JACTION86 100 Report post Posted October 14, 2013 Hello Everyone, I met up with a nice lady tonight at a hotel. She is independent. I had communicated to meet up with her through txt messaging. I had to wait in the lobby of the hotel for her to get ready and she then texted me to come up. All went well but when I was leaving the hotel three police cars showed up just as I was leaving in my cab...I am terrified now that they may have showed up there for me or something...Is what I did illegal?...Is txting illegal with an escort before you go see them? God I am scared right now! Thanks, JACTION86 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mod 135639 Report post Posted October 14, 2013 How do you know the police were at the hotel for her? Sounds paranoid as a lot of things could bring the police to a hotel. My understanding is that the supreme court of canada ruled that sms (text messaging) is "private" and the "communication for the purpose of prostitution in a public place" law would not apply to a text message as it is not a "public place" and considered a private discussion between two parties. Here is a link to the scc judgement (http://scc.lexum.org/decisia-scc-csc/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/12936/index.do) I however am not a lawyer so if you have concearns I would suggest talking to one. Now... What could be done is this... 1) the police get a warrent for her text messages 2) this would be evidence of her using the same location with multiple clients and therefore the location could be considered a common bawdy house This however is a bit of a stretch. A previous complaint or something bigger may be going on. 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JACTION86 100 Report post Posted October 14, 2013 Okay well I do not know why they were there actually. I am not sure if it was for her or not...I am very scared though as I have seen a police car in the parking lot of my building at home now a few times since I have been home. They have not come into my building though...Can anything bad happen to me from this?..Can i be arrested and sent to jail...I am terrified! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mod 135639 Report post Posted October 14, 2013 I cant answer that as i don't know exactly how everything went down but prostitution is legal in canada and as far as i know you need to be caught inside a brothel to be charged for being in a common bawdy house. You need to communicate or solicit i a public place to be charged with communication or solicitation and as long as the doors were closed, windows shut and she was of legal age you should be fine on all those issues as well. Have you read the criminal code laws? 210-213 criminal code of canada 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MightyPen 67414 Report post Posted October 14, 2013 Can anything bad happen to me from this?..Can i be arrested and sent to jail...I am terrified! STOP. :) Relax and take a breath. Nothing is happening, and the cops are not setting up an elaborate surveillance upon you. Your brief tryst was a big deal for you, but the rest of the world didn't notice because it is really quite busy doing other, entirely unrelated things. Did you have a good time with during your appointment? Yes? Great. Let that memory be the thing you take from it. Now take a moment to observe your slight case of paranoia-induced fear, laugh at it quietly for a moment, then throw it away, and move on. ;) And happy Thanksgiving! 20 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest realnicehat Report post Posted October 14, 2013 MightyPen is right, you have nothing to worry about. Just stop and think it through logically. Even if a direct complaint was made about the provider you saw, the hotel would more than likely handle it discretely by having security quietly ask her to leave. The last thing they would want is to make a scene. While it is rarely acknowledged, hotels make a hell of a lot of money from this industry. They are not about to fuck that up. If, for whatever reason, they did have to evict this lady and if she refused, forcing them to call the police, three cars seems excessive. You're imagination is simply getting the best of you. Stop peeking out your windows and relax. You just had sex :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclo 30131 Report post Posted October 14, 2013 (edited) Hello Everyone, I met up with a nice lady tonight at a hotel. She is independent. I had communicated to meet up with her through txt messaging. I had to wait in the lobby of the hotel for her to get ready and she then texted me to come up. All went well but when I was leaving the hotel three police cars showed up just as I was leaving in my cab...I am terrified now that they may have showed up there for me or something...Is what I did illegal?...Is txting illegal with an escort before you go see them? God I am scared right now! Thanks, JACTION86 Relax. You appear to have a case of first time jitters. The police have absolutely no interest in you or who you're having sex with. They have much more important work to do. Remember prostitution is legal in Canada. Furthermore, all that happened in the hotel lobby was that a woman texted you and said she was still getting ready. That's an innocent conversation that happens a few thousand times a day between couples across the country :-)... and then she invited you up to her room when she was ready. No problem. Not even close to the definition of public solicitation. While public solicitation is a prostitution related offence, private communication is not. When you originally set up the appointment by text, you were engaging in private