Phaedrus 209521 Report post Posted May 16, 2014 That seems like a huge response for this sort of thing. Is it? Anyone know? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roamingguy 300292 Report post Posted May 16, 2014 That seems like a huge response for this sort of thing. Is it? Anyone know? Not a statistician here and I've forgotten my basic stats course from university, but CERB has 45,895 members, of which 11,275 are active members. Then there are the other escort review boards across Canada to factor in as well and their members who may have responded. And it has also been mentioned in blogs so clients may have read and replied through the blogs. Now on the down side, there are those who disagree with us and who may wish escorting/prostitution be abolished completely who also may have replied. So 30,000 replies, I really don't know if that is low, high or average RG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cute0aza0Button 21399 Report post Posted May 16, 2014 That seems like a huge response for this sort of thing. Is it? Anyone know? According to their comparison it is. I'm anxious to hear the results Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phaedrus 209521 Report post Posted May 16, 2014 I did :icon_razz: The only thing I can conclude from the single, much smaller data-point was given as a comparison is that the author wants the reader to believe the response to this one was very large. This may or may not bear any relation to where it actually stands in comparison to consultations in general... which was why I asked. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FunValerie 8573 Report post Posted May 16, 2014 No control for duplicate responses so this is an exercise in meaninglessness. I recall that from stats class a long time ago. Imagine an election where you do not have to identify yourself and can vote as many times as you want. It it likely to be totally negative because it will be totally meaningless and inaccurate because of the possibility (read probability) of voting as many times as a motivated voter wants to vote. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ice4fun 78407 Report post Posted May 16, 2014 Unfortunately I see the whole thing as a means for the Harper Government To do the political spin before introducing the new law. Previously on CERB I have been encouraged by others to wait and see what the new law is before condemning the government but i can only say nothing about this feels like it will be positive... Just my opinion 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roamingguy 300292 Report post Posted May 16, 2014 First I'm no lawyer (although I have stayed at a Holiday Inn once or twice LOL) but I do wonder if the Nordic model would survive a constitutional challenge...if a new law enacted under a Nordic model and in a couple years the government could very well be facing another Charter challenge The Nordic model doesn't treat everyone equal before and under the law. SP's (sellers of a service) are not breaking the law, but Clients (buyer's of that service) are breaking the law. And a quick "generalization", and I admit a generalization, but it is ladies who are selling the service (legal) but men who would buy that service (illegal) Men and women are not equal before and under the Nordic model and are not afforded equal protection and benefit of the new law. I have copy/pasted the Charter section, below RG Equality Rights Marginal note:Equality before and under law and equal protection and benefit of law 15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability. Marginal note:Affirmative action programs (2) Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fortunateone 156618 Report post Posted May 16, 2014 The lawyer who did the Bedford challenge mentioned somewhere that the Nordic model as it is a ban of purchase legal services, would not hold up to an SCC challenge. I can't remember much other than that, the opinion of others seem to be similar. It is because this is Canada, that sex work is legal, and that the challenge regarding criminalization of the legal prostitution, all these things add up to a scene where the Nordic model as it is presented in Sweden for example wouldn't be able to be used here in the same format. Whether that actually stopped them from doing it anyway is another story. i think where the charter of rights etc would fail is that someone can easily challenge any laws that force sex workers to see all clients, rather than have a choice. now the coercian thing prevents that. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phaedrus 209521 Report post Posted May 16, 2014 The lawyer who did the Bedford challenge mentioned somewhere that the Nordic model as it is a ban of purchase legal services, would not hold up to an SCC challenge. I think pretty much everyone knows this. The point of Nordic-style legislation - or any legislation, for that matter - is that it'll take another decade for it to go through the courts and be struck down, during which time our oh-so-courageous politicians won't have to deal with it any more. And the damage done to sex workers while that happens? Sorry... the boat to Giveafuck Island left long ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roamingguy 300292 Report post Posted May 17, 2014 The lawyer who did the Bedford challenge mentioned somewhere that the Nordic model as it is a ban of purchase legal services, would not hold up to an SCC challenge. I can't remember much other than that, the opinion of others seem to be similar. It is because this is Canada, that sex work is legal, and that the challenge regarding criminalization of the legal prostitution, all these things add up to a scene where the Nordic model as it is presented in Sweden for example wouldn't be able to be used here in the same format. Whether that actually stopped them from doing it anyway is another story. i think where the charter of rights etc would fail is that someone can easily challenge any laws that force sex workers to see all clients, rather than have a choice. now the coercian thing prevents that. The problem is that until someone is affected by the Nordic law, it is law. Hopefully clearer heads prevail in the Justice Department (bureaucratic/public service side, not political side) and could see potential problems. I agree, you can't, and I emphasize again I'm not a lawyer, challenge a law once enacted. But once someone gets arrested/convicted under the Nordic law then a Charter argument could be made. Of course just my opinion. But for those of us in this lifestyle, either clients/sp's discretely partaking as always, nothing will change. Law enforcement's focus will remain at targeting street level prostitution. The police just don't have the resources A morning rambling RG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
