Guyonsite 100 Report post Posted January 1, 2014 How many people here know what the ratio of dancers that are also escorts are? Or what ratio dancers that do not escort are? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2bigalow2 2938 Report post Posted January 2, 2014 I would say about 25% do both dance and escort Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bridgette 10998 Report post Posted January 2, 2014 There's a handful of ladies on cerb who do both, but most dancers keep mum on their escorting in the club (at least to other dancers and staff), so it's hard to tell. I don't think there's a lot of overlap though -- dancing and escorting are in two very different comfort zones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rexscott 520 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 25%? Never guess it was that high. If they want to keep it on the downlow, then they wouldn't have advertisements with photos, which must make it hard to get word out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BradDoyle 130 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 I always thought this an interesting question and always wondered. You don't want to disrespect by asking cause, as Bridgette says, the comfort threshold between the two actions are quite different. In the few times that I've been I had one memorable experience a couple years ago at Barefax one afternoon where I, quite honestly and with zero intent, muttered out "I've a chair like this in my hotel room...". I got this wry smile from the lady and was propositioned after that, but was a bit too shy to follow through. StupidStupidStupidStupid..... :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ni**t*****t Report post Posted January 3, 2014 There's a handful of ladies on cerb who do both, but most dancers keep mum on their escorting in the club (at least to other dancers and staff), so it's hard to tell. I don't think there's a lot of overlap though -- dancing and escorting are in two very different comfort zones. I totally agree. I know a few dancers very well and all of them are dancing because they do not want to be escorting. They are all very beautiful and solicited all the time but they have their comfort zones and will not leave them. I personally went out with a few lovely girls and in no case was there any sex involved. I presently go out regularly with a girl from Barbs and just enjoy the time out. The dates are always great and we have long and wonderful evenings that I will always remember. Just great company, good food and fantastic convo. I respect this... If I need a date that will end up in the bedroom I can call a good SP for it and there are some great girls there too. I guess we just need to know who is who and we will have no disappointments... only good times :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canuckhooker 19203 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 Sorry to burst bubbles, but 25% is too low. I would say about 50%. I agree many dancers keep that side of the business and their affairs quiet, but many would or have escorted. And although I won't say at what clubs, and I realize that talking about extras in SC's is frowned upon in here, I will say generally from what I have seen and heard from those in the industry, there are a lot of extras going on in the champagne rooms around town that basically are the same services offered by escorts. That is Ottawa. I am not personally familiar with the scene in TO but have been told by a sex-worker there that it is more rampant and has really started a bit of a price war with MA's and SP's. MA's are giving more "extras" so as not to lose clients to the SC's. Now I will say that I don't have first hand knowledge of that, but did get it from someone who's judgement and knowledge I trust. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dazedandconfused75 455 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 I can't say exact numbers but what I can say is I have been in clubs where my friends have been back for awhile and it required a condom... I didn't ask questions nor did I want to know ... that's not what I'm looking for. If you really look at escorts vs dancer I really wonder where the money is ... escorts get payed by hour from what I've seen generally anywhere from 150-260h depending on what is offered ... a very good dancer can make 260 in 13 songs which is about 40 minutes of her time which doesn't involve having sex... I get its probably harder for a dancer to find multiple guys who want to go back for 13 songs in a row... but I've seen some dancers that I've wanted a dance with and I couldn't get in because they had a line up :) Its interesting I was talking about this with my friend yesterday who spends alot of money on his ATF and gets nothing in return sexually she's by the book, sometime she's naked sometimes she's not they talk, txt, see each other outside of the club for chats drinks, coffee but nothing physical... I joke with him that the money he spends on his ATF he could have a SP provide the same experience with a more beneficial ending ... finding a good SP who provides GFE and repeat visit enough I'm sure he'd get her number and they'd txt and chat if they connected mentally ... I don't understand either profession (but I'm glad they exist :P) Mainly because I'm a middle aged overweight guy who could never sell anything to anyone :P 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bridgette 10998 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 Sorry to burst bubbles, but 25% is too low. I would say about 50%. I agree many dancers keep that side of the business and their affairs quiet, but many would or have escorted. And