hawkeyebj 130 Report post Posted February 24, 2014 I keep seeing her add, and I want to visit her would like some info before including details...you send a pm for details.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sai**rs***09 Report post Posted February 28, 2014 I've seen her. Nice lady. Gives an excellent massage and enthusiastic service. A little older, but nice firm bum! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EmilyRushton 253377 Report post Posted March 2, 2014 Curious as to how the same photos are advertising two different ladies in 2 different cities at the same time? As someone has seen her, we know she exists, however clearly there is some photo theft here by one of the ladies in these ads. Toronto: http://toronto.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/80-80-80-100-independen-asian-baby-jess-real-pic-non-rush-top-service-25/17747100 St. John's: http://stjohns.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/number-1-asian-from-korea-horny-young-and-busty-and-eager-25/2112768 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sai**rs***09 Report post Posted March 3, 2014 Yes, definitely bait and switch with the photos. With that said she still is a nice lady and is, at least in my opinion, a nice looking lady. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EmilyRushton 253377 Report post Posted March 3, 2014 Nice looking lady or not, she could use her own photos. Im sort of appalled that you or anyone would back someone using fake pictures. That is a clear insult to every lady that actually uses their own photos (and men wonder why those of us with REAL photos depicting ourselves get annoyed when people ask"are your photos real") This hobby is a fantasy not a bait and switch fairy tale. The fact people actually support women like this make me shake my head. Yes, definitely bait and switch with the photos. With that said she still is a nice lady and is, at least in my opinion, a nice looking lady. 21 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roamingguy 300292 Report post Posted March 3, 2014 I've seen her. Nice lady. Gives an excellent massage and enthusiastic service. A little older, but nice firm bum! Additional Comments: Yes, definitely bait and switch with the photos. With that said she still is a nice lady and is, at least in my opinion, a nice looking lady. Shaking my head here at anyone supporting someone doing bait and switch...bait and switch is cardinal sin number one. Imagine the disappointment, to say the least at someone booking an encounter with a lady based on her photos to find someone completely different at the door. How can you say she is a nice lady when she is misrepresenting herself. If she is a nice looking lady, why fake photos. And you vouching for her, well at a minimum it puts into question any ladies you support and recommend RG 11 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keissy hennessey 10820 Report post Posted March 4, 2014 I had my pictures stolen several several times and have to waste my precious time to watermark them now. She might be nice but stealing is stealing. When a man post his great experience with a lady who do so, and doesn't mention that fact it encourages ladies to keep on stealing copyrights and helps in no way other men. Posted via Mobile Device 12 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miss S. Lane 67128 Report post Posted March 4, 2014 I am quite surprised as well. This practice hurts women in our industry. Clients supporting this type of thievery are making things worse for SPs and clients!!! 11 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roamingguy 300292 Report post Posted March 4, 2014 I am quite surprised as well. This practice hurts women in our industry. Clients supporting this type of thievery are making things worse for SPs and clients!!! I certainly can't imagine any companion who has an encounter with this guy, if he is indeed a bona fide hobbiest, would want him writing a recommendation for her, probably do more harm than good for her RG 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hawkeyebj 130 Report post Posted March 4, 2014 thanks everyone for the info.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sai**rs***09 Report post Posted March 4, 2014 Wow guys, relax. I'm not saying I support B&S at all. I'm just attempting to answer Hawkeye's query. As a hobbyist, I'm opposed to bait and switch, but it happened anyways. It was actually my first experience with it, so wasn't quite sure how to react in the moment. Surprised by the amount of judgement this spawned. From here forward, I'll keep my opinions to myself if that's what everyone prefers. Apologies to anyone I may have offended. Additional Comments: Also, I should say that you guys raise excellent points. Guess I never considered the full ramifications. I see the error of my ways, and once again, I'll be more cautious with comments in the future. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sai**rs***09 Report post Posted March 4, 2014 Thanks Frank, I understand where I erred. Again, sorry guys - I did not intend to mislead, deceive or support thievery. I was just a little myopic and loose with my misadventures. