Guest P*rry Report post Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) My approach is akin to the one posted by Piano. If my actions became illegal, I'd have to rethink my decisions. Would I stop? Time will tell. Edited February 19, 2014 by P*rry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrgreen760 37785 Report post Posted February 19, 2014 Could more of you please comment on what you will do if they implement the Nordic model? This is a real concern to many of the women here. Will you drop out of the community? What can we do to ensure that you feel safe booking? Wouldn't really matter to me in the sense that I'm at an age where walking away from the game will happen sooner than later. This could just speed up the process. Peace MG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roamingguy 300292 Report post Posted February 19, 2014 Could more of you please comment on what you will do if they implement the Nordic model? This is a real concern to many of the women here. Will you drop out of the community? What can we do to ensure that you feel safe booking? If the Nordic model implemented I truly don't see much of a difference in how this lifestyle will really change. Law change doesn't equal a change in law enforcement priorities. I don't think a new law will be a rallying cry for police to do major enforcement/undercover investigations, it's just too costly...I don't see the government, in this day and age of fiscal restraint all of a sudden loosening the purse strings to the police to enforce a new law. The police's law enforcement focus will be the same as now. CERB, and other escort boards will still prevail (there are escort boards not to mention BP down in the US where for the most part prostitution is illegal) I would assume. Both professional companions and gentlemen engaging in this lifestyle discretely will IMHO see no change and will carry on as usual. Those that will be affected are those engaged in street prostitution or using sites like BP. That said, my guess is really ladies new to this lifestyle will have a problem getting started. Guys will feel more comfortable seeing established ladies. Guys may feel all the more reluctant to offer verification information including their names to a new companion starting out. Will the law affect me. No. Now if in the news it does show increased enforcement (highly unlikely) because of the new law, then I would see those ladies I already know and trust. My leaving this lifestyle or reducing my participation in this lifestyle more dependant on other factors, such as age, income when I do retire and so on A rambling RG 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest N***he**Ont**y Report post Posted February 19, 2014 I can see myself continuing perhaps with a new twist on it. I may have 5 virtual wives who I pay support to on a yearly basis on a polyamerous basis with a legal agreement between us. Have been giving this some thought and I figure this wouldn't be any different then having one mistress. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jafo105 39057 Report post Posted February 19, 2014 Could more of you please comment on what you will do if they implement the Nordic model? This is a real concern to many of the women here. Will you drop out of the community? What can we do to ensure that you feel safe booking? The earliest records show that the sex trade has been around since about the 3rd millennium B.C. [That is about 5,000 to 6,000 years.] It will continue to survive and evolve no matter what laws are in place. I will most likely drop out and abide by the new laws. For a short time only. Until I see how the new system works in practice. I think that no matter what system or laws they impose -- escort prostitution will continue to grow and thrive. There will most likely be rules and regulations to follow. Such as licencing, health requirements and of course taxation. Additional Comments: WHY?oh why don't men read websites follow direction/instructions pre-book more often-there are so many last minutes text things other than "hey" send out penis pictures WHY? -and this only pertains to a few- Please realize that breasts aren't charmin toilet tissue, squeezing them isn't comfortable or pleasurable, for me at least. Kiss them, suck them, caress them, even a little nipple pinch is okay but don't knead need like they are loaves of bread! Thank you:) By the way you have a very nice well thought out website. That can not be said for some other ladies. Perhaps that is why some clients are not reading -- they have just given up on reading websites. If the site is bland or lacks creativity -- why bother looking at it. