I'm going to say it!

[CristyCurves 169032]

Now before I open my mouth I want to say that I love Montreal and the Quebecquois and that this isn't a put down but a sincere question and observation and that there are exceptions, but in general it's my experience independently and when I was involved with services, that Quebec men, especially Montreal men never want to pay "the going rate" for an encounter, they seem to expect more for less when here.... why? A typical response I've always gotten was I can get it in Montreal for $$ so... But if that were the only reason then I'd think that the many other well travelled gents that call and can get it for $$ in Thailand, Germany, N.B or where ever would be saying the same thing?

[Guest **sh****he***ac***th]

I'm from Montreal originally and I have never tried to play "Let's Make a Deal" or negotiate with any lady using the "I can get it for $... in Montreal" line. I am, however, aware that this tactic has been and continues to be used by some men. Over the years I have found donation rates fluctuate depending upon location and they are what they are. We are each individuals and I take each situation on a case by case basis without generalizations.

[CristyCurves 169032]

We are each individuals and I take each situation on a case by case basis without generalizations.

 

True, true and we all should :) but it happens so much that it's hard not to generalize and so much that I expect to hear it as soon as I hear a French accent, even though I know that a French accent doesn't necessarily mean they are from Quebec. It's a shame, but again, when something happens more often than not it becomes an expectation and I suppose a judgement:(

[Guest **sh****he***ac***th]

I get it and understand especially when it happens on a continual basis as we get a bad rap for it. Clue them in on the facts of life and on the current situation.

 

 

True, true and we all should :) but it happens so much that it's hard not to generalize and so much that I expect to hear it as soon as I hear a French accent, even though I know that a French accent doesn't necessarily mean they are from Quebec. It's a shame, but again, when something happens more often than not it becomes an expectation and I suppose a judgement:(

[kitty kat canada 120]

Well there are desperate girls and there are girls who just don't need to be. So the fluctuation of pricing I believe just comes from that. Also self respect. If a girls knows who and how valuable she is then she really doesn't need to negotiate. That's a big period.

But then again there are guys who have great jobs and some that don't. I myself understand not everyone has money. So it's hard but I guess we just need to feel out some situation. Cause all guys have their needs.

[jafo105 39057]

If I was a SP (which I am not) this would be my friendly Canadian response:

• Enjoy your drive back to where ever it is you came from.
  
• Have a nice day [CLICK]
  
• Welcome to {insert city/province here}!
  
• Regulars get the extra perks. Out of towners pay full price!
  
• Your not in {insert city/province here} any more.
  
• I am sorry, you must have me confused with {inset political leader name here}
  
• Sorry!
  
• Sorry! Eh!
  
• Good day, Eh!
  

 

Don't get me wrong I like the province of Quebec and all their great contributions to this awesome country -- CANADA.

• Montreal City was founded in May 17, 1642.
  
• Quebec City was founded in 1608.
  
• Province of Quebec was founded in 1763.
  
• Earliest french explores to Acadia in Canada was around 1604 {?}
  
• Many, many other great contributions through out history
  

[Ice4fun 78407]

Just my two cents ....and i'm not an SP so i may have no idea what I am talking about but I'm not sure ths is a Quebec thing.... I think there are disrespectful guys in all parts of Canada who would never think to haggle with other service providers but think it's ok for sex industry workers...

 

Just my opinion

[Highsexdrivebabe 11800]

Coucou sexy, je suis Québécoise and I have heard from a friend escort in Mtl that might write here later that the major pb in Mtil is agencies that R offering VERY low wages so U must suffer from that darling.

 

But must admit that here for example in the NCR, I am in Gatineau, 819 clients R cheap!!!! But I do have excellent 819 regulars that just follow and don't say a word when I raise my wages.

 

Was told by that friend not to even bother travel to Montreal that much and I have now decided I won't myself because of what she told me.

 

Go to other cities babe!

 

Barbara

xxxxooo

[JessicaSugarbabe 1687]

I do agree 100 percent with this post. Even though this is not always the case, it seems to be the majority. In these situations I often receive the same response that you have, or I get "well I will only be 10 miniutes" after clearly quoting my donation rates. (10 min session was not one I offered?)

 

It's like going to a store to buy $100 pair of jeans. then telling the store clerk that you only want to pay $50 because you only plan on wearing them once.

