Crack house bill debated

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Crack house bill debated

 

Last Updated: Thursday, November 26, 2009 | 8:19 AM ET Comments12Recommend13

 

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The Ontario legislature is debating a private member's bill designed to help shut down crack houses and brothels.

The proposed safer communities and neighbourhood act lowers the burden of proof required for the courts to act against drug dealing or running a brothel.

Neighbours would be able to give anonymous testimony, and if a judge is persuaded that a property is most likely being used for crime, the occupants could be evicted. A judge would also be able close a property for up to 90 days or evict individual tenants

"Innocent people are being targeted by those who are engaged in illicit drug trade and ? the sole purpose behind this legislation is to ensure that we protect the vulnerable," said the author of the bill, Liberal Yasir Naqvi.

The bill passed second reading in October, and is now being considered by a legislative committee.

Cheri DiNovo, the NDP member for Toronto's Parkdale-High Park riding, is vowing to stop the bill, which she says violates tenants' rights and unfairly targets the most vulnerable.

'Criminals don't target rich neighbourhoods'

 

But Naqvi, who represents the Ottawa Centre riding, disagrees, saying the bill protects the disadvantaged.

"Criminals don't target rich neighbourhoods, they operate in poor neighbourhoods, and those poor people also have the right to live in a safe and healthy community and that's what this legislation is trying to do," he said.

Patricia Gora lives on a street with a reputed crack house in DiNovo's Parkdale riding.

"If there's a supposed crack house here and those people are found and they're thrown out of their homes, well, where will they go next?" she said.

Else-Marie Knudsen, a spokeswoman for the John Howard Society of Toronto, a group that advocates for the rights of those in trouble with the law, dismisses the bill as being ineffective at preventing crime.

"The crime is simply displaced. It moves on to another street, another neighbourhood, another community, for someone else to deal with," she said.

Newfoundland and Labrador, Nova Scotia, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta already have similar laws. Supporters of the bill in Manitoba have credited it with cleaning up parts of Winnipeg.

[Susie 1472]

this explains alot.....fuckin exclusionist bull shit. they will use tthis to mess with people in all kinds of ways.

[YoungStud 468]

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Opposition+filibuster+scuttles+bill+targeting+high+crime+residences/2267303/story.html

[buggernot 588]

Woo-hoo! I can still get my crack!

[thompo69 198]

So, we should be happy that crack houses can continue to thrive?

[CourtesanCassandra 167]

So, we should be happy that crack houses can continue to thrive?

 

I think the lumping in of brothels with crack houses is what is irritating. It seems to fortify the stigma of drug problems attached to sex trade workers.

[Annessa 22743]

I think the lumping in of brothels with crack houses is what is irritating. It seems to fortify the stigma of drug problems attached to sex trade workers.

 

I would have to agree, separating the two as two separate projects for questioning even would have to be implemented. I'm no supporter of crack houses, but they shouldn't be in the same category of brothels and should be approached separately. Just my opinion.

 

I feel similar in the case that claimed because of a stabbing in the parking lot of a massage parlor that those places were havens for illegal and troublesome behavior...yet blind eyes are turned everyday to nightclubs that have numerous shootings and stabbings outside from their patrons

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I feel similar in the case that claimed because of a stabbing in the parking lot of a massage parlor that those places were havens for illegal and troublesome behavior...yet blind eyes are turned everyday to nightclubs that have numerous shootings and stabbings outside from their patrons

 

Based on the number of reported (and unreported) assaults I recommend this particular institution be closed down.....the public high school heh!

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So, we should be happy that crack houses can continue to thrive?

 

No but there are better ways to deal with it than poorly crafted legislation like this. First of all anonymous testimony while well intentioned (protect witnesses) is a bad idea generally that is open to all kinds of abuse and mischief.

 

Secondly the issue of crack houses and drug related crime is not an easy problem. Simple minded "solutions" like this promise a quick fix but never deliver. Police will always be one step behind the dealers and users when it comes to something as addictive as crack. Resources need to be devoted to both enforcement and recovery.

 

The mere existence of a problem like this always challenges our system and the wrong choice is always to throw out centuries worth or jurisprudence (right to face accusers, the crown must prove its case, etc etc).

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The Ontario legislature is debating a private member's bill designed to help shut down crack houses and brothels.

 

The proposed safer communities and neighbourhood act lowers the burden of proof required for the courts to act against drug dealing or running a brothel.

 

Neighbours would be able to give anonymous testimony, and if a judge is persuaded that a property is most likely being used for crime, the occupants could be evicted. A judge would also be able close a property for up to 90 days.

 

"Innocent people are being targeted by those who are engaged in illicit drug trade and ? the sole purpose behind this legislation is to ensure that we protect the vulnerable," said the author of the bill, Liberal Yasir Naqvi.

 

The bill passed second reading in October, and is now being considered by a legislative committee.

 

Cheri DiNovo, the NDP member for Toronto's Parkdale-High Park riding, is vowing to stop the bill, which she says violates tenants' rights and unfairly targets the most vulnerable.

'Criminals don't target rich neighbourhoods'

 

But Naqvi, who represents the Ottawa Centre riding, disagrees, saying the bill protects the disadvantaged.

 

"Criminals don't target rich neighbourhoods, they operate in poor neighbourhoods, and those poor people also have the right to live in a safe and healthy community and that's what this legislation is trying to do," he said.

 

Patricia Gora lives on a street with a reputed crack house in DiNovo's Parkdale riding.

 

"If there's a supposed crack house here and those people are found and they're thrown out of their homes, well, where will they go next?" she said.

 

Else-Marie Knudsen, a spokeswoman for the John Howard Society of Toronto, a group that advocates for the rights of those in trouble with the law, dismisses the bill as being ineffective at preventing crime.

 

"The crime is simply displaced. It moves on to another street, another neighbourhood, another community, for someone else to deal with," she said.

 

Newfoundland and Labrador, Nova Scotia, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta already have similar laws. Supporters of the bill in Manitoba have credited it with cleaning up parts of Winnipeg.

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I merged them all into one thread.

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They are lumping brothels and crack houses together to create a bill because it will sway peoples views to be against brothels.

They are clearly 2 different things.

But with the charter challenge, and so many Canadians supporting pro-decrim of prostitution, this bill will allow the gov't to harass and bust indoor workplaces/brothels.