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrrnice2 157005 Report post Posted February 19, 2014 Could more of you please comment on what you will do if they implement the Nordic model? This is a real concern to many of the women here. Will you drop out of the community? What can we do to ensure that you feel safe booking? What a great question but what a difficult question to answer. If I understand the Nordic model at all it is just as crazy as the existing laws. Presently prostitution is legal but virtually everything that allows it to happen is illegal. The Nordic model would make prostitution legal but make it an illegal service to purchase? How crazy is that?????? However, my continued participation would probably be based on the same things that have guided me over the past three years. Technically every time I visited a lady at her hotel or home I was breaking the bawdy house laws but that did not deter me. For the most part my eventual meeting with a lady only happened after significant prior communications so that at least for me there was always a comfort level, and I cannot see that changing. I would not be concerned if I followed the same same process that I was going to be involved in any sort of a "sting" operation. For ladies I wonder how much more of their time would be taken with texts and emails in order to give clients that sense of ease. I know many ladies already do that but I wonder for them if that will now just add on one additional "chore" too do that will be required in order to do business. Like I say a tough question to answer and right now it's all just thinking out loud. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Athos 108589 Report post Posted February 19, 2014 What a great question but what a difficult question to answer. If I understand the Nordic model at all it is just as crazy as the existing laws. Presently prostitution is legal but virtually everything that allows it to happen is illegal. The Nordic model would make prostitution legal but make it an illegal service to purchase? How crazy is that?????? However, my continued participation would probably be based on the same things that have guided me over the past three years. Technically every time I visited a lady at her hotel or home I was breaking the bawdy house laws but that did not deter me. For the most part my eventual meeting with a lady only happened after significant prior communications so that at least for me there was always a comfort level, and I cannot see that changing. I would not be concerned if I followed the same same process that I was going to be involved in any sort of a "sting" operation. For ladies I wonder how much more of their time would be taken with texts and emails in order to give clients that sense of ease. I know many ladies already do that but I wonder for them if that will now just add on one additional "chore" too do that will be required in order to do business. Like I say a tough question to answer and right now it's all just thinking out loud. I think my answer is pretty much the same. I'd likely want to wait and see what sort of "enforcement" strategy police come up with. but I suspect it will be virtually the same as the current one: a focus on street prostitution, clients of underage providers, and situations where there are disturbances/violence/drugs involved. The police simply don't have the resources to go on a blitz of "clients" across all levels of the business. I expect that if the Nordic model were introduced, I'd be a little more hesitant about trying a new provider, and would likely stick to ladies I know and/or whose reputations speak for themselves. But in reality, that is pretty much what I already do. Porthos 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midnite-Energies 110563 Report post Posted February 19, 2014 Just to add my two cents, would CERB even exist under a Nordic Model? By it's own rules you cannot discuss illegal activity and if buying were illegal.... Might end up being the Canadian Escort Remembrance Board. Thankfully much of the Nordic model goes against the supreme courts comments in the Bedford decision anyway. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ice4fun 78407 Report post Posted February 19, 2014 Could more of you please comment on what you will do if they implement the Nordic model? This is a real concern to many of the women here. Will you drop out of the community? What can we do to ensure that you feel safe booking? The adoption of the Nordic model would be very bad news from my perspective as making my activities illegal would dramatically increase the risk for me as it impact my employment and career in general. I don't think it would drive me out of the hobby but it might reduce my willingness to initiate encounters with new SPs....we would basically be like in the US...we would need to do way more research and be much more careful... usage of sites to screen would be increased. I guess on a bright note I will be more than willing to continue to see ladies I gave already met. I just hope the Government does nothing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roamingguy 300292 Report post Posted February 19, 2014 Just to add my two cents, would CERB even exist under a Nordic Model? By it's own rules you cannot discuss illegal activity and if buying were illegal.... Might end up being the Canadian Escort Remembrance Board. Thankfully much of the Nordic model goes against the supreme courts comments in the Bedford decision anyway. Really only Mod can answer this. That said, escort review/recommendation boards exist for example in the United States where said activity is for the most part illegal. Likely CERB would still exist, maybe do some revamping. And we could all stay safe, never discuss buying cause that's illegal and bad, but we can discuss selling because that is legal and good (need a Tylenol or two, three or five, that concept is giving me a headache) A headached rambling LOL RG 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qwertyaccount 15793 Report post Posted February 19, 2014 Quote: Originally Posted by Summer Could more of you please comment on what you will do if they implement the Nordic model? This is a real concern to many of the women here. Will you drop out of the community? What can we do to ensure that you feel safe booking? I won't know for sure what I will or will not do in that case - I'm taking a wait-and-see position not wanting to find a solution for a problem that may never exist. I am pretty sure that should it happen, I'll be looking for a naked housekeeping service to come over and clean & polish everything in my house - especially the pipes because they can get quite plugged up. