MA vs SP

[fortunateone 156618]

I am confused. Does this mean a GFEMA can offer bbbj, cbj and fs? Wouldn't that make her an escort and not a massage attendant. Maybe I am misunderstanding something in the post and, if I am, I apologize if I have offended any GFEMAs.

 

 

 

it is interesting because out west, one goes to a massage parlour for the massage plus everything from hj, bj to FS. In fact I think some places get cranky if there is only going to be a hj (less tip for the attendant). So at the same time, it is unlikely anyone doing massage plus hj, if that is all that they provide, does this with anything GFE. Topless and minimal touching would be the norm in an MA experience here.

 

And that is the point, that the clients seeking massage only services are not looking for more, they don't want GFE, they don't want kissing for sure, they don't want a bj. Sometimes it is because that is their moral line in the sand if they have an SO, sometimes it is a fluid exchange fear, and sometimes it is health issues that led to an inability to do FS anyway, and sometimes it is a cost issue, because a basic massage and hj session (as i mention) is going to be less than a FS session.

 

I provide both types of sessions, and a few sps out here do that as well. They do massage start, like the massage parlours, and endings are as requested. I have a $20 difference between a half hour massage rate and a half hour FS rate, so it isn't about the money, and it isn't that they choose the less expensive one but would like the FS option, it is because they don't want FS.

 

Simple as that.

 

About 10% maybe less of my massage only clients will switch it up from time to time and choose FS or a bj finish. Sometimes, but it is that rare. Some start with massage sessions when they first come to see me, then switch after a few visits.

 

Something FS clients find hard to believe is the fact that massage only clients exist, that anyone would choose to not have FS when FS is an option. The only way to prove to them that clients do choose that is by talking to providers who do offer both. (someone mentioned the bias that may appear when SP or MA's reply to this topic lol, but I am here to say I provide both, distinct and different pricing and different ending options, and a large percentage of my clients, even with only a 20 dollar difference, still choose massage only with hj finish).

 

And still there are a lot of providers whose idea of different options for clients to drum up more business is to provide the same thing (FS or bjs) at a lower price for less time, instead of providing a different and unique thing (massage and hj for a longer time at the same rates). Oh, well, more for me. :) Nothing more fun that slippery massage and a happy slippery ending.

[ab-cerb 130]

Well just my $.02 without disputing various points expressed here, but trying to address the initial question on "MA vs SP":

 

After all it boils down to what you are looking for:

(a) the experience per se (roughly put: "Sensual stimulation ending with HJ vs Sexual action ending with FS") no matter who personally your partner is, or

(b) intimacy with a lady of your fancy (even if the time span of your fancy is less than 60 min).

 

If it is about how you achieve orgasm and how much you pay for it then people tend to value one thing or another: if you like it to take more time and be more torturous - then MA has edge; if you value sign "Hit the Target, Mission Accomplished" then go for FS. Money-wise there is essentially an overlap, the $ difference is around 10-15% of the total bill, or in other words - less than a parking ticket in our beautiful National Capital.

 

However: if you are looking for a woman to share the intimacy with then it is less about manual release or FS, and more about what works better for two of you. I personally had both miserable FS and heavenly MA; all things considered I would prefer FS, but found that I am actually more concerned about finding the lady I am happy with and can keep dreaming about, less important what exactly she does with me. Even if this search is damn uneasy - still the reward is well worth spending the time and effort :)

[whiteman 14028]

Ok. Thanks for the clarification. Maybe I misunderstood the difference between MA and SP/escort. I has assumed SP/escort was sexual services as mentioned and MA was massage without the services mentioned...I guess I was wrong and maybe a little naive but, as pointed out earlier, I don't have a great deal of MA varietal experience.

Yes, FS and BBBJ have been a standard option from MA's for a long time, especially from the independent variety, so it's not a new development. However, what is new is the recent openness of providers to admit to it.

 

I think the recent challenges to the laws, and their subsequent striking down within the Ontario courts, has made it easier for this openness to begin, at least in Ontario. Until the case is seen by the SCC, it'll still be a little difficult for providers outside of Ontario to be as open about it. Once it's seen by the SCC (and assuming it's successfully struck down), then it applies to the country as a whole!

