Andee 220524 Report post Posted December 13, 2009 And I am in complete agreement with you, I just don't think this is the place to be discussing such at all. This is not a morality or family forum... This is an escort forum.. People here largely practice activities that some people find just as offensive as we may find what this SP is doing. I only worry if we start judging her, it opens us up to judge on others... and this is the last place where anyone should feel judged or worry about the possibility of such. I would just rather this site be about our lovely ladies and the good times we have with. While I know this forum is open to other discussions, I'd rather them not be as controversial or judgmental as this one... ...Also... These forums are not private. Anyone can read them. Are we not increasing the chances of her getting caught simple because police can see this thread here and connect it to the one on CL? There's too much to think about here, and none of it is my business... Nai, out! xo I'm sorry to disagree with you. What consenting adults participate in is no body's business, but when a child is involved it's everybody's business. I did not post this without giving it a lot of thought. I was warned that I was probably going to get a lot of flack for doing so. As I said before, I hope she reads this and corrects the problem so she won't "get caught" by CAS. And if and when she does it won't be because I posted something here, it will because of her behaviour which will eventually happen. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buggernot 588 Report post Posted December 13, 2009 ...Also... These forums are not private. Anyone can read them. Are we not increasing the chances of her getting caught simple because police can see this thread here and connect it to the one on CL? Yes we are. Bit of a dilemma all around. I would sooner see this thread deleted or at least have all connecting info removed. That's not really possible though, is it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parker 19761 Report post Posted December 13, 2009 (edited) I'm sorry to disagree with you. What consenting adults participate in is no body's business, but when a child is involved it's everybody's business. I did not post this without giving it a lot of thought. I was warned that I was probably going to get a lot of flack for doing so. As I said before, I hope she reads this and corrects the problem so she won't "get caught" by CAS which will eventually happen with or without this posting. I guess I just don't get how this is worse than escorting with an unborn child. There was an entire thread about "preggo" fetishes... and some recommendations... but when the child is no longer in the mother it is somehow more at risk and everyone's business? As I said before... I just don't think this is the place. Edited December 13, 2009 by Parker spelling Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Megan'sTouch 23875 Report post Posted December 13, 2009 I guess I just don't get how this is worse than escorting with an unborn child. There was an entire thread about "preggo" fetishes... and some recommendations... but when the child is no longer in the mother it is somehow more at risk and everyone's business? As I said before... I just don't think this is the place. I'm going to disagree. When a child is born into the world and is his or her own person, it's the duty of society to protect that child. As long as the child is part of his or her mother's body and cannot live separately, it's the woman's business. That's my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parker 19761 Report post Posted December 13, 2009 I'm going to disagree. When a child is born into the world and is his or her own person' date=' it's the duty of society to protect that child. As long as the child is part of his or her mother's body and cannot live separately, it's the woman's business. That's my opinion.[/quote'] But for the client for example... There is more of a possibility of him hurting the unborn child than the one in the other room, unless he is out to do so. The risks are outstanding... and since we were talking about CAS, I doubt they'd see the difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andee 220524 Report post Posted December 13, 2009 What I meant is that the "good guys" of CERB that we want her to see won't be visiting her anymore while this post might attract someone who is interested in harming the girl. I don't think a regular CERB poster would go after her daughter' date=' but this isn't a private forum and I'm quite sure we have at least 10 "lurkers" per actual poster. I think a creep lurking viewing this thread and paying her a visit due to her daughter is a very real possibility.[/quote'] But how do you think the "good guys" would feel if they showed up and realized a child was there - do you think they would want to stay? You're right - there are predators out there, but she could get a "bad guy" anyways who realizes her daughter is there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andee 220524 Report post Posted December 13, 2009 I guess I just don't get how this is worse than escorting with an unborn child. There was an entire thread about "preggo" fetishes... and some recommendations... but when the child is no longer in the mother it is somehow more at risk and everyone's business? As I said before... I just don't think this is the place. Perhaps you are right - this is not the place to be bringing up such things - so what would you suggest? If a place is filthy, the person rips you off or has drug paraphanalia lying around or a guy lurking in the next room, it's okay to post a WARNING, but we shouldn't mention if a child is on the premises. How else are guys supposed to be WARNED so they can judge whether they want to visit such a place. Maybe we should remove all the warnings because after all as you said this forum should be about "our lovely ladies and the good times we have with". I am not prepared to get into a pissing match over this, but comparing a six year old child to a preggo fetish is hardly the same. On that note, we could get into the debate that has raged for decades about rights of unborn versus born child, abortion and all of that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