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roamingguy 300292 Report post Posted February 19, 2014 For you, is there room for error? I mean, not on your very first meeting, but let's say you go see someone for 3rd time, and she is just out of sorts that day. Will you give her the benefit of doubt and try again, or just say..." nah I will look for another" Maybe she didn't know she ran out of condoms and has to improvise, or maybe a bad hair day, or just low energy? Maybe she went into the session feeling a bit flustered and unprepared? Something I'm going to add to my earlier answer. For me at least, any error, real or imagined by the lady, is forgivable as long as the lady is genuinely happy to see you and be at the encounter. The most important part of an encounter for me is being with a woman who wants to be with you. Show up, no make up and a bad hair day but happy to be with me, all is good. Forget condoms, there are other ways to be affectionate. When a lady makes it clear she is there because she needs the money, she wants a recommendation, has no interest in the encounter etc she is someone I won't see again. Put another way, a lady who made errors (well being human) but wants to be with me passes one hundred percent compared to someone who provided the "technically perfect" encounter in every way except she didn't want to be there and didn't want to see me. A rambling RG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clutch 711 Report post Posted February 19, 2014 WHY?send out penis pictures WHY? I think these types of guys assume their junk is just really great to look at. Please realize that breasts aren't charmin toilet tissue... They don't absorbs messes well either. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ou**or**n Report post Posted February 20, 2014 Could more of you please comment on what you will do if they implement the Nordic model? This is a real concern to many of the women here. Will you drop out of the community? What can we do to ensure that you feel safe booking? I would definitely stop seeing new providers and I'd stop seeing agency girls at agency-operated incall locations. I would also stay clear of massage parlors as they may be the biggest victims of this law. I'd have to see the details of the law to determine what type of circumstances was leading to convictions. For LE to see the actual passing of money between hands would actually be quite hard to catch. Here in Canada where it can be done electronically and I can't see LE taking the time to get warrants from the banks to find out the sender of an Interac money transfer. Even using cash, it is put out and then put away in a flash. If LE came in a moment later they have no proof a transaction took place. Plus what kind of warrant would they need to enter a room? What kind of warrant to search a women's purse? Even then most providers would likely just claim the cash as their own and the meeting to be a non-transactional hookup between consenting adults. Seriously, I think such laws are virtually unenforceable with indoor sex workers at hotels and almost totally unenforceable with outcalls (how could police ever justify a warrant to enter my hotel or house). From what I've read the actual number of convictions in Sweden is laughably low. The one disturbing thing used in Sweden was there were cases where the women carrying condoms were used to build a case they were prostitutes and this lead to a decline in condom usage. Hopefully that wouldn't happen here. I think there is an irrational fear that women would try to either blackmail clients or that women would testify against their clients. I don't consider either of these realistic and if your read up on what is happening in Sweden this isn't an issue. Normally to be arrested for something you need to be 'caught in the act'. If the women can't be charged, why on earth would she claim she got paid and then potentially lose her reputation (and future income) and probably be brought into to testify in court cases - wont' happen. Anyway, back to the point of the question - once I learned the new 'rules' and the inevitable way to avoid them (I can see paying electronically being big) then I'll be back to my current level of involvement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brad 49548 Report post Posted February 20, 2014 Originally Posted by cristycurves WHY? send out penis pictures WHY? Egads, who really knows but I can make two guesses. One is that the guy is an exhibitionist and get satisfaction out of sharing the image. For others, I wonder if it is because they think it will either impress or please the lady. After all, a lot of men would be thrilled to receive a picture from a lady of her private bits; perhaps they are automatically assuming the reverse is true. Either way, it's a shame that random men are either