Instructions on websites

 

Any instructions on websites or ads are there as a helpful guide. The escort knows what works for her and what doesn't. Anything she has posted will hopefully help clients, so they can have an easier time booking.

[roamingguy 300292]

I think that is a perfectly reasonable question.

 

Some ladies do not have a permanent incall and will get an incall as required. They even mention it in their ads:"I will be having incalls on Thursday".

 

I think you are misreading Gegefatale's post or misunderstand the difference between incall vs outcall. A hotel outcall (not incall) means the date is at the man's hotel room. Why would or should a lady book a hotel room for the guy.

Now if going to a city where I don't know the hotels I may ask a lady about suggested hotels in the city (more so because I don't want a dive) but I book my own hotel

RG

[Miss S. Lane 67128]

I am one of those SP's who truly believes in building a rapport between client and SP. It adds to the experience for me, as well as for the client. However, I have my limitations.

 

When a new client I've never seen before wants to email or text back and forth for weeks on end with no intention to book, I tell him to stop contacting me. I don't have TIME to be chatting my time away for free.

 

With a client I've seen before, I rather enjoy keeping in touch. I like hearing how they are, and getting the occasional hello. However, again there are limits. When communication starts to invade my personal time, when communication and actions therein start to invade my personal life, when communications suggest that I engage in things that are inappropriate or when communication, after 5 months, becomes obvious that there is NO intent to book again, with lots of mixed messages and dishonesty confirmed by my colleagues, then yes. You are a time waster. Period.

 

I have always said... When clients are respectful of MY time, I will be glad to look after them. Respect is earned, not a given. Trust, once lost, is difficult to recover and for most SP's, not worth the headache.

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

To be honest, I do not like emails and do not have it lasted as a method of contact. I'm alo not a fan of the back and forth banter or the long winded messages. I don't have time for this and am someone who likes to get straight to the point with as much info as possible. I am someone who has a presence on this site and figure they should know me well enough and have read my ads to gain some sort of insight as to who I am as a provider.

 

I expect that when a person PMs me, they are ready to book or close to it. I look for their questions to be geared towards my services as an SP and not those that are considered playful or not a serious inquiry. I am also open to addressing and anwering questions especially from gents who are new to this and need to know a few more things yet I can read between the lines when I know it's not going anywhere in a PM.

 

While I am aware and appreciate those who follow me on this site, I am not here to seek out personal friendships. I am here to establish a friendly business relationship between myself and my clients and it is a respected one. I am very good at what I do but I also don`t think that just because I am an SP and a member of this site, that it`s a free for all for having others take advantage of my kindness. That`s where I draw the line.

 

Im not interested in members who want to create some sort of "Romeo" type online personna who sends PMs to every SP wanting to meet`only to follow through with failed promises and gets caught up in his own ego stroking to the ladies that he actually tends to forget what is he doing and how it makes him look. Those SPs who do take time to cultivate relaitonships with male members here do not appreciate having their time wasted with empty promises. Being on the this site and communicating with others here can take up a good portion of an SP`s time and it`s the cost of doing business. However, being here has its advantages so one can only hope that the time spent here does work out for her in the end to some degree.

 

If you're going to contact an SP, do so with good intentions. And not contact a dozen other SPs at the same time with promises to meet and not follow through or get them in the chat room to try and have them become your own personal 1-900 sex operator at any given moment. No one appreciates taking the time to speak with someone who could be a potential client and then having their time wasted or be taken advantage of. We all know why we are here so lets call a spade a spade. I`m not someone who is considered all business and I definitely enjoy what I do but I also don`t work for free either.

 

Having said all that, I appreciate all my customers and feel appreciated when they end me a "Hello" type message once in a while or a "Thank-you" message but I just can't get involved in the endless back and forth conversation. It's just not who I am and I'd rather be honest than grin and bear this sort of thing. People know me for saying it like it is and I think I did just that.lol. I hope people can understand that.