[Ice4fun 78407]

It's like going to a store to buy $100 pair of jeans. then telling the store clerk that you only want to pay $50 because you only plan on wearing them once.

 

Love that comment.... lol

[Guest R**3*9]

One of the companies I work with operates out of Montreal and this is referring to general business not specific to your particular business CC...

 

As an honest pay your bills Haligonian I was shocked by what seems to be common business practice in Quebec...for my company it works like this...

 

Negotiate a rate....

Get the work done....

Don't pay and renegotiate the rate again...

 

I find it very frustrating in civilian business...I don't know if this is everywhere or just with my company but it may indicate a mind set that is not uncommon.

[piano8950 32577]

I can't speak for Quebec, but I can say that in some places, not negotiating for a better rate is just something a dumb person would do. It's highly expected, rates are created accordingly, and everything is fair game.

 

I've never been one to negotiate, I'm absolutely rubbish at it, but I know people that have gone to Home Depot and asked for a better deal on a lawn mower (and got one!).

 

There are three ways I dealt with negotiators for my business.

 

- The first way was actually reduce my rates. I found that made me angry and put too much pressure on myself while feeling silly

- I moved on to ignoring them completely

- My standard procedure now is telling them all prices are final. Some people are cheap, and I want them to go away. Some have a negotiating gene inbuilt, but back down and become great clients.

 

But I always ask for a deposit on signing, and then the remainder when I show up.

[CristyCurves 169032]

I can't speak for Quebec, but I can say that in some places, not negotiating for a better rate is just something a dumb person would do.

 

But this isn't any business and negotiating in THIS business is frowned upon, considered rude and not wanted. Because a person gets a lot of negotiators doesn't necessarily mean their rates are to high, it simply means they get contacted by a lot of ill mannered, cheap men. I won't say dumb because smart men negotiate as well:)

[roamingguy 300292]

Getting flashbacks to the negotiating thread. Just because in life some businesses and services are open to negotiating DOESN'T mean every business and service is open to negotiating. And especially in this lifestyle, the ladies operate a business and provide a very unique service, unlike any other. So SP's do not nor should not get compared to other businesses, theirs is a very unique business and profession.

The ladies who let a "man" haggle with him so he can have an encounter as cheap as possible are likely those who live paycheque to paycheque, and need the money to make rent, pay bills, put food on the table and so on. Those ladies aren't financially in a position to refuse the haggler. They are economically forced to put up with the hagglers, and the hagglers exploit, yes exploit these ladies

Gentlemen in this lifestyle should be paying the lady's rate in full. If they can't afford her rate, then don't call the lady. That way she is free to book another client, one who will pay in full, no haggling. Haggling is akin to shortchanging the lady. How would any of these hagglers like it if they were shortchanged by their employers and they had problems paying the bills because of it

Whether just unique to Montreal or not I don't know. But if the lady charges a going rate, that is what is paid. It's not complicated, not rocket science, just respect, common sense and common decency.

A morning rambling from someone who doesn't haggle

 

RG

[Midnite-Energies 110563]

When you are paying for an intimate encounter that involves sharing both your and someone elses' body, you are in fact negotiating and haggling over the value of a PERSON which is not the same as haggling a better price on an air conditioner or lawn rake.

 

Inanimate objects bought and sold have a cost associated and most have mark up's. This is not the same as a person who is taking the time to clean and straighten, shower, do hair and make up, chose clothing and give the best experience possible.

 

Never reduce a person to an inanimate object. Buy a blow up doll or fleshlight instead if that is the value you have for another person, including yourself.

[roamingguy 300292]

When you are paying for an intimate encounter that involves sharing both your and someone elses' body, you are in fact negotiating and haggling over the value of a PERSON which is not the same as haggling a better price on an air conditioner or lawn rake.

 

Inanimate objects bought and sold have a cost associated and most have mark up's. This is not the same as a person who is taking the time to clean and straighten, shower, do hair and make up, chose clothing and give the best experience possible.

 

Never reduce a person to an inanimate object. Buy a blow up doll or fleshlight instead if that is the value you have for another person, including yourself.