communication. Texting or e-mailing someone, while discussing price, is private communication, regardless of where it takes place. You were not publicly discussing, offering, signalling, or negotiating compensation (financial or otherwise) in a public place (street, park, car, bar, hotel lobby etc). A simple way to think of public solicitation is that it is a "nuisance" law to ensure that prostitution activity occurs "out of sight... out of mind". (There are all sorts of safety issues that this raises and the recent Supreme Court hearing is considering these.) It prevents men from soliciting any and all women that walk past them on the street for example. It also prevents extra traffic in neighbourhood strolls. Seeing an escort at their incall location (e. g. hotel or residence) can be considered a prostitution related offence (being found in a common bawdy house). However, as with all indoor prostitution, if the sp and her clients are not doing anything else inappropriate to draw attention to themselves, the risk of any police action being taken is extremely low. The hotel would more than likely deal with it directly and confidentially themselves rather than calling the police. They don't want a bunch of police marching through their lobby, disturbing the atmosphere they have carefully created, unless something very serious is occurring. A couple having sex in a hotel room... As long as you're discrete, the hotel doesn't care, and the police care even less. Whether you're married to each other, common law, lovers, having an affair, a one night hook up, or a client and an sp getting together, it's all just sex between consenting adults. Edited October 14, 2013 by cyclo Clarify that "common bawdy house" and being "found in" are prostitution related offences. 8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xxxAxxx 21016 Report post Posted October 14, 2013 If the police had been there for you, let's say it's that very-low chance of the SP being accused of "bawdy house" stuff....well, I doubt very much you'd be here posting about it. Instead you'd probably be at John school. And unlike everyone else in this thread, I am not telling you what you did was legal, cuz it isn't. INCALLS ARE ILLEGAL! (The cops just don't bother, that's all). But, yes, texting is not considered a "public place" so I (and other SPs) have every right to solicit whoever we want this way. On a side note, I am shocked at the number of cerb members who get into this hobby not knowing a thing about prostitution laws. I mean, before cerb was understandable, but with all the material present on this site it seems rather ridiculous. (sorry to hijack) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest realnicehat Report post Posted October 14, 2013 If the police had been there for you, let's say it's that very-low chance of the SP being accused of "bawdy house" stuff....well, I doubt very much you'd be here posting about it. Instead you'd probably be at John school. And unlike everyone else in this thread, I am not telling you what you did was legal, cuz it isn't. INCALLS ARE ILLEGAL! (The cops just don't bother, that's all). But, yes, texting is not considered a "public place" so I (and other SPs) have every right to solicit whoever we want this way. On a side note, I am shocked at the number of cerb members who get into this hobby not knowing a thing about prostitution laws. I mean, before cerb was understandable, but with all the material present on this site it seems rather ridiculous. (sorry to hijack) To be fair, not one person in this thread told him that what he was doing was legal. Some stated that prostitution is legal and that his texting would not be considered communicating in a public place. It was also said that most likely, in order for him to be charged he would need to be "found in" a common bawdy house thus implying that incalls are illegal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xxxAxxx 21016 Report post Posted October 14, 2013 (edited) a few of the posts before mine tell him he has nothing to worry about since "prostitution is legal" .... which is true in the case of his texting, not so much in the fact that he visited a lady at her incall location. Additional Comments: reply to the comment made on this post: Regardless of his texting being perfectly OK, I thought someone who is paranoid already may appreciate knowing that incalls are illegal. Edited October 15, 2013 by xXxAxXx 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclo 30131 Report post Posted October 14, 2013 (edited) INCALLS ARE ILLEGAL! (The cops just don't bother, that's all). I agree with your comment and didn't intend to imply otherwise with my response. My intention was to only focus on the op's question about communication. Thanks for the clarification ;-) To ensure I haven't contributed to any confusion, I've amended my post (#7) to clarify that a hotel incall can be considered a "common bawdy house" which is a prostitution related offence. In addition a client being "found in" a common bawdy is committing a prostitution related offence. The likelihood of charges being laid for either offence are extremely low if the escort and her clients behave discretely. Edited October 14, 2013 by cyclo 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JACTION86 100 Report post Posted October 14, 2013 Okay so I looked at the laws surrounding this that apply to us guys. ''2) what is legal and illegal for guys Don't solicit sex in public (Street Walkers) and don't get caught in a common bawdy house (especially with your pants down!) '' So since I was communicating with her through text that is not illegal. Also the police never entered the