oblivious or immature enough to assume that unsolicited pics are going to win them any points. Better to assume if a lady actually wants to see a junk shot, she'll ask! :) .................. Originally Posted by cristycurves Please realize that breasts aren't charmin toilet tissue... Oh, you make me laugh and cringe at the same time. I think your question just shows how important it is to communicate. I think one of the best things a lady can do is offer instruction on how she likes to be touched, as (and this is both terrible and wonderful!) no two people are the same. And even the same person will be in a different mood day to day. Offering instruction need not be a negative thing, but can in fact be quite enticing with the right tone. After all, most guys want to offer pleasure, so coming right out and seductively saying how you like to be touched will often be both a turn on for the guy, and hopefully save the lady some uncomfortable groping. ..................... Originally Posted by Summer Could more of you please comment on what you will do if they implement the Nordic model? This is a real concern to many of the women here. Will you drop out of the community? What can we do to ensure that you feel safe booking? I'm mostly holding off until I see what actually happens and how it gets enforced. I'm anxious but hopeful that those who--like today--are discreet and respectable--will not generally be bothered, in which case it would make little difference. We'll see. .................. Originally Posted by Raven Rain can you Gentlemen please explain to some gentlemen have their profile private;other than the one worded answer privacy. I feel that being able to look other a potential clients profile helpful sometimes before meeting them. I often wonder if the people that do are either new or seldom visitors, who just aren't around enough to realize they can feel comfortable and secure without a private profile. How many of them set it to private when they first sign up and then never give it a second thought, not realizing they are mostly only hurting themselves by not allowing the ladies to visit their page in turn. I think a lot of new hobbyists are very paranoid about the industry, and it probably seems like a good function especially when they first sign up. .................. Quote: Originally Posted by Amelie I guess my question is, should ladies charge for social time? Should I include the option of free meet up before a date when someone books a certain amount of hours? Absolutely do whatever you feel comfortable with. At the end of the day there really is no "should" other than what works for you. Personally, I don't think you should feel guilty at all about charging a social rate; if anything, it's a nice bonus that you offer the option at all. If you choose to offer an option where some social time is available with a certain booking length/type, that is up to you as well. I think you have to accept that nothing you do will please everybody, so at the end of the day you might just as well do what you feel good about. ......... Quote: Originally Posted by kimmyxoxo What is your absolute favorite thing about hobbying? Whether it's setting up the meeting, the sex itself or the anticipation of meeting a beautiful stranger... And also what is the thing you hate most about hobbying? That one's easy! Best thing: getting the chance to spend time making wonderful memories with wonderful women. Worst thing: not being able to do it more often! I'm not in a position where I can indulge in a rendezvous very often. On the plus side, it's made the encounters I have had very special. But they've been such good experiences that they make me wish I was in a position where I could see even more ladies, and also get back to repeat with those that have been so good to me. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest P**aq Report post Posted February 20, 2014 I'm glad to see this thread is paying off for all! I love to see both the men's and women's perspectives! I'm enjoying reading and responding to the questions! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phaedrus 209521 Report post Posted February 20, 2014 Another batch... If the government does criminalize hobbyists, are you going to drop out of the community?What will you want us providers to do to reassure you that it will be safe to come see US? Not planning on it, but as others have said, this is very much a wait-and-see thing. For established providers, I think the fact that you're an established provider will suffice. I imagine entrants to the industry would find things... hard. I've never been one to go chasing after whoever's the shiny new SP this week, so this wouldn't actually change things much for me, but it might for those who do. And I also imagine it'd be a significant deterrent to new clients. Do you form a significant opinion of an SP based on her writing and how she presents herself whether it's on a site such as this one or what's presented on her website? Yes, definitely, although for me I'm mostly concerned with how intelligent someone seems to be. Assertiveness or being passionate about some debate doesn't bother me, but coming across as stupid is fatal. If your favorite companion was to increase in size 15 to lets say 20+ lbs would your attraction change? No. What is your absolute favorite thing about hobbying? And also what is the thing you hate most