Is referring to CK's diary similar to posting a negative review

[stand on guard 1186]

I know that CERB is a review board and that negative posts are discouraged. If someone asks for info on a Service Provider and there is a response that says check out the Cowboy's diary, is that the same as posting a negative review? As a fan of the diary, I appreciate the research and feedback that CK provides. I am curious what others think on the subject.

[PistolPete 61421]

No not all, if that term is being used in a thread (See Cowboy's Diary) Most of those comments are really saving gents the hassle of dealing with fake ad's and scams, or in fact rip off artists.

 

I think there is nothing negative about anyone stating see CK's Diary. In fact saving someone actual harm,or getting ripped off is a benefit to ALL of the gents here on this board that may want to use other sites looking for ladies, he has our best interests.

 

BTW CERB is a recommendation board not a review board. ;)

[OSaab 574]

BTW CERB is a recommendation board not a review board. ;)

 

Exactly. And all they are doing is 'recommending' that the person do some more research at another site that has pertinent information.

[Guest h****sho***9]

Good to know.

 

I made a comment the other day about looking at the diary then after I made it, I thought that it may be seen as negative comment, but nothing was said but a thank you from the person that was directed to read the diary article. So if I saved someone from a potential bad time then I am glad I could have helped.

 

But you are right it is a recommendation board and any advice any one can give being negative or positive is good advice and people should listen to what others have to say. I know I have and it has saved me from potential bad experiences a few times.

[eagertopleaze 2366]

I don't think it would be allowed for you to say "I recommend that you do not go so see Lady XYZ..."

 

So CERB is basically a Positive Recommendation Board.

 

This is a great website and a great group of people, but sometimes it would be helpful if we could all be honest with our opinions, positive or negative...

 

And in my opinion, if you say "I'd check out what CK has to say", then you are basically giving a bad review...

[Eric Northman 16522]

In the past I've also replied to people asking for recos with something along the line of, "There are reviews of her on another site that rhymes with this one," which is sufficiently vague and allows someone to go get information with which to make up their own minds.

 

If a date didn't live up to your expectations, you may find out by doing more research after the fact that your expectations were perhaps set too high for the lady in question. A little research can sometimes go a long way towards preventing disappointment.

[stand on guard 1186]

Pistol is correct. I should have started the thread with Cerb is a recommendation board. However, negative recos are not allowed. CK's diary is a great opportunity to save someone from getting ripped off, or sucked in to a bait and switch situation, and for that, I am happy that such a research tool exists.

[mod 135640]

Reviews often include ratings (10/10 5/10 9/10 etc...) here we do not allow that either (It actually makes a lot of the ladies upset to be graded like meat). Even a 9/10 (something we would all consider top notch) makes many upset cause it's not 10/10 some just avoid that.

 

I also don't like the word reviews I like to just focus on the good and leave everything else out. If someone is not worthy of a great review then don't post anything at all (Sometimes silence is worth more)

[Sweet Emily J 172062]

Let's also keep in mind that the focus of CKs diary is Bait and Switch and sometimes potentially dangerous situations. These things are allowed to be posted on CERB too. There is an actual section for this for almost all cities, but it hardly ever gets used. I think these areas could be used much more than they currently are, since B&S/perceived danger covers a lot of the most serious issues with providers.

 

CK doesn't post negative reviews or subjective information about ladies. The info he posts is not usually a matter of opinion, which "reviews" are. That's the difference.

 

While I am not in favour of "review" sites, I do think that getting out information about b&s/dangerous situations is important, and will only benefit the honest providers, the honest gentlemen, and the industry overall. This is not the same as posting negative (and often hurtful) reviews about perceived appearances, services, expectations, etc, which are all always subjective and always YMMV. (And btw, life is YMMV. The phrase existed long before online escort communities.)

 

I don't know about others, but just from casual browsing, I find it pretty easy to figure out by looking at ads, websites, photos, recos, etc who is legit and who's probably not. I don't understand why it's so hard for others to figure this out. And I find it unfortunate that there is still people who think it's appropriate to publicly post about such intimate, and subjective matters having to do with another fellow human being who may just have had a bad day or didn't like the cut of your jib.

 

Thankfully, for the perfection-seekers, the sex-robots will be here soon enough! ;)

[hoffa68 939]

The one thing I would point out is that all postings on Cowboys site seem to be in reference to other sites and the scammers who use them. Many people say "Has anyone seen so and so from BP" and there are sometimes reviews on this site for those SPs.

 

I think that I have only seen a couple of posting that were maybe negative in the quality you received. otherwise, it is all about the scammers using fake photos, trying to rip you off etc.

[BootyLoving 2441]

Negative experience when posted on CK diary tend to be multiple direct complaints from cross referenced and reliable contacts or dangerous and very bad experience. These don't come up often but when it warrants the cowboy to make a comment, it warrants a listen.