hotel room while I was there...So I should be fine then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Athos 108589 Report post Posted October 14, 2013 The police could, I suppose, treat her using the hotel room as a bawdy house. As others have said, however, in general the police have bigger fish to fry. However, for the client I believe the offence is being "found in" a common bawdy house ... not "having once been to" a bawdy house. For the OP, therefore, I suspect that if they didn't bust in while you were with the lady, then you have nothing to worry about, since you were not "found in" the location. Relax, maybe there is someone operating an incall in your building, or more likely the police have found it a convenient spot to have a nap at night after enjoying a donut. Porthos 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fortunateone 156618 Report post Posted October 14, 2013 The police could, I suppose, treat her using the hotel room as a bawdy house. As others have said, however, in general the police have bigger fish to fry. However, for the client I believe the offence is being "found in" a common bawdy house ... not "having once been to" a bawdy house. For the OP, therefore, I suspect that if they didn't bust in while you were with the lady, then you have nothing to worry about, since you were not "found in" the location. Relax, maybe there is someone operating an incall in your building, or more likely the police have found it a convenient spot to have a nap at night after enjoying a donut. Porthos yes, clients would have to be inside the incall location, whether a hotel room, sp apartment or massage parlour room, for it to be considered a chargeable offense. And even then I don't think the clients suffer for that as much as the sp does (loss of income, embarrassment, out of pocket expenses, having to move locations, etc). From what I can see in many LE investigations of bawdy house locations they are looking more for anyone 'living off the avails" in some way, or trafficking, underage sps, coerced sps, etc. And keep in mind, about LE, these are guys who seem to be incapable of reading ads on bp or elsewhere and finding incalls that are mini brothels set up in houses and apartments and staffed by illegal sex workers (as in sps in the country on student or tourist visas that do not allow them to work in any capacity). I have a hard time believing they are capable of knowing who the OP texted, that he went to see an sp, engaged in the legal activity of prostitution, and then followed him home even though all they really needed to do to find out where he lived was look up his license # and stay in the relative comfort of their cars in the hotel parking lot. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JACTION86 100 Report post Posted October 15, 2013 yes, clients would have to be inside the incall location, whether a hotel room, sp apartment or massage parlour room, for it to be considered a chargeable offense. And even then I don't think the clients suffer for that as much as the sp does (loss of income, embarrassment, out of pocket expenses, having to move locations, etc). From what I can see in many LE investigations of bawdy house locations they are looking more for anyone 'living off the avails" in some way, or trafficking, underage sps, coerced sps, etc. And keep in mind, about LE, these are guys who seem to be incapable of reading ads on bp or elsewhere and finding incalls that are mini brothels set up in houses and apartments and staffed by illegal sex workers (as in sps in the country on student or tourist visas that do not allow them to work in any capacity). I have a hard time believing they are capable of knowing who the OP texted, that he went to see an sp, engaged in the legal activity of prostitution, and then followed him home even though all they really needed to do to find out where he lived was look up his license # and stay in the relative comfort of their cars in the hotel parking lot. But from what I can see here there is nothing I can get in trouble for here so I am not worried anymore. Thanks for the help everyone! :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qwertyaccount 15793 Report post Posted October 16, 2013 ...I have seen a police car in the parking lot of my building at home now a few times since I have been home. They have not come into my building though...Can anything bad happen to me from this?.. Police regularly park in the parking lots of buildings or behind plazas, the more unobservable from the street all the better -- they do this so they can catch up on their paperwork, chat on the phone or have a nap. They've regularly been in your parking lot since the building was built, you've just never noticed them before. Just like they didn't notice you leaving the hotel. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cinelli 22184 Report post Posted October 19, 2013 three police cars showed up just as I was leaving in my cab.. Do you REALLY think three police cars would show up just because someone texted something about a possible encounter? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lexxiexoxo 100 Report post Posted April 2, 2014 It's not illegel,your were just texting her. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Juice 2105 Report post Posted April 4, 2014 The original post reminds me about a time I came out of a bawdy house, got into my car, and suddenly there were cop cars and lights flashing everywhere! They stopped me and said roll down the window, Boy was I nervous. They just wanted to know if I had been drinking. We had a pleasant chat and I drove off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