[EmilyRushton 253372]

 

As far as this specific example Gegefatale, where do you

address on your website that the client must obtain the Hotel room for an encounter?

 

To be blunt, and sorry for butting in however - if you the gentleman want an OUTCALL (an outcall means I come to YOU, not YOU come to ME) then you must provide the location as how else is it going to be an outcall to a hotel? If I was asked this question over and over, I too would not be impressed, and even if it was listed on any of our websites, the gentlemen who need to read that tidbit of info - rarely if ever do. Please do not take this as an attack WriteOn, as that was not my intention.

[WriteOn 3250]

To be blunt, and sorry for butting in however - if you the gentleman want an OUTCALL (an outcall means I come to YOU, not YOU come to ME) then you must provide the location as how else is it going to be an outcall to a hotel? If I was asked this question over and over, I too would not be impressed, and even if it was listed on any of our websites, the gentlemen who need to read that tidbit of info - rarely if ever do. Please do not take this as an attack WriteOn, as that was not my intention.

 

 

I will just say this. If I were to introduce you to a person who was a professional and you didn't have any experience in his or her field I bet you would ask questions that he or she had been asked before and sounded stupid to them. What seems like common sense to someone who has been in the business for years is not common sense to some nervous guy looking to book an encounter.

Again I can understand how annoying it would be answering the same questions over and over, I'm just trying to give a different perspective.

[roamingguy 300292]

I have to agree. Some guys in the beginning, and I speak from experience, are very nervous and what seems like stupid questions if you've heard them over and over are not stupid to the person asking. Sometimes you don't know how to get things started in an email conversation, what offends 1 lady doesn't offend another.

 

I certainly understand how receiving the same question many times over can be annoying but one thing to consider is the person asking may not have the experience in the business that you do.

 

As far as this specific example Gegefatale, where do you

address on your website that the client must obtain the Hotel room for an encounter?

 

Well looking at Gegefatale's website under her FAQ, the very first question would indicate she does outcalls.

http://www.genevieveofottawa.com/faq.html

but she even goes further and provides prospective clients a list of preferred hotels

http://www.genevieveofottawa.com/address-book.html

RG

[Genevieve Marceau 68000]

I have to agree. Some guys in the beginning, and I speak from experience, are very nervous and what seems like stupid questions if you've heard them over and over are not stupid to the person asking. Sometimes you don't know how to get things started in an email conversation, what offends 1 lady doesn't offend another.

 

I certainly understand how receiving the same question many times over can be annoying but one thing to consider is the person asking may not have the experience in the business that you do.

 

As far as this specific example Gegefatale, where do you

address on your website that the client must obtain the Hotel room for an encounter?

 

Just re-read post #19 by Roamingguy. I could have not word it better.

 

 

As for my website, it is clearly written. Again, just read.

[WriteOn 3250]

As for my website, it is clearly written. Again, just read.

 

 

Your website does not state who books the room. I do read, maybe my comprehension level isn't what yours is but I do read.

 

I'm not going in circles defending my position like I did in a previous thread.

 

I will just state for the final time, if you're an inexperienced person in this business, everything that seems logical and common sense to you may not to the inexperienced person.

 

That's all I'm saying, I'm not trying to be rude or disrespectful.

[roamingguy 300292]

Your website does not state who books the room. I do read, maybe my comprehension level isn't what yours is but I do read.

 

I'm not going in circles defending my position like I did in a previous thread.

 

I will just state for the final time, if you're an inexperienced person in this business, everything that seems logical and common sense to you may not to the inexperienced person.

 

That's all I'm saying, I'm not trying to be rude or disrespectful.

 

You couldn't have read the FAQ's at all

Here is the appropriate line from the first question with the appropriate word highlighted for you

"I love to meet a gentleman in the comfort of his suite in an upscale hotel"

If it is his suite in an upscale hotel who do you think books the hotel room. If the lady booked the suite it would be her hotel room

Or do you think a lady should use her credit card to reserve a client a room?

RG