 

Personally, for the last several years, I have preferred seeing MA's over SP's, mainly because I find an experience with an MA is more organic, while an experience with an SP seems more business-like. Clients who see SP's seem to come with a list of demands, and they expect it to be all provided if they offer to pay more for it. Clients of MA's aren't necessarily looking for a set of specific services that they want checked off of a list, and often they may not even get everything.

[IsaMassage 54318]

I am surprised at some of this answers... i am an MA and I became and MA exactly because I do not have to Offer BJ or FS to the gentlenen... As Robin Pointed it earlier

.. Independent ladies have their own place where they can offer what ever they want... But ladies working out of a spa... this would make the spa a brothel which are clearly illegal even with the new laws...

 

O often get contacted by gentlemen that are seeking extra services.. the answer is: " No I am not an escort. I offer Massage Services, if you are looking doe that type of service make sure you look at the right section" Ladies working out of a massage parlour and offering this services as standard are destroying real MAs reputation and business.. and also SPs business because they are not even charging enough making it cheaper. .. what a shame! Not only they are endangering themselves. , but the spa they work at., co-workers and the gentlemen that visit not just them but the other ladies.

 

Going back to the OPs Original question....MAs and S Ps we are different. There is no one better than the other one! We both offer different experiences both great! And the only real way for him to find out ia not by reading it., is by actually trying it! Only then he can decide what his preference is!

[TiffanyXXX000 21415]

I have been following this thread from the start and really it almost seems like and out right war.

 

The main difference between SP Services and MA services are that EXTRAS ARE NOT ON THE MENU WITH AN MA.

 

You are paying over all for time spent with a LADY, she will tease and tempt you in the way decided by the nature of her business Title.

 

Myself, I chose to be an MA because I am more sensual and don't like to think that I need to force an appointment with a predetermined check list of activities that NEED to happen for my client to be happy and feel like they had the best experience. I prefer a natural organic sensual time spent with a gentleman that treats me like a lady and respects the rules of an MA working in a Massage Parlour.

As it has been stated many times that Ladies working Indy have more freedom to blur the lines between what an MA can offer, but that is not everyone's cup of tea.

IMHO if you want an organic sensual experience than an MA may be the option, and if your looking for a Check List of specific services then an SP is more on the mark for what your looking for.

Cost may be a bit different from SP to MA but ultimately your paying for time spent with a Lady and how she makes you feel.... should that price tag change based on services???? That is a question that only you can decide for yourself.

 

And to Clarify GFE MA is a Feeling NOT A LIST OF SERVICES!!!!!

It is a connection that you feel like you know the girl and that she genuinely takes your feeling and desires and acts on them.

 

I am PROUD to call myself a GFE MA, but not at the expense of Gentlemen seeking my services thinking that they will get more mileage because I state I offer a GFE experience.

 

My take at least

Kisses All

XoX

[Bianca Jaguar 39183]

I just wanted to ad my 2 cent here...I don't really like the way this thread has turned...as you can find sensuality in both MA and SP experience...nuff said!For the OP...like a lot have said...do your research and take the plunge!BJ xxx

[ElanRacer 2613]

In my thinking, these discussions are what makes CERB a great resource. The discussion has varied a bit from the OP question, and I'm glad it has developed along the way. All parties (MA, SP, Clients) have given their perspectives. Albeit it may be a small portion of the industry and client population. In my experience, questioning a cost vs. value of a 'service', experience, etc. will result in 100 different answers from 100 different people. As with 'beauty', it's value is totally subjective in the eyes of the beholder.

 

Are tips/donations/requests/whatever reasonable? You have all the information to make that decision for yourself. The answer is the same as; What is it worth to you? Personally, a 30 min hot tub session, talking with a kind, caring and interesting woman is a steal where I've experienced it. I've tried other places which asked/offered more and less, I'm happy with who, how and where I spent time to relax. If I feel the cost does not justify the experience, then I will exercise my right to not repeat. And I read recommendations, posts and message providers,etc to make an informed and safe decision on where to spend my time.

 

MA vs. SP? All are uniquely amazing people if you take the time to get to know them. And YMMV is a principle that always applies to everyone. The MA,SP,Hobbyist designation does not give anyone the 'right' or a reason to demand a service or experience from another person! (whether they call themselves MA, SP, Indy, Hobbyist, etc) they are a person, NOT A PRODUCT!

 

my 5 cents, since pennies are out of circulation now.