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wolf Knight 29667 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) Well, what appeared to be an innocent inquiry and genuine answer turned into a sailorsam bashfest. Gotta love the mob mentality. I certainly don't like experiencing B&S or Pic stealing but if a client has a particular affinity/desire for Asian SP's then in St. John's they have only two choices both of which are B&S (as is unfortunately a regular occurrence with Asian providers here and in many other places). Personally, I have seen both of these "B&S, pic stealing providers" because at the time I wanted to visit with an Asian provider. I knew going in that it was likely a B&S but at the time I was only interested in visiting with an Asian provider (specifically because I desired to see a lady who was "natural") so I was willing to take a chance. Both situations, my suspicions were confirmed but after my assessment I did decide to go through with the dates. For that I am completely unapologetic. My money, my life, my decision, period. If because I revealed that I have seen these providers anyone would care to question the validity of me as a legitimate client or my reputation please go ahead and feel free to confer with any of the SP's who posted in the thread all of which I have seen and most likely Reco'd. I'll be quite blunt, among my experiences so far with "honest and legitimate providers" I can confidently say that B&S exists with ladies who do actually choose to use "their own photos" quite often. The photos are either so old or so photo-shopped that the lady who opens the door is most definitely not the lady from the pictures. For those that might say, "but it is her", that's semantics, I am not having an encounter with the lady from the picture. If asked I'll report as such. If another client asks a question on here and I have an answer I'll be honest in my response and leave the decision up to him as to what he chooses to do. Relax everyone, question asked, question answered. Cheers Just as a point of note, I should clarify Emily, Savannah and Keissy are all ladies who do go to considerable effort and cost to ensure that their photo portfolios are current and accurate. So it should not be in any way construed that I was referring to them as providers that might utilize "real but misleading photos". Edited March 5, 2014 by nlwoodchuck 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EmilyRushton 253377 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 Im really sorry you feel this was a sailorsam bash fest(clearly not the intention) however, he is a grown man and is capable of making his own choices, no one asked him to leave - I am gathering that he did not like what others had to say so he left. His choice, no one else's. What you are failing to recognize her, it that MOST of us run a legitimate business and invest ALOT of time and money into our business. Getting photos watermarked is a cost Id rather not pay for - however due to all the photo theft it is no longer an option but a must have. My photos are me and they are recent, Im sorry to anyone who shows up to see me and I don't look like a barbie doll. Im not, I'm a real human being - however there is no doubt that my photos and that goes for ALL my photos are me and have been me at one point. I make it no secret my photos are Glam photos, they are what I want to represent me and i'd personally settle for nothing less. That is far less that I can say for the lady in question that this thread was discussing. As far as Im concerned we don't even know who's stolen photos they are and imagine if they actually belong to a legit working asian SP somewhere, so not cool. See who you want and support whatever ladies you want, however the only way these ladies doing B&S are ever going to stop is if people stop booking them. Clearly the lady in question could do even better for herself if she'd just stop using stolen photos - but why should see when people book her. I for one think it is wrong to support people like this, however that is just my opinion. For the matter at hand, Sailorsam at first had zero clue there was anything wrong with backing this woman, men and women expressed otherwise - which in all honesty I thought you would have as well considering you have always seemed genuinely concerned for the Sp's on this board - maybe I thought wrong. The lady in question can't speak for herself as she is not a member and even if she was she'd probably be suspended for all the stolen photos - is that really someone to back? Photo theft and B&S is a HUGE problem and affects out business more than anyone has any idea. 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miss S. Lane 67128 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 I have personally met Sailorsam and can vouch he is a kind and respectful gentleman. Knowing this, I was surprised to see his comments regarding B&S. In addition, since when, especially within this community, is B&S something that is overlooked, forgiven or "ok"?!!! 