about hobbying? Best? The variety, and the fact that I can not feel guilty about my aversion to any kind of commitment. Worst? The stigma which means I can't (OK, won't) talk about it, and my continued failure to win the lottery. In a session if you "blow" to fast, do you just want to run out right away or do you stay and chat, or massage, enjoy a beverage? The latter. I like to have a chance to chat to whoever I'm with. So you visit a number of profiles and see a lot of girls you'd like to meet. On some of these profiles you post that you'll be in touch, want to meet. Yet you don't:( Were your posts sincere, were you just being polite? Are you always honest when you post? Or are you like a kid in a candy store with a big sweet tooth and just get caught up;) I try really hard not to post anything like this for precisely this reason. I don't want to be one of those guys who doesn't follow through, and I also don't want to be in a position where I feel I ought to go and see someone - that takes all the fun out of it! For you, is there room for error? I mean, not on your very first meeting, but let's say you go see someone for 3rd time, and she is just out of sorts that day. Will you give her the benefit of doubt and try again, or just say..." nah I will look for another" Yes. Everyone has bad days. Now if she started to make a habit of having bad days then I'd re-evaluate things, but a one-off is entirely forgivable. When you've seen a lady a few times and have a good connection established, do you feel comfortable talking about or requesting things you'd enjoy trying or do you leave it up to her to either broach or try? Or would you look for someone else who up front states they are into whatever you want to explore and not even mention it to the other? Probably the latter, but that's because I'm really horribly bad at asking for things. I guess my question is, should ladies charge for social time? Should I include the option of free meet up before a date when someone books a certain amount of hours? I don't see that you have any option than to charge for social time, or you'll fall prey to guys who will just never book for a "real" appointment and give you all kinds of crap when you turn them down. Quite a few ladies make it clear in their rates that longer dates are expected to be mixed social and private time. Also: if there's someone you've met and like, you could always ask him if he wants to go out off the clock. I've done this in the past with one or two CERB ladies... although it's ALWAYS been at her instigation. I work on the basis that it's fine for her to ask me if I want to go for a drink off the clock, but if I ask her then I'm either paying her social rate or just another douchebag looking for free stuff. And, of course, they've always been purely social dates; the rest of it is for paid appointments. It helps everyone to keep the boundaries clear. can you Gentlemen please explain to some gentlemen have their profile private;other than the one worded answer privacy. No idea. Sorry! WHY?oh why don't men read websites follow direction/instructions pre-book more often-there are so many last minutes text things other than "hey" send out penis pictures WHY? -and this only pertains to a few- Please realize that breasts aren't charmin toilet tissue, squeezing them isn't comfortable or pleasurable, for me at least. Kiss them, suck them, caress them, even a little nipple pinch is okay but don't knead need like they are loaves of bread! Thank you:smile: Can't help you on most of that. On last minute vs booking ahead: for me, it depends how busy I am and how predictable life is being. Sometimes I can schedule well in advance and be confident of keeping the appointment, but quite a bit of the time the risk of having to cancel - possibly at short notice - is unacceptably high. Even if I cancel a day or two in advance, I don't want to be that guy who books and then cancels all the time. When I can't commit, I'll do last-minute stuff as and when I have the opportunity. 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drlove 37204 Report post Posted February 20, 2014 Thankfully much of the Nordic model goes against the supreme courts comments in the Bedford decision anyway. Ok, I admit my ignorance on how the legal system works in Canada, but answer me this: The SCC has stated that government must write fair laws governing prostitution which adhere to their ruling. We all know that the Nordic model will never pass muster when it is challenged again, and the government no doubt is aware as well. How then is it possible for unjust laws to be passed regardless, without any checks and balances at the forefront? In effect, it renders the SCC decision moot for a period of time until it is again dragged through the courts. In light of this, should not a law of this nature be subject to approval by the SCC prior to being implemented? It would certainly expedite the process and save everyone a lot of grief. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