etasman2000 15994 Report post Posted December 13, 2009 How else are guys supposed to be WARNED so they can judge whether they want to visit such a place. I prefer to be warned. IANAL. According to the Criminal Code of Canada Section 172. Corrupting Children, anyone who endangers the morals of the child and is found guilty stands a good chance of imprisonment (not exceeding 2 years) http://www.efc.ca/pages/law/cc/cc.172.html This mean both the hobbiest and the SP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fortunateone 156618 Report post Posted December 13, 2009 No reason not to have the child in daycare for the times she places ads for working. 80 per call (or more) will more than cover an 8 hour day care stay) It is simply a matter of time before someone who walks away reports her, and then what is going to happen. Personally, I would have contacted this individual directly. I do not know if she is a member or not, but she can be easily reached through her ads. Posting the info publically does run the risk of alerting bad guys to the situation; this sp is in danger of being blackmailed by an individual who finds her and goes to see her now based on going there with this knowledge. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parker 19761 Report post Posted December 13, 2009 Perhaps you are right - this is not the place to be bringing up such things - so what would you suggest? How else are guys supposed to be WARNED so they can judge whether they want to visit such a place. If a place is filthy, the person rips you off or has drug paraphanalia lying around or a guy lurking in the next room, it's okay to post a WARNING, but not if a child is on premises. Maybe we should remove all the warnings because after all as you said this forum should be about "our lovely ladies and the good times we have with". I am not prepared to get into a pissing match over this, but comparing a six year old child to a preggo fetish is hardly the same. On that note, we could get into the debate that has raged for decades about rights of unborn versus born child, abortion and all of that. What I really don't understand is why you did not direct your client to cerb where he could post this himself then. Abortion has nothing to do with the fact, and honestly throwing around words like that just cloud the situation. You're judging someone based on something you heard from another person. Not something you saw, not something you confirmed by talking to her. You're right, they should be warned... but how do you know if the people who chime in to say you are right have actually seen such? If they did and were so appalled why are you the first (someone who has not seen anything) to say something? If it's different than a pregnancy fetish is also something else better left to be debated by medical professionals... I know plenty of women who have been put on bed rest and they aren't having sex everyday. I just think that this is becoming overly one sided with not one person ACTUALLY involved jumping in to say anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kubrickfan 12836 Report post Posted December 14, 2009 Another good reason to stick with outcalls. :roll: Seriously, if that happened to a lot of the cerb guys (and certainly if it ever happened to me), I think the reaction would be to immediately stop the session and spending the rest of the day thinking about why the heck I ever started doing this to begin with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PistolPete 61421 Report post Posted December 14, 2009 *making some popcorn* Enjoying your popcorn? the whole thread never should of got this far..... my 2 cents. Stuff like this, is not what should be published here in a open forum,again my personal opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
i****v***** 310 Report post Posted December 14, 2009 I am, thank you. Now go fetch me a drink. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mod 135640 Report post Posted December 14, 2009 I have been away and just found this now thanks to some people flagging it. I removed the address info from the original post and explained why it was not appropriate for cerb to announce this... but it obvious is a issue and should be discussed in open. I moved this to the discussion area and I have not read the whole thread yet as I am limited in time right now but please when you see this stuff and you say "I hope MOD removed it" or anything like that... just click the icon on the post and bring it to my attention. PLEASE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TracieGold 282 Report post Posted December 14, 2009 Please people....do not rush to conclusions and call CAS before talking to the SP. Shemay be in a desperate situation.....please, I beg you...I had children adn I never involved them in my personal life, but I was lucky to have a husband to help me out. If the child is abandoned , not fed, not dressed, not loved, not properly cared for, all right CAS would beinvolved in the benefit of the child, but may be this lady is doing the bEST she can and it would be terrible to separate mother and baby. From my heart I ask you to take a ot of care about what you do. CAS is a wonderful organization, but once they get involved she may loose her baby..... Love is understanding..... tracie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PistolPete 61421 Report post Posted December 14, 2009 I am, thank you. Now go fetch me a drink. Fetch you drink ?...yeah right...never for a arrogant individual that speaks like that, besides you never said please. Merry Christmas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest s******ecan**** Report post Posted December 14, 2009 I think a thread like this shows the value of the CERB community. With the exception of a couple of flippant posts from one individual a scenario I had never considered before was discussed openly. It just never occurred to me that an SP would risk exposing their children in this way so I now have something new to think about in the case of incall (which I have never been a fan of). Also I'm impressed with the commitment of Mod and other CERB members to protect the reputations of members from possibly unsubstantiated allegations. I can't imagine some of the other boards (whom shall remain nameless) handling an issue like this in such a mature way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