although I won't say at what clubs, and I realize that talking about extras in SC's is frowned upon in here, I will say generally from what I have seen and heard from those in the industry, there are a lot of extras going on in the champagne rooms around town that basically are the same services offered by escorts. That is Ottawa. Dancers escorting on the side and offering escort-y services in the club is certainly not an Ottawa-wide trend -- it's incredibly club specific, so I don't think you're correct thinking that half of dancers in Ottawa partake in either activity. Some clubs are just more willing to turn a blind eye than others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wallace48 571 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 Should be interesting to see how the Sweet300 and Playmate combo evolves if the prostitution laws remain in limbo although they are to be considered in force for the next year. Occasionally dancers will suggest going upstairs to 300 where a room can be rented Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2bigalow2 2938 Report post Posted January 3, 2014 I find the dancers who escort in the club; they choose the clients they want. They also want to see if they have a connection with the client sometimes, because they like to enjoy themselves and feel safe, with whom they are with. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pagypie Report post Posted January 4, 2014 I can't say exact numbers but what I can say is I have been in clubs where my friends have been back for awhile and it required a condom... I didn't ask questions nor did I want to know ... that's not what I'm looking for. If you really look at escorts vs dancer I really wonder where the money is ... escorts get payed by hour from what I've seen generally anywhere from 150-260h depending on what is offered ... a very good dancer can make 260 in 13 songs which is about 40 minutes of her time which doesn't involve having sex... I get its probably harder for a dancer to find multiple guys who want to go back for 13 songs in a row... but I've seen some dancers that I've wanted a dance with and I couldn't get in because they had a line up :) Its interesting I was talking about this with my friend yesterday who spends alot of money on his ATF and gets nothing in return sexually she's by the book, sometime she's naked sometimes she's not they talk, txt, see each other outside of the club for chats drinks, coffee but nothing physical... I joke with him that the money he spends on his ATF he could have a SP provide the same experience with a more beneficial ending ... finding a good SP who provides GFE and repeat visit enough I'm sure he'd get her number and they'd txt and chat if they connected mentally ... I don't understand either profession (but I'm glad they exist :P) Mainly because I'm a middle aged overweight guy who could never sell anything to anyone :P I can relate to your friend for sure. also the song length is a bit dynamic depending on the club...I recall timing it out at pigale last year a couple times and 300/hr ended up being in my favour. we'd count 15 and the clock was still ticking. that said not all clubs/songs are identical. I really prefer to count time rather than songs for sure...let's me keep my mind on much better things. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whiteman 14028 Report post Posted January 5, 2014 I'd say it's a pretty high number too, though maybe not as high as 50%. There's a lot of girls who will give a client her phone number, and maybe take him to her place after her shift, or on an off-day. She's not officially advertising as an escort, just doing it on the side. She probably won't consider herself an escort either. It's similar to the massage world, where some indy girls might offer BJ or even FS to a client that she's gotten to know well. They too won't consider themselves escorts because they don't do this with everybody. But are both of these activities truly escorting, even if the girls themselves don't consider it as such? Who knows? I guess specific labels make some people more comfortable, meanwhile making others less comfortable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
osray 162 Report post Posted January 6, 2014 Over the past several years, I have visited Barbs and BF regularly while in Ottawa on business. When there is a good connection with a lady in the CR, I'll compliment her and ask if she has any interest in work outside of the club, as I have a hotel room and would love to continue this in a more private setting. If the girl isn't interested, she often will suggest to me the name of someone who is working who she believes might be interested. Not sure how to translate this into overall percentages but on nights when I head to the SC hoping to have a lady I meet there visit me in my hotel, I am successful between 50 - 66% of the time. For me, the thrill of following up an interesting SC chat with some CR room excitement and then having the girl visit me in my room (usually a few hrs later - the down side of this is you usually have to wait til end of shift which makes for a quite late encounter) is a build-up of relationship intensity which is not possible with a simple escort visit to the room. I usually pay the upper end of the ordinary escort range. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wallace48 571 Report post Posted January 9, 2014 The concept of paying by song is irritating and I believe I was cheated a couple of times. The girls in calgary set a timer but the downside is no contact. