mrrnice2 157005 Report post Posted April 3, 2014 Once again this is a perfect example of the fact that existing criminal code laws can and will deal with the aspects of the law that most of us fully agree with. A new prostitution law is not needed. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ice4fun 78407 Report post Posted April 3, 2014 If the female involved was 15 then I hope they prosecute him to the full extent of the law. This Hobby / business is about sexual activity and companionship between consenting ADULTS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midnite-Energies 110563 Report post Posted April 3, 2014 The assumption from the wording is that this girl must have chosen to do this on her own and trafficking or pimping wasn't involved however considering her age, you would think that there would be some sort of intervention. It's disturbing that a 15 year old selling herself is glazed over in favor of the guy buying when this aspect is just as upsetting. I do hope there is more to this story because the way it's written will have those against prostitution up in arms that this girl is being permitted to do this with no intervention. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ice4fun 78407 Report post Posted April 3, 2014 The assumption from the wording is that this girl must have chosen to do this on her own and trafficking or pimping wasn't involved however considering her age, you would think that there would be some sort of intervention. It's disturbing that a 15 year old selling herself is glazed over in favor of the guy buying when this aspect is just as upsetting. I do hope there is more to this story because the way it's written will have those against prostitution up in arms that this girl is being permitted to do this with no intervention. I hope you did not think I glazed over the young lady... this to me is where the government should be using their resources to support underrated sex workers (whether by choice or pressure).i I my opinion someone who is 15 has not had the life experiences necessary to make this type if life choice. I know people will talk about the age of consent and the various cultural issues... all I can say is that my opinion is it is too young. Just my opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FunValerie 8573 Report post Posted April 3, 2014 I agree that the lady is too young. The present law deals with this issue. There is not a need for more laws. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Juice 2105 Report post Posted April 4, 2014 Am I the only one who finds the wording of the last paragraph odd? It sounds like the cop believes the Nordic law is already in place Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ice4fun 78407 Report post Posted April 4, 2014 Regardless of which laws are in place or even if the young lady was doing this by choice what she needs is support so that she fully understands her decisions and is not being taken advantage of. I see this as a child protection issue and not a criminal code issue for the young lady. If she was forced into prostution then bring the full force of our criminal justice system down on the pimp or trafficker. Adults should be allowed to choose to work in the sex industry children could not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scribbles 6031 Report post Posted April 4, 2014 I'm always playing devil's advocate, so why not one more time? 15 is too young. Some have alluded to life experience, which is a little problematic as some have lived more life by 15 than others by 20. Simply put, an age of majority has been set, and this girl doesn't meet that requirement. I have to ask, though, how any woman can make an informed decision/choice to work in this industry? It's not like there are "take your kid to work" days, career shadowing, job fairs or somesuch where someone outside the industry can really learn what it means to do this kind of work. How, then, does someone become informed of the pros and cons in order to choose? Don't say this board; part of the problem is how a person would figure out what resources there actually are, in order to make use of them. Sorry for the hijack. I just feel this question is overlooked when we talk about girls, like this 15 year old, and their capacity to "choose." 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midnite-Energies 110563 Report post Posted April 4, 2014 My point is the writer of the article either specifically chose to not take the article further or ignore part of the story that took into account the well being of this 15 year old. Anyone against prostitution, especially those who equate sex work with trafficking, with get to the end and see that "it's okay to be a prostitute at 15 because the Supreme Court ruled down existing laws" The big issue is what was not said. As for life experience at 15, yes, some people can have a lot of life experience by then but are the able to emotionally handle it and make a serious choice for their life at that point? Not to mention the fact there are laws in place for those under 16 and sex work at 18. I for one would like to know this girl was taken care of. Any person making a choice like this at 15 has something going on in their life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ice4fun 78407 Report post Posted April 4, 2014 I'm always playing devil's advocate, so why not one more time? 15 is too young. Some have alluded to life experience, which is a little problematic as some have lived more life by 15 than others by 20. Simply put, an age of majority has been set, and this girl doesn't meet that requirement. I have to ask, though, how any woman can make an informed decision/choice to work in this industry? It's not like there are "take your kid to work" days, career shadowing, job fairs or somesuch where someone outside the industry can really learn what it means to do this kind of work. How, then, does someone become informed of the pros and cons in order to choose? Don't say this board; part of the problem is how a person would figure out what resources there actually are, in