herelookin 3510 Report post Posted December 14, 2009 disturbed him when he heard a young child in the next room. Glad this never bothered our parents... or most of us younger sisters and brothers would not be here. IMHO the issue that seems bothersome is the multiple people in and out of the place... Nowhere has anyone stated that the child is improperly cared for; in fact most have said that the place is very clean and orderly. And this is no place to discuss whether a child is being improperly cared for on one or two persons limited time involved with the mother. Or the morality of the situation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
i****v***** 310 Report post Posted December 14, 2009 Fetch you drink ?...yeah right...never for a arrogant individual that speaks like that, besides you never said please. Merry Christmas hahaha ... now, now ... you must know by now that arguing is not allowed in cerbland. Why do you wish to pick a fight? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CourtesanCassandra 167 Report post Posted December 14, 2009 Please people....do not rush to conclusions and call CAS before talking to the SP.Shemay be in a desperate situation.....please, I beg you...I had children adn I never involved them in my personal life, but I was lucky to have a husband to help me out. If the child is abandoned , not fed, not dressed, not loved, not properly cared for, all right CAS would beinvolved in the benefit of the child, but may be this lady is doing the bEST she can and it would be terrible to separate mother and baby. From my heart I ask you to take a ot of care about what you do. CAS is a wonderful organization, but once they get involved she may loose her baby..... Love is understanding..... tracie I agree with the above statement. I myself do have a little one & while the idea of entertaining clients in my home while my little one is about doesn't even enter my head, I do have resources, such as family & friends that are more than happy to babysit while I work. Some women do not have these resourses & being a single parent with no resourses is very difficult. Sure, there is income assistance, but really, with the amount allotted, it's barely enough to cover rent, groceries, utilities & bills. I agree that working while the little one is about is a very bad idea (not to mention the legality of the situation) but I've no idea what situation the sp is in. What I think is a great idea is possibly networking with other sp's in similar situations & sharing babysitting duties, perhaps. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
m**k 153 Report post Posted December 14, 2009 I agree with the above statement. I myself do have a little one & while the idea of entertaining clients in my home while my little one is about doesn't even enter my head, I do have resources, such as family & friends that are more than happy to babysit while I work. Some women do not have these resourses & being a single parent with no resourses is very difficult. Sure, there is income assistance, but really, with the amount allotted, it's barely enough to cover rent, groceries, utilities & bills. I agree that working while the little one is about is a very bad idea (not to mention the legality of the situation) but I've no idea what situation the sp is in. What I think is a great idea is possibly networking with other sp's in similar situations & sharing babysitting duties, perhaps. The sp in question is not a single parent and claims that her SO takes the child away when she is accepting calls. Even if this claim is true, doing incalls in the same appartment or house where a child lives is really messed up. I'm actually disgusted as I read this thread and have lost all faith in humanity (yet again!). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buggernot 588 Report post Posted December 14, 2009 Some women do not have these resourses & being a single parent with no resourses is very difficult. Sure, there is income assistance, but really, with the amount allotted, it's barely enough to cover rent, groceries, utilities & bills. I agree that working while the little one is about is a very bad idea (not to mention the legality of the situation) but I've no idea what situation the sp is in. Not a good enough reason to justify sex work with a child present. I'm not saying that is the case here, but there's no circumstance ever that could justify it. Holy fuck. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PistolPete 61421 Report post Posted December 14, 2009 Holy fuck. Pretty well sums up the entire thread now does it not? Now there is other implications to come, name calling, a ban from CERB, a thread closed because of this. I agree 100% that no child should ever be around. But I will leave with this you...... rest assure this now will turn into a witch hunt by individuals here that are....oh ya..hobbiest and sp's that might have kids too, interesting fact as well..eh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
m**k 153 Report post Posted December 14, 2009 rest assure this now will turn into a witch hunt by individuals here that are....oh ya..hobbiest and sp's that might have kids too, interesting fact as well..eh? What the hell does that mean??? So some hobbiest and sps have kids...and? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PistolPete 61421 Report post Posted December 14, 2009 What the hell does that mean??? So some hobbiest and sps have kids...and? What I mean is that if hobbiest x,y,z and sp's x,y,z have kids it is okay to be questioned them as well in a open forum? I think that Naomi said it earlier, not the place here for open discussion this is a escort forum. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
