Aren't independent girls a better choice?

[nikola69 100]

I was wondering... do agencies guarantee the service the ladies provide will be truly GFE if they advertise that the ladies booked with them are GFE? aren't independent girls a better choice to contact? Do agency girls receive enough incentives to really provide superior erotic services?

[mod 135639]

GFE is a "Style" of service (Not specific acts and definitely not meaning a "superior erotic service"). GFE (Girl Friend Experience) means that the meeting will not be cold and to the point (Mechanical) it is a more intimate experience and does not imply or include any specific services.

 

Questions like this are really answered with common sense. Chemistry plays a big roll in a successful intimate experience. If the guy is a dick or the lady does not enjoy her job intimacy will most likely not be on the menu with anyone (Indie or agency).

 

Many Agency booked ladies have been recommended over the years. The agencies job is marketing the ladies, booking the ladies, answering calls, emails, scheduling, etc... The ladies often choose to work with agencies when (1) they are new to the business and (2) when they do not wish to do all this work themselves.

 

Without the agency the lady has to pay for her own expenses like phone bills, advertising, etc.. and has to make additional time for scheduling, answering emails, placing ads, etc... etc... (This takes up a LOT of time)... Often well worth the cost of having the agency do this work for you.

 

Don't assume that because the lady works with an agency she is not going to give you the same service. A reputable agency will not continue to book ladies that they get negative feedback as it damages the agencies reputation and in turn other ladies will not wish to work with them as the guys will not want to call them to book the same (or other) ladies in the future. It would just be bad business to keep the ladies who the customers complain about.

 

Don't be lazy when choosing a lady (Like cutting out 1/2 the ladies by saying agencies are not as good as indies) do your homework. Find recommendations that sound interesting to you. Look for things that you value that someone else has experienced and don't be afraid to book a lady through a agency if she comes highly recommended!

 

Keep this in mind... Good agencies have happy ladies and lots of business - bad agencies have unhappy ladies and unhappy clients (as they do things like bait and switch and demand the ladies work ridiculous hours - and often take too much $$ and not enough calls)

 

A highly recommended lady is not going to work for a bad agency for long but many do not wish to work for themselves so they will seek out good agencies to work with.

 

With well run agencies... the agency works FOR the lady (Not the other way around)

[Cato 160314]

I've had some outstanding meetings with agency sp's: to mention just a few, Roksi from GoE, Blair and Scarlett from Cupid's (redheads, by the way).

In Ottawa, Phoebee (who runs T2T) is always a pleasure to deal with.

In Australia, Six Star Models and Bedroom Eyes offer really exceptional service.

So you can't generalize on this.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

I was wondering... do agencies guarantee the service the ladies provide will be truly GFE if they advertise that the ladies booked with them are GFE? aren't independent girls a better choice to contact? Do agency girls receive enough incentives to really provide superior erotic services?

 

I agree with you that independent girls are better choice (my personal view) and not only from service point of view but for more reasons than one. Quality of service I receive is a factor but there are other important factors playing a role in my decision to do for indies only.

 

With indies I have the chance to speak to the lady directly and assess her mood at the time and her personality for myself and ask her directly for her choices and restrictions and make an informed decision rather than a hearsay by someone else who promises on her behalf which may or may not be delivered. They want you to call them back and become your regular so they do their best to leave you happy and satisfied. Since six months ago that I adopted indie-only policy, I have seen over a dozen indies I have not had a single disappointment (100% hit ratio). Whereas my hit to miss ratio with agencies was around 65% and 35% approx..

 

On another point equally important to me (may be more important) I don't wish to see a large portion of my donation (given as a gift for the girl's time, to the lady I spend time with) going to the agency. The girl doing all the work and the agency gets a large portion of that. That bothered me a lot over the 12 to 15 months that I was having agency girls. They (some) were clearly complaining about this after knowing me well and almost all the ladies I used to see have gone indy already or retired (In all these two years there was only one single case that an indie changed to an agency!!!!).