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roamingguy 300292 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) His first post, had he left it at that, well he'd probably be fine. With subsequent posts after his first one he could have said something like "I didn't know b&s photos such a problem, thanks for informing and educating me" But his second post, where he acknowledged this SP's bait and switch and still basically said she's ok is where his credibility was gone. We have seen numerous posts by gentlemen complaining about bait and switch providers (and a b&s photo is the first step in a client getting a b&s SP) And for professional companions who take the time to provide real photos of themselves, well it is SP's like this who make the true professional companions have to deal with questions like "is this your real photo" and make life for them difficult. He wasn't bashed, but challenged on his posts. And with his apologies afterwards he would have been, IMHO, ok and could have continued on in CERB. And he could have rebuilt his reputation, and this mistake treated just as that and we move on. But he as an adult chose to leave CERB, because of this and that's was his choice. Sorry he felt the need to leave, but it was his choice And a sidebar note. A lady who is a professional companion should present herself including her own photos. Maybe she isn't a Barbie doll type woman, but you know what, not all men want to see a Barbie doll type woman. Maybe the lady the man is looking for is the one the lady really looks like. As the saying goes "there is someone for everyone" so presenting her true self is the way to go. Anyhow, a rambling RG Edited March 5, 2014 by r__m__g_uy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wolf Knight 29667 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) Personally, I don't "support" or "back" any ladies that might be using B&S and I do think that everyone should be made aware of it. Additionally, I have no idea who Sailorsam is either and have no vested interest in whether he stays on the board or not. I just think that if I (or anyone else for that matter) does happen to choose to visit with an Asian provider who has utilized B&S (in St. John's) it may not be a matter of deciding to "support" her, it may simply be a matter of "I have a particular desire to see an Asian/"natural" lady and although she's B&S in her pic's, she's the only Asian/"natural" lady in town so to have that particular desire fulfilled I have no choice but to see her". At least in my situation that's the case and I suspect it's the case for anyone else who chooses to see her. Me personally, I definitely do consciously "support" legitimate ladies, specifically Cerb ladies when they visit St. John's or I choose to travel. In fact if a Cerb lady chooses to go through the hassle and expense visit St. John's I often go out of my way to see her even if it wasn't originally my plan. So I do genuinely understand the issues ladies face in this industry and do wholeheartedly support all of them that strive to provide superior experiences for us clients. So in summation, B&S is bad! Have great day everyone :) Edited March 5, 2014 by nlwoodchuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hawkeyebj 130 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 I seriously didnt know that my naive query will fuel this much comment storm....I really want to thank all the ppl for info, and at a point feeling bad for sailorsam for his instant reply which unintentionally stirred the waters for him...... I should thank savannah, emily, keissy you do take lot of efforts to maintain your profile accurately, I have seen only savannah out of them and I will say her pictures are upto date....Using your own uptodate pictures I strongly support that fact as I dont want any hidden surprises at last moment. Thank you guys once again and I have completely dropped the idea to see her..... 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fortunateone 156618 Report post Posted March 5, 2014 I wasn't going to comment, but the whole B&S thing, it is true that photo theft is theft, bottom line. It isn't just misrepresentation, the person using stolen pics is a THIEF and should be held criminally responsible, imo. But I did see his posts as saying, hey she's a nice person and i'd go back to see her which is fair enough, regardless of fake pics drawing him in the first place. What he could have done, and it really isn't client's responsibility to school sps, but he could have said, hey, nice to meet you, i had a nice time, but if you continue to post stolen photos, I won't be back because i can't support thieves. I think that might encourage sps to use their own owned photos more than just going, paying, and then returned all over again. And we don't see it on cerb, but most review sites do encourage the use of fake pics, and B&S, because from those they get lower rates and high services, and for them that is the payoff. So they encourage others to use the same setups (usually agency/micros) with fake pics, fake ages, fake everything except the posted rates and services, so much lower and more expansive than the nonBS posters are being supported. It used to be a review site was meant to expose fake pics, B&S and fake age postings, but it is clearly changed to mean that for a large number of users, it is a weapon against higher rate more honest and safer sps to show them this is the way to get busier, and thereby get more reviews, by lower rates and higher services. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