ElanRacer

[Robynxoxo 10509]

There IS an existing market for both MA's and SP's ! :)

 

I gleefully respect both and those who optimistically seek them.

 

Cheers to diversity! And cheers to keeping it rosey!

[Taylor, Olivia Devine 16934]

Just wanted to add my 2 cents, as i have been an MA for approx. 3 years now and a former independent SP I of course respect both professions equally.

 

I feel that MA & SP are different in their own sensual and amazing ways.

 

Both can be seductive and thrilling experiences ! I however for my own reasons; prefer the MA world only because I love the whole build up and sensuality of the massage, the connection between my client and I and the seductiveness of the whole experience.

 

This is what i seek, and enjoy it thoroughly !

 

Both are wonderful worlds to explore ! Variety is the spice of life!

[luvtopoon 170]

I want to thank all that have contributed to this thread and want you to know that today I spent some time with Vitto (rec to follow) and have experienced a wonderful session that will remain in my memory for a long time. I now understand the difference between the two and also understand it boils down to what an individual really wants. As for me I really appreciate a more sensual experience and have obtained this with a beautiful MA so now I can say I am "converted"!!

[WriteOn 3250]

I want to thank all that have contributed to this thread and want you to know that today I spent some time with Vitto (rec to follow) and have experienced a wonderful session that will remain in my memory for a long time. I now understand the difference between the two and also understand it boils down to what an individual really wants. As for me I really appreciate a more sensual experience and have obtained this with a beautiful MA so now I can say I am "converted"!!

 

To say that one experience with an MA has "converted" you is really naive of you to say. You can't have a similar erotic experience with an SP?

 

Of course you can. It doesn't matter the lady, the acronyms she advertises or doesn't advertise, it's all about chemistry.

 

Don't get hung up on acronyms, they mean nothing.

[waterat 20911]

I don't think there is any naivity in finding the erotic appeal provided by a MA.... possibly it is simply an excellent example of having one's eyes opened.... so to speak.

[LeeRichards 177238]

I want to thank all that have contributed to this thread and want you to know that today I spent some time with Vitto (rec to follow) and have experienced a wonderful session that will remain in my memory for a long time. I now understand the difference between the two and also understand it boils down to what an individual really wants. As for me I really appreciate a more sensual experience and have obtained this with a beautiful MA so now I can say I am "converted"!!

 

Glad you had a great time :) Not naïve but new to this !!! You just set foot in to an amazing world ! Enjoy the ride luvtopoon.

[Guest realnicehat]

Hmm, seems like I'm a little late to the party but what the hell.

 

I'd always been an SP guy but a couple of years ago a very reputable MP came to town so I thought I'd give it a try. What followed was one of the most sensual experiences I'd had to date. It was passionate, erotic and amazingly satisfying even with a manual finish. I left feeling like I was on top of the world.

 

Recently I had the opportunity to spend some time with a visiting SP. This meeting was also filled with the same level of passion and eroticism but allowed for more sexual activity. Things flowed naturally, there was no checklist, and by the end I was filled with that same satisfaction.

 

Why am I comparing these two particular appointments? Well, the MP was a lovely woman named Amelia while the SP was our own Kathryn Bardot. Those who have been around cerb for a while will know that they are one and the same.

 

My point is simply that it is not the service you choose so much as the lady and your connection to her that creates the perfect escape.

 

Should Kathryn decide to give up her SP status and return to being Amelia would I continue to see her even though certain activities were no longer available? In a heartbeat.

[IsaMassage 54318]

To say that one experience with an MA has "converted" you is really naive of you to say. You can't have a similar erotic experience with an SP?

 

Of course you can. It doesn't matter the lady, the acronyms she advertises or doesn't advertise, it's all about chemistry.

 

Don't get hung up on acronyms, they mean nothing.

 

I agree with waterat on this.. I am pretty sure that what luvtopoon means here is that now he understands the opinions already given by most people on this thread... about both experiences different and yet amazing in their ow n way... means that he now understand why gentlemen visit MAs... clearly he had a reason previous to his visit he was reluctant and doubtful to meet an MA and what the experience brought to the table.

[Frank Ricard 223]

Like some of the other posters, for me its entirely about the chemistry and not about checking off boxes.