 

A couple of ladies whom I get to know well, they told me (after they quit agency) that on some nights they used to lose money because they had to pay for the hotel and they did not have any customer for the whole night and in fact they stayed in the hotel room waiting and bored while nobody knocked on the door and these two ladies (one became independent and the other became a nude dancer) were both from the agency who claims to be very busy with many calls!!!!!. To my total surprise, the agency who took as much as $70 off their hourly donations (more so for outcalls to include driver's fee) did not even pay for their hotel cost!!!!!!.

 

Again equally important, in the case of indies, I believe it is more likely the ladies themselves would decide as what their own choices and restrictions are. Or what days or how many hours they would like to work and whom to see (or not to see) and all these are very important to me.

 

I believe that the lady herself can do the advertisement (on cerb, Escorts Canada, or cl....) and book her own hotel with putting a bit of (but not a lot of) extra time but I do agree from security point of view, if the lady is doing outcalls and no friend to watch over her while she is visiting clients, then an agency may be a safer option. Ultimately of course it is the lady's choice only as what option she is more comfortable with, and is best suitable for her personal situation.

 

PS - This post expresses my personal views, statistics and choices.

[E.D. man 691]

I find independents are better, and you get to talk to the actual SP,

Where as in an agency you dealing with a middle person.

If you are looking to repeat with the same girl I believe independents work harder (no pun intended ) than Agency girls. But there are also amazing girls in the agencies too. My Luck is better with the independents.

But my best lay was from an agency girl, but she didn't stay around long, and I find the idependents stay an SP longer in most ocassions.

Here on cerb across Canada you'll find some of the most amazing women in all price ranges.

[cat 262460]

This is a discussion I get very passionate about. Having sat on both sides of the fence I can say with certainty that it is a community effort to provide quality industry wide. Here is a little insight into both agencies and indies that many do not understand. Both serve a specific clientele and are necessary. Some may find it interesting reading, others will not.

 

AGENCIES

 

The agency acts as an AGENT for SP's that choose not to handle the business side of this industry. The Agency works for the SP. Here is a situation that can be ideal for ladies who are not business oriented, do not want their bodies plastered over the internet for a myriad of reasons and make a choice to allow someone else to do the tasks they do not want or can't do. It is the easiest gateway into this industry and a perfect place for a beginner to get her feet wet. Beginners, tho the demand is high for them, are the most unstable and unreliable group to deal with on a day to day basis due to their age and inexperience. You never know how this business is going to impact them mentally, physically and spiritually. Agencies need staff stability so their SP's are on shifts which means they may be working when they would rather be home in bed. Agency staff have to be receptionist, negotiator, schedule manager, counselor, confessional priest, fashion adviser, bookkeeper, trouble spotter, deescalation expert and last but not least task master just to name a few of the hats they wear simultaneously. If there is more than one person on the phone at a time they are lucky. Good Agency staff have more on their plate than anyone imagines. If their plate is not overflowing, they are not doing their job.

 

I had many wonderful girls come to work for me that seemed very well suited and by the third week they were a mess. Why does this happen? I constantly tried to improve my agency to ensure my girls were cared for. 10 years later, I am proud to still call many of them friends. So what was the problem? The only factor that was consistent and I had no control over was the clients. Many men who use agencies do not treat the SP as a person. A girl can run 5 appointments in an evening and it only takes one to screw her night up. This is not a business for the tender hearted or thin skinned. Because Agencies have a younger SP base, the girls take things personally and there can be serious damage done to their self esteem. The damage can be cumulative, and 6 months after a sweetheart starts she can end up seeming hard, uncaring and cold if she is not protected and cared for by her Agency. Many Agency SP's carry shame about what they are doing because they are still operating on the belief system our society instills in most of us. All it takes is one client that has that "your disposable" energy and she's hit. He doesn't even have to say anything, it's a feeling and once it touches you, you can't scrub it off you with stainless steel wool. Younger SP's haven't yet found their inner strength as a woman, let alone make friends with the wildness within. Most struggle with living a secret life and trying to reconcile who she thinks she is with who she truly is. This not just a job, it is a challenge to ingrained beliefs that have been there for generations. It takes a tremendous amount of courage to jump into this industry. It takes perseverance and a rare determination to stay in it long term.