order to make use of them. Sorry for the hijack. I just feel this question is overlooked when we talk about girls, like this 15 year old, and their capacity to "choose." I agree that in reality people mature at different ages and yes I am sure if we looked we could find a 15 year old who is better informed and equipped to make this type if decision them some people twice her age... i would suggest however that in general that would not be the case of mist 15 year olds. As for how does one become informed.... well we all have to make decisions in our lives without all the information.... we have to take the time and do our research and think the issue through. In my experience I am much better at doing this now that I am in my 50's than I was as a teenager.... my life experiences has given me a huge data base of information that I can rely on as I think my way through. The real problem in this industry is that because if the stigma associated with the work adults (not 15 year olds) can't do the types of valuable research that would be possible in a the other Legal workplaces. Just my opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jafo105 39057 Report post Posted April 4, 2014 I think this girl's parents or legal guardians should also be held accountable in some way. I also had some problems with the way this news article was written. There was too much bias. The reporter and the police are supposed to report facts and let the readers form their own opinions. ___________________________________________ There is a reason the law says 18. Psychologically, the average person does not reach full maturity until they are between 18 and 21 years of age. I think it is better to have laws err on the side of caution and protect everyone under the age of 18. Like we currently have here in Canada. Give this link a good read. You may be surprised as to how little we really know about our own laws. Age of Consent to Sexual Activity - Department of Justice http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/other-autre/clp/faq.html Did you read the last one about Sex Tourism - having sex outside of Canada - you are still subject to prosecution in Canada. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midnite-Energies 110563 Report post Posted April 4, 2014 Which means this girl did break the law as those under 18 cannot consent to prostitution. That had nothing to do with the supreme court decision. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jafo105 39057 Report post Posted April 4, 2014 Which means this girl did break the law as those under 18 cannot consent to prostitution. That had nothing to do with the supreme court decision. I don't believe so. The short answer. The 15 year old girl cannot consent to prostitution but she can consent to sexual activity provided the other person is less than five years older than her. The law is clear that the responsibility is placed on the older person receiving the sexual services to know that the other person is of legal age ( 18 ) to engage in sexual activity for the purpose of prostitution. Her parents or legal guardian could be found legally responsible for her actions if she broke any laws. But the Crown has only gone this route in extreme cases. IF the Crown believes that her crime was heinous or she is a repeat offender, they could charge her as an adult - but this is unlikely to happen. I believe that the police and reporter were trying to cloud the real issues of this case. I have my own speculations as to what really went down. But I will keep them to myself. Supposition not yet supported in facts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fortunateone 156618 Report post Posted April 4, 2014 So the girl would've been charged if the old laws were still in effect? My question on that part of the report is what exactly would they have planned to charge her with? She can't be charged with being an underage sp, it isn't illegal for her to do it, just for clients to partake. She obviously wasn't providing an incall, so no bawdy house. And she wasn't caught soliciting in public, because she was caught in car with the client. Sounds like a lame empty threat to make themselves sound like heroes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jafo105 39057 Report post Posted April 4, 2014 My question on that part of the report is what exactly would they have planned to charge her with? She can't be charged with being an underage sp, it isn't illegal for her to do it, just for clients to partake. She obviously wasn't providing an incall, so no bawdy house. And she wasn't caught soliciting in public, because she was caught in car with the client. Sounds like a lame empty threat to make themselves sound like heroes. I think that if they wanted to, the police can still charge them for having sex in a car. The car was in a public place and in plane site of others. That would be an Indecent Acts (section 173 of the CCC). http://yourlaws.ca/criminal-code-canada/173-indecent-acts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fortunateone 156618 Report post Posted April 4, 2014 that's true, but can you criminally charge someone who is under 17? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jafo105 39057 Report post Posted April 4, 2014 that's true, but can you criminally charge someone who is under 17? It all depends on what the offence(s) are. They can be charged as either juvenile offenders or adults. It all comes down to how strong of evidence the Crown Attorney has. There is a recent case in Ottawa, where two 15 year old girls were charged as minors (I believe). But there was also a 17 year old girl and she was charged and Convicted as an adult for Human Trafficking, Robbery, Forcible Confinement, Sexual Assault, Assault, Child Luring, and Distributing Child Pornography. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/01/29/ottawa_teen_girl_found_guilty_on_30_charges_in_pimping_case.html http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2012/06/11/ottawa_teen_girls_charged_with_prostitution_abduction.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
