Guest **cely***r***ne Report post Posted April 9, 2014 Hello all! I am starting to dabble in the art of Massage. I would like to know your opinion on a couple of things. How important is it to you that the masseuse is professional in the way of having a certificate on their wall? Do you find a difference between having a certificate or if they are just plain good at what they do? Having said that, do you think it is professional if the certified masseuse also offers HE? I am just pondering these things, because I would love to offer massage as a side dish, so to speak, along with my Reiki and GFE. Please feel free to let me know your opinions! Thank you <3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
O'Cahla 4352 Report post Posted April 9, 2014 I've been a regular frequenter of both types of massage specialists and can honestly say the certificate means nothing to me if the skills are there. And as far as offering any extras? that would be my PERFECT professional, one who has great massage skills AND can delve into those other delicious areas. Some might consider any add ons unprofessional, but for me they simply make an already great experience that much better Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scribbles 6031 Report post Posted April 9, 2014 I think the certificate is really about therapeutic massage and insurance billing, more than skill. A relaxation massage or massage that *isn't* intended to be paid for by an insurance provider would be all about the skill of the person giving the massage and creating the experience. That wouldn't be diminished by a HE. A registered masseuse offering therapeutic massage and the possibility of a receipt for insurance would be a different story. While the client probably wouldn't argue with a HE (I know I wouldn't!,) it would be contrary to the ethics of the regulatory body and could lead to problems. Just my thoughts. ;) 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iceman1 144 Report post Posted April 9, 2014 For me, skill is what is more important not the certificate. I say give it a try if you believe you are good at it. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fortunateone 156618 Report post Posted April 9, 2014 If you aren't certified, it won't matter for an erotic massage. But if you want to learn great massage skills, then definitely take some sort of course. That will fast track your abilities. i've honed mine over several years, trial and error and common sense, but if you are able to provide a trained massage for a longer period of time on a massage table, you can pretty much name your price for some guys. A lot of guys are only looking for massage and HE, but their emphasis is on the quality and duration of the massage, along with erotic sensuality and anticipation factors. Not a lot of people can do a longer and good massage, or have the interest in doing it. So guys look until they find someone, and stick with her until she moves or retires, which is fairly frequent. you would probably see a significant increase in new clients if you advertised any non full service HE sessions. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midnite-Energies 110563 Report post Posted April 9, 2014 Penelope, you are beautiful and give of yourself. A certificate means nothing because if you look at what it says, it is limited. Learning, growing and providing a genuine service is what's important. If you approach things with pleasure and enjoyment in mind and begin to hone your techniques, the paper won't matter. I say go for it and with the same enthusiasm you do everything. It can only add to what you have already established. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ice4fun 78407 Report post Posted April 10, 2014 I agree unless I was hoping to get the service paid by my insurance....some hopes. lol... the certificate us not a deal breaker the service and connection is. I am not saying that training us not needed just that I would not be looking for the certificate as part of my booking. Just my opinion Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CristyCurves 169032 Report post Posted April 10, 2014 I would think that a certificate would only change the way you could label yourself, not determine a level of professionalism or quality of service, only you can do that, a certificate can't. I'm not sure what He stands for, can anyone elaborate. But being professional isn't determined by the types of services provided it's determined by how you conduct yourself with your clientele, imo and by your reputation, you'll be and do just fine:) 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lilly 10171 Report post Posted April 10, 2014 Good Morning Beautiful In Canada, you must have completed a 2200 Massage Therapy program education with electives (3000 in BC). You will have to know all the body muscles, their actions. location, organ functions, struture and pathologies. You will also cover the body organ systems including know what and where veins, artiries, lymp node passage, etc. Massage training is mostly how to treat & prevent injuries/maintain functions of movement, work with clients of know pathologies & dysfunctions. You will learn what direction and beginning/end of muscle and those underneath. It is an intense university level traiing. Very little on reference for spa time massage. Just for clarification.. Massage = Health care professional, trained and registered MT Masseuse = sex industry The first goal of massage therapy and what is basically taught in the program is to do no harm. With education, from cellular to pathologies and death, every inch of the body is included. It is quite easy to injure someone if you are not familair with the anatomy, functions, could quite possibly hurt someone. Biology, chemistry and pathologies, pathologies, pathologies. Most spa's now require massage training in order to work. I am trained, certified massage theripist but not registered. Under no circumstances would I dis-regard or disrespect the work involved in the program as health care professionals. The massage therapy association has work so hard to rise above society's view of massage therapy (sex in a back room). Finally having it listed under the health care system. My opinion of a RMT offering anything sexual in nature, doesn't care nor respect the hard work that RMTs put in to ensure better health for society. If you love biological science, how the body works then I would recommend you call a school, talk to the students, there are lots of educational videos on massage therapy Hope this helps xoxo Lilly 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