 

Most of CK's stuff are to flag fakers and takers.

[TheRiddlerMan 872]

I have no issue with Cerb's particular stance on reviews, but I don't agree that reviews are inherently unfair and/or disrespectful. A service provider is just that, someone who provides a service in exchange for an agreed recompense. Hair dressers, lawyers and escorts all have that in common. Just as ratemymd.com provides valuable information to someone looking for a doctor, so do escort review sites assist those looking for a certain kind of company. I see no harm in looking for information prior to spending $250. That's not a casual expense, at least not for me.

[Eric Northman 16522]

I have no issue with Cerb's particular stance on reviews, but I don't agree that reviews are inherently unfair and/or disrespectful. A service provider is just that, someone who provides a service in exchange for an agreed recompense. Hair dressers, lawyers and escorts all have that in common. Just as ratemymd.com provides valuable information to someone looking for a doctor, so do escort review sites assist those looking for a certain kind of company. I see no harm in looking for information prior to spending $250. That's not a casual expense, at least not for me.

 

I think an escort, by virtue of her standing in society, is in a very different position than a physician. Women in this profession have often been victimized, marginalized and denied protections that would normally be extended to others. If you go to some sites which allow unrestricted 'reviews' you will see some fairly nasty and hurtful things said about various ladies for reasons that may or may not be remotely legitimate.

 

CERB has taken a default position of not allowing ANY negative commentary about providers. While this may seem to be 'unfair' or 'biased' to some, keep in mind that this may be one of the very few places some ladies can openly be themselves without fear of negativity.

 

This is not to say these ladies are delicate flowers that need protection. I'm simply suggesting that much like various affirmative action programs or hate speech laws, society sometimes needs the social justice pendulum to swing far off to the opposite direction before finding a happy medium.

[TheRiddlerMan 872]

Absolutely, some of what's said is almost malevolent. Ideally that kind of posting would be controlled. A basic "we're talking about people here, so be nice" policy should be enforced. Other than that though, I don't think it increases any risks or marginalization impact. I could be wrong, I've moderated some of my libertarian tendencies recently after reading up on privilege.

 

BtW, as I said above I have no issue with Cerb's specific policies, just discussing review sites in general.

[Eric Northman 16522]

Funny how things happen sometimes. Just after posting to this thread I came across this article in my newsfeed:

 

http://gawker.com/on-smarm-1476594977

 

It's talking about the counterpoint to snarky negativity on the web often being smarmy, obsequious "positivity" that is just as bad or worse than the nastiness that it was meant to counter.

 

Maintaining a civilized discourse on the internet is an incredibly difficult challenge and I'm not convinced anyone has solved it yet. CERB does pretty well though IMHO.

[mod 135640]

I personally trust ck, he is human and can make a mistake but he is more diligent than anyone.... And he does not want to hurt someones business who does not deserve it, if everyone was as diligent as ck i am sure no one would have issues of negative reviews.

 

I would not give anyone a infraction for referring to ck's diary if someone asks for info.

 

P.s. Sending people to a site hosting negative reviews no matter how clever you think you are being with stuff like "a site othen then this that rhymes with erb" or whatever way you try to circumvent this rule will get you a infraction. It makes me and other members angry when you do this and is not appreciated. Ck's diary is the only please i let people reference in a negative way as his track record is amazing to say the least.

[BootyLoving 2441]

To cap it off most of them ends with "erb"All good sites in its own rights. cerb just tends to behave more Canadian like.

 

 

Just remember, not everything referred to on the cowboys site is bad. I do remember seeing recommendation for ladies found to be an exceptional and refreshing find.

 

 

It's been a while, but it's happened more than once.

[fortunateone 156618]

I'm always curious about why it is so difficult for people to simply go to see an sp who received a recommendation versus someone who did not. Why agonize over the fact that there isn't a 'review' or negative comments allowed?

 

Recos cover the basics of the sp, and indicate that the person thought highly enough of her to recommend that other go to see her. Meaning the pics would be legit, the advertising accurate, and the sp herself professional and reliable.

 

If that is what a good review would tell potential clients, then why is there such a hard time accepting that same information from a recommendation on cerb?

 

I find it puzzling why the potential clients who have a hard time making a move without someone with some credibility out there to post where they should move to, can't just read recos and figure out that someone who gets a reco would be a good person to move with. lol

[Eric Northman 16522]

P.s. Sending people to a site hosting negative reviews no matter how clever you think you are being with stuff like "a site othen then this that rhymes with erb" or whatever way you try to circumvent this rule will get you a infraction. It makes me and other members angry when you do this and is not appreciated. Ck's diary is the only please i let people reference in a negative way as his track record is amazing to say the least.