 

In other words, a "low mileage" encounter can be extremely erotic with the right person, and conversely a PSE can be forgettable if those involved arent a good "fit".

 

I'm not very active in the lifestyle, but when I do book something it is based on attraction, personality and reputation...and not because x,y,x is offered.

[someguy 67067]

Thanks to PassionVitto, she has made you seen the light :)

You are now a convert. You see why GFE MA with the right girl is so much fun and sensual.

It's an hour of pure pleasure :)

Vitto is a great kisser :)

[Guest c**io**m7]

Thanks to PassionVitto, she has made you seen the light :)

You are now a convert. You see why GFE MA with the right girl is so much fun and sensual.

It's an hour of pure pleasure :)

Vitto is a great kisser :)

 

 

Truer words have not been spoken. Her kisses alone are worth the price of admission.

[Guest D***el B***e]

I've seen both MAs and SPs but I'm mostly a MA guy. I love the build-up and sensuality of the MA experience versus the mechanical experience of SPs (my humble opinion).

 

However, if you see the same MA or the same SP, say many, many times in 2 months, or even more times in a year, you get used to each other, and if you happen to have a good emotional connection ... then things get blurred I think ... you may end up getting a better experience either way. For the first few visits with either a SP or MA you get what you pay for, after that though, it's between you and her ...

[Guest realnicehat]

I've seen both MAs and SPs but I'm mostly a MA guy. I love the build-up and sensuality of the MA experience versus the mechanical experience of SPs (my humble opinion).

 

However, if you see the same MA or the same SP, say many, many times in 2 months, or even more times in a year, you get used to each other, and if you happen to have a good emotional connection ... then things get blurred I think ... you may end up getting a better experience either way. For the first few visits with either a SP or MA you get what you pay for, after that though, it's between you and her ...

 

You've been seeing the wrong SPs. ;)

[Fresh start 17467]

I would love to see a SP vs Ma in oil wrestling match! Oh oops misinterpreted the title. (Jk)

 

I've seen both, and in my opinion both may have similarities in a session but both should not be compared, they are two different things.

 

They way I look at it is an Ma specialty is sensuality. There to tease and seduce until the very end. It's a very intimate but at the same time it has its limits and boundaries. (Fs is not an option along with other depending on the lady and place) respect them.

 

Now it doesn't mean an Sp cannot provide the same experience, there are Sp that are very sensual. Although Sp usually provide a wider variety of service which means they don't specialize in one area. Some ma be just as good as an Ma some may not, assuming your only comparing the same services they provide.

 

Keeping in mind this is through my experience only. Perhaps I've seen some awesome Sp or some naughty Ma;) that my experiences are to great and my comparison of the two are way off. I seek an Ma when I really need affection and sensuality because I'm sure I'll get it, and that all I want. When I want a Fs I'll go to a Sp where I do sometime get the same amount of affection and sensuality but not all the time, but that ok cause I wasn't looking for it. They each have their own purpose to me and there may be similarities but in the end you cannot compare apples and oranges.

But you can compare boobies;) lol

[waterat 20911]

I would love to see a SP vs Ma in oil wrestling match! Oh oops misinterpreted the title. (Jk)

 

.... the MA's may have an advantage: more experience with Nuru gel!

[Salinaflower 5512]

Disagreements are natural and it's impossible to agree on everything, Passionvitto. I totally understand though. However I believe that by the gent inquiring on what services the lady in question offers he is getting a basic idea of what his overall experience will be like during the time he books. This is not to be interpreted as black and white that the experience overall solely depends on services offered. That's not true at all. I also mentioned personality plays a huge role, which can aid in adding just the right welcoming, warm vibe to create a beautiful experience. Best of luck and success in your searches, gents!! Here on cerb, there are many lovely ladies to choose from that are fully committed to making all your wildest fantasies because a picture perfect reality ;-)!!

Very politely said ChantalSummers. I don't have much of an opinion but what I will say, is this:

 

When GFE session get into the ..."will you do XXX for this much" or "how much for that", its awkward. Makes me think money is an issue for you and I'm a garage sale.

[Guest Ni**t*****t]

I have seen both and honestly, I cannot answer the question. It's all about chemistry I guess and when it works out, it really does...

[Guest c**io**m7]

I have seen both and honestly, I cannot answer the question. It's all about chemistry I guess and when it works out, it really does...

 

Well said.