 

Well put Tracie. And being a professional companion is more than, at least in my experience and opinion, just being a provider of sex. A lady has to give of herself metaphorically speaking, body mind and soul. That is why no two encounters are the same, each is unique. Even repeat encounters with the same companion, well they evolve and grow.

What the donation is for is for the lady's time, confidentiality and for no strings attached. But with that said, an encounter has a value far exceeding what the lady asks for in donation

If a potential client can't or won't pay the lady's donation, then like Tracie said, get a blow up doll, fleshlight, or just some lubricant (or spit) and your hand. Don't devalue a lady though because your cheap

Another rambling

 

RG

[McMonkey 456]

I really don't understand people trying to haggle on the price. "Hey, before we do this intimate thing, I just want to say I don't think you're worth what you think you're worth." Seems like a pretty surefire way to make your mileage vary.

 

It's possible those people don't understand the impact of such actions. Or else they just don't give a crap if the person they're with actually wants to be there and mutual respect doesn't factor into their enjoyment. The second option seems a bit sociopathic and kind of creeps me out.

 

I don't have a lot of spare money but simply wouldn't enjoy myself if I had to devalue another person to get my kicks.

[Highsexdrivebabe 11800]

Hi Roaminguy, I do have some clients (819 clients as we call them as a matter of fact) that do live paycheque to paycheque and struggle but have never asked me lo lower my wages but rather tell me I am saving my money to cum and see U. Of course, they don't cum see me every week but I admire them and when they cum and see me I really do give them the experience of a lifetime until they cum and see me again!

[peacectryguy 12547]

Ramble on RG, it's all good, lol. Seriously though, it is so true. To the guys who do this, some things to remember. YOU called her, YOU requested the service, YOU are the one looking for this. She did not initiate contact or try to hard sell (pun very much intended) you. Trying to haggle is rude, disrespectful and utterly pointless. Go back to where ever it is that you get that "better deal" or go home. When you have contacted a lady that offers a much better experience than you are obvious accustomed to, expect to compensate her accordingly. As a matter of fact, bring extra for the tip you should need to give for this wonderful experience. They might not want to come work in the oil patch if they don't like inflation.

 

As for generalizing, it's usually not a good idea but, in this case, it seems to be a trend.

 

 

ps. My guess is the ones who haggle are the ones who can afford it anyway. That seems to be my experience in all walks of life. I get it with my work as a plumber too.

[piano8950 32577]

But this isn't any business and negotiating in THIS business is frowned upon, considered rude and not wanted.

 

 

You don't have to convince me on this. I agree. I'll put it this way, in the culture I grew up with, everything was negotiated on. This led to services and goods having an inflated price in anticipation for the bargaining.

 

I've noticed that in North America, bargaining is something that people genuinely are uncomfortable with it (and I'm not talking about buying a car, or a house). My parents were probably one of the very few who hated the concept, and I grew up the same.

 

But since you said this:

...especially Montreal men never want to pay "the going rate" for an encounter, they seem to expect more for less when here.... why? A typical response I've always gotten was I can get it in Montreal for $$ so...

 

In my last post I mentioned that I have to deal with the occasional hagglers. What I didn't say was that those clients have almost exclusively been from a particular part of the world (where I came from actually). As a new immigrant, and gradually over the years, I've noticed that Quebec culture is very different from the rest of US and Canada. I can't speak on the exact matter on negotiating, but with what you mentioned about Montreal men, one can conclude that either Montreal is full of cheap men, or there is a cultural aspect that drives this, or something completely different. You asked why, and just putting forward a theory that seems a bit familiar.

 

My two pennies.

[Andee 220524]

This type of bargaining is not limited to the Quebecois or people from Montreal or Gatineau or la belle province period.

 

When guys talk like this, I say to them that perhaps they best wait until they are back in their home town to see a lady and bid them a nice day.

 

Likewise I have had gentlemen from Montreal who drove 2 hours to see me and not once tried to bargain my rate. So I personally don't tend to generalize about clients from Montreal or Quebec period.

 

I have had plenty of guys from right here in Ottawa say the same thing to me. Well so and so only charges this. Or I can get it in Montreal for this. Same response - then go see them.

 

Bargain hunters are everywhere and it has nothing to do with the "supposed going rate" (which in my opinion does not exist). But yes, if you peruse the ads for Montreal, rates vary according to provider and services just like anywhere else.