andflemcol 3975 Report post Posted February 24, 2014 Oops. I am answering the question asked by Suite Escapes post #15 about if I every wonder if my family or colleagues suspect that I mast came from a visit with an SP. Two for sure giveaways: a glowing smile and the smell of sweet perfume. As luck would have it, I am always a smiley type guy and I will either shower the perfume away or mask the smell somehow. I have taken a few second looks driving while wearing my sweaty hockey gear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fortunateone 156618 Report post Posted February 24, 2014 I appreciate everyone who has taken the time to ask and answer the questions. It is a LOT, and i have only browsed thru a few pages so far. :) My question is similar to cristy's list. When contacting an sp, why do you give up entirely after the first attempt didn't reach her? Speaking of phone calls but I suppose text or emails qualify, but phone calls are the most frustrating, especially if the # is blocked. One call, no message, never once trying a 2nd time, even tho my voice message suggests calling back in only 20 minutes. (even saying call back in 5 minutes, such as in the case i am checking laundry or taking out the garbage and can't take the phone). i always assume making the phone call means wanting to connect, am I wrong if the person never tries again (and sometimes i mean that literally, as in even the next day, week, month or year, never see that same # show up lol) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrgreen760 37785 Report post Posted February 24, 2014 If I get no response to an email or text (which are always polite) then I won't make another attempt. That being said if I do get a response further contact will be based on said response. Life is short and there are lots of options out there. Peace MG 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tallguy007 4172 Report post Posted February 25, 2014 When contacting an sp, why do you give up entirely after the first attempt didn't reach her? I'm very much on the shy side, so my initial contact will be either PM (if explicitly stated by the lady) or text (usually in the form "Hello, is this Katrina?", to confirm I have the right phone number). If I don't get something back from a text in an hour or so, I could send a follow up of the type "I suspect you're busy; feel free to text me back whenever you can". I've read here that many ladies won't text back if it's not right away so as to not embarrass the gentleman in case he's no longer in a private situation. Since I don't have that problem, I might as well let her know so she doesn't stress about it. I won't be sending a third poke, though. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Studio 110 by Sophia 150333 Report post Posted February 25, 2014 For the young hobbyist here, say under 25.... have you ever been carded by a SP/MA ? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roamingguy 300292 Report post Posted February 25, 2014 I appreciate everyone who has taken the time to ask and answer the questions. It is a LOT, and i have only browsed thru a few pages so far. :) My question is similar to cristy's list. When contacting an sp, why do you give up entirely after the first attempt didn't reach her? Speaking of phone calls but I suppose text or emails qualify, but phone calls are the most frustrating, especially if the # is blocked. One call, no message, never once trying a 2nd time, even tho my voice message suggests calling back in only 20 minutes. (even saying call back in 5 minutes, such as in the case i am checking laundry or taking out the garbage and can't take the phone). i always assume making the phone call means wanting to connect, am I wrong if the person never tries again (and sometimes i mean that literally, as in even the next day, week, month or year, never see that same # show up lol) I personally don't give up on a first attempt. Most ladies I see require emails (some have asked for a follow up phone call) On occasion I haven't received a reply from a lady. But I figure maybe the email got lost in cyberspace or something, so if I haven't heard back from the lady in a week I send another email. If no reply to the second email, well then I move on. Yes an email, a respectful email btw, means wanting to connect, but I have to assume if no reply is given, the lady doesn't want to connect with me Anyhow my two cents RG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeeRichards 177238 Report post Posted February 25, 2014 Could more of you please comment on what you will do if they implement the Nordic model? This is a real concern to many of the women here. Will you drop out of the community? What can we do to ensure that you feel safe booking? I wouldn't change too much Summer. I am already a "regular" so to speak and I enjoy extended visits......so I would probably focus more on visiting in the most part with the ladies I love spending time with already and whom all are very very dedicated to confidentiality and smart business. Therefore sorry gals.... I may become a "bigger" pain in the ass ;) I already host at my suite when I am on the road .... but would probably do more of that in my neck of the woods as it is a smaller centre, particularly if I was meeting someone new. Like anything else in life, if you are bright and sensible you can adapt to any situation life throws at us. And if I am going attempt to adapt to something it will most certainly be to continue spending time with beautiful and amazing women and getting nekkid and having orgasms cause they are healthy and keep a spring in my step :) I would probably not mass text penis pics anymore.... ya know ..... in case the "John" police are monitoring my sexts ;) 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