newboy 4919 Report post Posted April 10, 2014 A beautiful woman that has good hands and knows how to use them needs no certificate!! My opinion. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest **cely***r***ne Report post Posted April 10, 2014 Thank you everyone for your input!! I have alot of friends and family who come to see me with aches and pains..headaches and stress tension and after awhile I began to think..'man, if they enjoy it that much, maybe I can offer it to my lovely clientele.' I was only worried that without taking courses and the like, I couldn't really offer it. (it is different when your sister comes with a headache and you massage her scalp. kind of 'at your own risk'.) I wouldn't be looking into deep tissue or massage for certain issues at all. That might come in time.. But for now, the sensual massage sounds better and better! I have a massage table and chair just waiting.. So lets get them used shall we?! Love and Light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fortunateone 156618 Report post Posted April 10, 2014 I like the 'do no harm' caution. I do not have a massage table, but if i did i would not put pressure anywhere near the neck and currently, for a variety of reasons, do not do arms, hands or feet. A friend uses exfoliation gloves on feet, which it seems a lot of guys like, but you'd also have to require showering and foot cleaning prior to offering foot massage. I don't think you'd have to do anything special to say you do a scalp massage, few will turn that down either. The thing about having a table and some experience and related training is that it would be possible for you to do a full foot to scalp massage session at minimum 1 hour, up to 1.5 or 2 hours,. And that of course is a higher charge, and maybe not a lot will opt in for this, but having something more than an hour is always a good idea in massage sessions. By traiing, i don't mean go out and get certified, but take a layman's course at night school or a day long workshop or something, to get some information and techniques and dos and don'ts. After that you find some clients who are willling guinea pigs for shorter sessions at lower rates until you feel very confident about what you can or cannot do. Feedback from clients is a great way to learn about the erotic and sensual part. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ne**gu*** Report post Posted April 11, 2014 Let me know when you do. I'll be first in line Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest S***dst*** Report post Posted April 11, 2014 The certificate only allows clients to apply insurance towards paying for the treatment. That being said, if you are caught doing "extras" after obtaining the certificate, you will have it removed, be fined and prosecuted for professional misconduct. I have this certification, so I know all about this stuff. However I do not recall if Nova Scotia is regulated or not. If it's not, the certificate really means nothing...at all... All that aside, I know many people who have the certificate; and many who tried for it and failed to obtain one. In both groups, there are people I would easily choose as my therapist over others in either. Being a good therapist is more than just training. Granted it does help quite a bit, it's not everything. I've found the best therapists are the ones who can hear/feel what their client's body is telling them and use that in combination with their skills. Also, patience. Patience is the king of relaxation massages. Their body will tell you what it wants, your hand have to tell it what you want it to feel. This is known as "transference" You transfer your emotions to people all the time, this situation is no different If your hands are racing around and fidgety, they will feel rushed and uneasy. If your are distant and retracted, you will not make a connection. On the male-client side of a massage, I can tell when a woman just wants me in and out by all of these tiny details. Is she using the full surface of her hands or just her fingers? Is she standing close to the table? Is her posture stiff and protective? You can also tell if she's really into it the same way. Words can deceive but the body never lies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest **cely***r***ne Report post Posted April 12, 2014 Being a Reiki practitioner, I totally understand that my hands tell me what to do! It has taught me to trust myself. And I am confidant in my ability to be patient and give a very relaxing massage. I am so grateful for all of your input! You've really helped me a lot! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
THD2014 160 Report post Posted April 12, 2014 In my opinion, I love to have a nice massage to relax me and also to get to know the lady. There is only so much small talk you can have before you ask what other things you offer? Lol. The best times I have had was when I got to talk to the lady and ask any and all question right before we get into it. So In short having a great massage as an option is a benefit for both. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midnite-Energies 110563 Report post Posted April 12, 2014 I didn't know you practiced Reiki Penelope. That's awesome! It will go hand in hand with massage work especially the sensual side of it. I am more the Eden style and like you, let my hands do the walking and talking. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gentleman11 10508 Report post Posted April 14, 2014 From my simple layman's view, a certificate equals something more clinical and a massage includes personality, enjoyment and a HE! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RubJunky 1954 Report post Posted April 14, 2014 In all my years living on this planet I have used the services of many non-certified people such as mechanics, MS IT guru's, Mac IT guru's, contractors, electricians, painters, roofers, designers, landscapers and most of all MA's, and have performed their skill or trade as professional as asked. I find that many non-certified people in their profession do a better job than certified trades people, that said I have had many certified people preach to me how I should not hire non certified tradesmen to do these services because they don't know what they are doing, they cheat the system and you are not getting what you paid for. On all counts these are wrong and like the massage/masseuse industry there is no difference, if you are good at what you do, love what you do then no certificate can compliment your services. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest **cely***r***ne Report post Posted April 16, 2014 I didn't know you practiced Reiki Penelope. That's awesome! It will go hand in hand with massage work especially the sensual side of it. I am more the Eden style and like you, let my hands do the walking and talking. Yes! I LOVE Reiki. I have never been more grounded, spiritual and well just friggen happy in all my life! I am also getting certificates in Crystal Healing as well. I really think just going with the sensual side to this is more my 'cup of tea'. I couldn't stand to just massage and not "get into" it if you catch my drift ;) and yes...my hands know just what they are doing... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fable 953 Report post Posted April 16, 2014 Every part of penny knows whats it doing. Going to have to try the massage next time i visit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