 

Running with an agency can be incredibly hard even for a seasoned pro. More often than not, SP's arrive on the Agency steps with more baggage than a luggage carousel. No little girl grows up wanting to be an SP. 99% of the time life hands them circumstances and they end up in a bind for $$$. They look to this income to fix their problems. What they don't realize is that $$$ doesn't solve the real problems, just alleviate the symptoms. So if an agency SP doesn't live up to her ad, take a look at her age and try and imagine her circumstances. You very well maybe the nice guy who's booked after the jerk. That said, if you are not happy with your service, an agency has more leeway to rectify the situation by offering a next time discount or some other type of perk to keep a customer. But it is up to you to call immediately and let them know. They can't fix it if they don't know it's happened.

 

There are many ladies who thrive with an Agency because they are people oriented and take their work seriously. You will find they are either older or have a maturity that is unusual for their age. A truly good Agency does not have a problem keeping staff, SP's or clients. There are certain markets that make it challenging for an Agency to maintain staff, and I take my hat off to Agencies that service Ottawa. This is not an easy market. Agencies in Ottawa charge what the market will bear and in my humble opinion you get what you pay for.

 

Indies

 

Indies are a different breed of woman. Most started with an Agency but figured out quickly that we like to have more control over our business. We understand the responsibility and dedication it takes to run our own business. Younger Indies are learning as they go. The difference between them and their Agency counterparts is that they can take the time off when they need/want to and do not usually maintain a regular schedule. Do Indies have bad days? Of course they do. We have the option of canceling our day, but we seriously risk damaging our reputation. We have the same "ah ha" moments as Agency SP's, but we have no one to blame when they happen but ourselves. We alone are responsible for who we entertain so when things go wrong we carry the burden, when things go right we carry the glory. We have to wear the same hats as the agency owner and be our own cheer squad. We also come to realize our faults and weaknesses quicker because we are a 1 man show.

 

Indies are usually more comfortable with who they are and what they do. They are more willing to take responsibility when things go wrong. Who does a client complain to when an appointment with an Indie awry? Most clients say nothing, chalk it up to experience and move on. The client should let the Indie know so she can fix it. We go the extra mile because we understand the long term financial impact of losing a client. Are Indies better value? That all depends, what is valuable to you?

 

cat

 

P.S. I had more to write about Indies but my "s" button popped off!

[rileydaniels 1901]

I was wondering... do agencies guarantee the service the ladies provide will be truly GFE if they advertise that the ladies booked with them are GFE? aren't independent girls a better choice to contact? Do agency girls receive enough incentives to really provide superior erotic services?

 

Agencies, don't really guarantee anything. the agencies market thier brand not the girl. so the girl is under pressure to perform services she may not be willing to do.

 

I was with an agency for about a year maybe alittle longer, and if I didn't feel comfortable performing a particular service with a client I would get in trouble for it, as I became indie in June 2009 I am more comfortable with my self and what I am willing to do plus I do not have someone telling me what I can and can not do when I am with a client.

[buggernot 588]

There's bad indy girls and good agency girls. My preference is to cut out the middle man though and deal directly with whom I would like to do business with.

 

Keep in mind that some indy girls are not as 'indy' as they appear. Everything may look indy, but somebody somewhere may be pulling the strings...

[mod 135639]

Excellent discussion (and insight for this less discussed part of the industry).

 

I hope everyone who visits cerb reads this thread.

 

I find a lot of people just assume how an agency is run without actually trying to find out more info. The truth is they are all run slightly different from each other (It's not like they went to school or bought a book on how to run an agency in Canada 101).

 

Cat said it so well with "Many men who use agencies do not treat the SP as a person". I often feel this must be the case too when I read some of the negative reviews people post (I sure delete enough negative posts off cerb to agree with her that many men must feel this way).