[CristyCurves 169032]

This type of bargaining is not limited to the Quebecois or people from Montreal or Gatineau or la belle province period.

 

When guys talk like this, I say to them that perhaps they best wait until they are back in their home town to see a lady and bid them a nice day.

 

Likewise I have had gentlemen from Montreal who drove 2 hours to see me and not once tried to bargain my rate. So I personally don't tend to generalize about clients from Montreal or Quebec period.

 

I have had plenty of guys from right here in Ottawa say the same thing to me. Well so and so only charges this. Or I can get it in Montreal for this. Same response - then go see them.

 

Bargain hunters are everywhere and it has nothing to do with the "supposed going rate" (which in my opinion does not exist). But yes, if you peruse the ads for Montreal, rates vary according to provider and services just like anywhere else.

 

Thanks Angela for your opinion and explaining your experience with the lovely gents of "La Belle Province". But obviously yours is not the same as mine, hence this thread:) Most human beings generalize when they experience the same thing with the same persons over and over and over again. Especially when the over and over again is the consistent majority, it becomes very hard not to, good or bad:)

As far as "supposed going rates" I think it fair to assume such when most gfe providers are between $$&$$. One could then assume the going rate was just that or there about's :) But then again I suppose we should never assume anything;)

[Andee 220524]

Thanks Angela for your opinion and explaining your experience with the lovely gents of "La Belle Province". But obviously yours is not the same as mine, hence this thread:) Most human beings generalize when they experience the same thing with the same persons over and over and over again. Especially when the over and over again is the consistent majority, it becomes very hard not to, good or bad:)

As far as "supposed going rates" I think it fair to assume such when most gfe providers are between 250-350. One could then assume the going rate was just that or there about's :) But then again I suppose we should never assume anything;)

 

 

Just a reminder that we're not supposed to discuss rates on cerb, but just so you know, my hourly incall Ottawa rate less than what you have quoted in your opinion as "the going rate".

 

I suggest you tread lightly with this topic because you will never get everyone to agree with that the "going rate" is, in Ottawa, Halifax or anywhere else.

 

My last word on a very delicate subject.

[CristyCurves 169032]

Just a reminder that we're not supposed to discuss rates on cerb, but just so you know, my hourly incall Ottawa rate less than what you have quoted in your opinion as "the going rate".

 

I suggest you tread lightly with this topic because you will never get everyone to agree with that the "going rate" is, in Ottawa, Halifax or anywhere else.

 

My last word on a very delicate subject.

 

 

Lol, thanks, my oopsy. But why wouldn't you have pm'ed this as you did the other info instead of quoting so my mistake is obvious even after my change. Anyway I stick to my point, and admittedly make assumptions and generalizations, you did know I 'm not perfect;)

[Gabriella Laurence 301887]

I can't speak on the exact matter on negotiating, but with what you mentioned about Montreal men, one can conclude that either Montreal is full of cheap men, or there is a cultural aspect that drives this, or something completely different. You asked why, and just putting forward a theory that seems a bit familiar.

My two pennies.

Since I am from Montreal (born and raised) and since I've been a companion for a few years and have experienced different markets (local, out of town, out of province markets), I can tell you this:

 

- The Montreal adult/SP industry is over saturated and has been for quite a long time

- To stay competitive, a lot of ladies (but not all) and agencies will drop their price and offer more "services". This is where the supposed VFM (value for money) comes in. A fair amount of the guys all want the "best", the most beautiful (whatever that is), the most reviewed, the most popular, the most (insert whatever you'd like here), the most services included in the price and that, for the cheapest rate possible.

 

The mentality is: If I can have sex with (insert lady's name here) that is highly reviewed and is (insert her qualities here) and provides (insert all the services here), why should I pay a penny more for someone else? If the lady they are contacting doesn't fit that "perfect" standard and doesn't hold that same "status", then they think they should be paying less for her. Not for her time but for her (yeah, lovely). Just read some other boards and you'll see what I'm talking about.

 

My general observation is that these guys are just looking to "get off" with someone who they think is "hot" (and not much else), for as little as possible..

 

Are Montreal men cheap? No, not at all but when it comes to the SP industry, some will pick according to perceived VFM and some will pick the actual lady they are truly interested in spending time with.

 

I guess this is true and can be said about many other large cities too.