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dazedandconfused75 455 Report post Posted January 9, 2014 Wow really? How icky ... even though I normally keep my hands to myself unless the Dancer does something with them (I don't know the rules well enough to go venture out on my own and each girl seems to have different "okay's" I tend to like to touch the face/cheeks/neck ... which some seem to enjoy/tolerate while others don't ... so best to let the girl direct :) But no touching ... well that just blows unless its like 10$ a song. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slacker 1290 Report post Posted January 9, 2014 But no touching ... well that just blows unless its like 10$ a song. It isn't. I've only been to two clubs west of Ottawa. The one club in Vancouver that allows contact is $50 a song. The other was no-contact and I think they charged $200 per half hour in a private room. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labialover 690 Report post Posted January 9, 2014 The concept of paying by song is irritating and I believe I was cheated a couple of times. The girls in calgary set a timer but the downside is no contact. We are living in paradise in this part of the country compared to calgary. You can arrange to pay for a block of time with some dancers and have a very physically intimate encounter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ni**t*****t Report post Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) The concept of paying by song is irritating and I believe I was cheated a couple of times I rarely pay by song but rather by the hour or so. I normally chat with the girl for a while before going to the cr. I she says she doesn't have time to chat I will move on. This rarely happens though and in general a girl will take a bit of time to talk before the CR. Edited January 12, 2014 by Ni**t*****t Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dazedandconfused75 455 Report post Posted January 13, 2014 Its definitely something I'm thinking about when I talk to a dancer is if I go back to the CR and we have fun that the next time I'll see if I can get a block of time so neither of us are worried about counting songs I've been with a couple of dancers who lost track of the songs... generally that's in my favor... I lose track of songs almost every time I keep a rough estimate unless I know I only have enough money for X songs in my pocket then I count very closely because I don't want to go over. Time seems so much better wonder if some Ottawa dancers will go by time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pagypie Report post Posted January 13, 2014 i only see one dancer regularly and only do blocks of time now. for the reasons you said, it's good not to have to count. it might be worth figuring out the club's timing with songs and do a comparison after counting to be safe. but anytime i've brought it up with a dancer they were amenable. another way to take the pressure off counting is to ask for a warning at song X. If its the first time you're seeing a dancer this might not be the best, but if you plan to stay for at least X songs or have a max number of songs, it's a way for you to let them know and take your mind off counting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dazedandconfused75 455 Report post Posted January 13, 2014 Great suggestions! I'm going to go the timed approach ... she doesn't have to dance the whole time I know with my two favorite dancers they often took breaks chatted, danced to songs they really liked etc.... All of that was fine by me ... as I think it would be pretty hard to keep dancing for a solid hour .. though I guess at the same time we go go in for X dances go back and chat go back in for Y dances get a drink she gets a smoke/food/bathroom break rinse and repeat... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Holden 903 Report post Posted January 13, 2014 If you're ever at Pigale's, they have a private VIP room downstairs. This is an actual room with a door and comfortable benches that run alongside the room. I used to take one of the dancers at Pigale's downstairs down there occasionally. She would charge me $200 for half an hour ($50 for the room, $150 for her) which was a good deal considering that half an hour in the regular CR would probably cost me about $200. Mileage was a bit better than the regular CR since there was more privacy, although nothing crazy as this particular dancer wasn't a high mileage dancer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wallace48 571 Report post Posted January 14, 2014 I never thought of proposing "by time" rather " by song". What have you done in terms of time blocks and what did you manage to negotiate? Not trying to be a cheapskate here even willing to do this even if it cost a bit more - just counting songs is so distracting. More on calgary: -most of the time especially during the day and early evening dancers to not go around approaching clients. After 8:00 a few will but generally you must book a dance through the DJ and pay for it at the bar. You can't pay thr dancer. -dancers are paid a salary and dances are added minus tipping out. - dancer I liked said we could go upstairs to where the real SR's were and the rate was $120 for 30 minutes still no contact though. -one club ing the north provides private booths - the other club in the south has just one large room with about 10 lazyboys/love seats and too well lit for my liking Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dazedandconfused75 455 Report post Posted January 14, 2014 My god,that sounds horrible!!! Least your in Ontario now!! And I ,agree how do you even manage to bring time up someone said nu-den has a sign 20 a song or 150 an hour never saw it,but,he,goes enough to know Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