 

Violating my rule of never getting into a debate with Mod but I would provide a counterpoint by example.

 

I saw an ad for a lady not too long ago who didn't have any recos here. She wasn't on CK's page either. I went searching elsewhere and what did I find? Review after review describing her as cold, rushed, unprofessional and disconnected. Distracted with her phone, etc. Not mean or biased reviews (from what I could tell) inasmuch as they all described her as very beautiful, just like her pictures. Just that her 'bedside manner' was very lacking.

 

Someone like that falls in the cracks. People wouldn't necessarily be able to say something nice about her for a reco here. But on the other hand, she's not a bait and switch or a scam either so she doesn't really go on CKs page either.

 

I get that it's a fine line. If you open the floodgates to 'critical' reviews, the site can become a cesspool like some other sites. I believe you've made the right policy choice here as evidenced by the quality of discourse on CERB. On the other hand, obliquely suggesting to someone that they might find some useful information elsewhere might truly be doing them a solid.

[Jabba 18389]

...I also don't like the word reviews I like to just focus on the good and leave everything else out. If someone is not worthy of a great review then don't post anything at all (Sometimes silence is worth more)

 

err...don't you mean "recommendation"? :biggrin:

[CristyCurves 169032]

Negative experience when posted on CK diary tend to be multiple direct complaints from cross referenced and reliable contacts or dangerous and very bad experience. These don't come up often but when it warrants the cowboy to make a comment, it warrants a listen.

 

Most of CK's stuff are to flag fakers and takers.

 

 

The problem with posting negative experiences and even allowing comments about them on any board, even when crossed referenced and sometimes even multiple, after all some boys like to stick together;) is that: Some hobbyists that have politely and positively given recos or reviews on other providers can have a "dislike" for another provider and post negative comments because of that. This dislike may have nothing at all to do with her services and in some cases the hobbyist may have not even have met the intended target . But for their reasons they feel the need to bash or trash her. Not all hobbyists are mature, well intentioned gentlemen. Even the ones that some sp's have had no issues with. For that reason I tend not to like seeing negativity anywhere. None of us know why or where it is started or caused or the truth behind it and sp's have little recourse against this. The diary and it's bait and switch is important but I don't think reposting negative reviews is, unless they are danger alerts even then we have a section for that:)

[frodo1 140]

As a relatively new cerbite, I find the omission of negative reviews to be a disservice to me. I would like to know about the scams that are being used and who to avoid.

 

I believe that a plain reporting of events that occurred without overt negative or slanderous comments, this should be allowed. For example, if someone overcharged or if there was bait and switch, what's wrong with simply reporting that experience?

 

I know cerb has its rules but in my opinion, it would be much more valuable to me if I could get the benefit of others, both the good and not so good.

[CristyCurves 169032]

 

I believe that a plain reporting of events that occurred without overt negative or slanderous comments, this should be allowed. For example, if someone overcharged or if there was bait and switch, what's wrong with simply reporting that experience?[/QUOTE]

reporting bait and switch is the basis of the Diary. We also have a section for that as far as overcharging, who or how would that be determined? Unless you mean upcharging, when an advertised rate is XX but for this or that the girl will ask for more. The funny thing about that is if the girl is a rocket and gives good service no one will complain but if she is average or below and so are her services some will complain.

Overall imo for a man to gripe about how a sexual service was performed is just silly. Complain, if you are ripped off, mislead, threatened, something that is of concern. But to say a girl wasn't as pretty as you expected, bigger, smaller, taller, shorter, didn't suck good, fuck good or do it long enough, hard enough, etc, is just to subjective and again.....silly!

[roamingguy 300292]

As a relatively new cerbite, I find the omission of negative reviews to be a disservice to me. I would like to know about the scams that are being used and who to avoid.

 

I believe that a plain reporting of events that occurred without overt negative or slanderous comments, this should be allowed. For example, if someone overcharged or if there was bait and switch, what's wrong with simply reporting that experience?

 

I know cerb has its rules but in my opinion, it would be much more valuable to me if I could get the benefit of others, both the good and not so good.

 

CERB already has a section where members can report bait & switch, scams and dangerous encounters.

As for CERB's rule about no negative reviews, everyone knew and accepted this policy when they joined CERB. If you want to read negative reviews, there are boards out there that allow them. CERB choses to only allow recommendations. Lots of review boards, but very few recommendation boards (I may be wrong but I believe CERB is the only one) And CERB's policy has made this board a safe place for the ladies. I'm sure many ladies would leave, or just not participate should this turn into a review board

A rambling

RG

[Eric Northman 16522]

CERB's policy has made this board a safe place for the ladies. I'm sure many ladies would leave, or just not participate should this turn into a review board

 

This! I know for a fact that some ladies won't set foot on some of the other boards which are "wretched hives of scum and villainy".