 

It's not like ordering a pizza, the lady does not get made from a specific mold or is somehow trained on how to be a specific way with customers.

 

I guess when it's less personal it's easy for some people to forget that the ladies are people with emotions, quarks, mannerisms and everything else that makes you and me all different and everyone so unique. It is also the reason why not everyone gets along but it's all personal taste and preferences.

 

Please guys don't forget that.

 

Plus some guys seam to think that if they have a good experience with an agency all the ladies who work with that agency must be good and praise the agency (and not the ladies)... why??

 

Same is true with the opposite as well... get a bad experience from a date booked by the agency and it must be a poor agency?!? (How does this make any sense?). I could see if the agency forgot your booking, bait and switched you, had a 10 complaints already about this girl and are still booking her... that would be a bad agency (and a bad business person running the agency) but think how many guys call the agency and say "Hey, I think you should know that ...... " (Probably not too many so it could be weeks or months before the agency realizes they have someone who is causing them to loose some reputation).

 

Maybe agencies should ask when making the appointment if they can do a follow up call for some feedback (Wow, that would make a great agency in my books! I get somewhere some agency does this)... Money is also an issue with any business. If you have anyone working for your business who brings a profit to your company it's hard to let that person go (Especially in a business where you can't exactly post a help wanted ad on the human resources canada website).

 

Despite what some guys think agencies don't have line ups of women wanting to work for them!!

 

Please don't forget that the agency is just the middleman in the transaction and really have very little control... a properly run agency is just a Secretary/marketer (and the really good ones are all the stuff in between that Cat mentioned "counselor, confessional priest, fashion adviser, bookkeeper, trouble spotter, etc...").

 

Plus lets not forget that they are a level of security for the lady as well... if she does not check in after the date at least someone knows where she was last and can send someone to check on her (Driver Usually).

 

Threads like this help everyone stop assuming things.

 

We are all very lucky to have ladies like Cat and Riley (and many more providers) who contribute to threads like this and give us all a ladies view on topics such as this. (A look on the other side of things) and we would welcome some posts here from some agency owners.

 

Remember the agencies do adapt like all business's adapt over time. The cell phone changed the industry a HUGE amount and than the internet came along and again all the "old ways" of doing things are very obsolete

 

Both the cell phone and internet make it much easier for ladies to branch out and work as indies so I would agree that most agency ladies are probably fairly new to the business (with the exception of a few who just don't want to bother doing all the paperwork).

 

P.S. Can someone please bring Cat a new keyboard with a working "s" ;)

[Cato 160314]

A really good and helpful discussion! Thanks.

[Lowdark 5613]

This is possibly the best thread I've read since discovering CERB last summer. I think everyone should thank Cat and the MOD for the light they've shed on the mechanics behind how an agency works. Everyone should consider themselves better for it. For my part, lacking the experience of many of the other members, I have had very excellent experiences with SPs who are agency and independant and some questionable ones on both sides as well. One thing I always try to determine is if the SP is treated well and protected by her agency, if there is one.

 

But Cat brings up a point that makes my blood hot. Whenever I hear about "men" who treat SPs poorly, without provacation or reason, my patience definitely expires. It boggles my imagination how useless these guys are. It makes you wonder how they may treat other people in their lives, particularly an SO. I have always strived to make sure that I treat the ladies with respect and dignity, and if I have not then it is my failure of character. NO matter how the SP is percieved, they deserve to be treated well. I hope the ladies who grace CERB know how well they're regarded and appreciated and can forget the losers who forget it. Or didn't know it to begin with.

[Cato 160314]

Well said, lowdark!

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

I'm independent in two businesses (I won't mention the other one here for privacy, but those who have met me know) so I'm familiar with the agency/studio vs. independent aspects in more than just the sex industry.

 

I know for myself that I'm a lot more happy working for MYSELF, keeping all my money, setting my own rules, and running my own business. I also like that I can focus on the client only and his happiness instead of focusing on pleasing the client and the middleman.

 

I also understand there are women who just don't have the time/energy/drive to run a business and doing a little part-time escorting for an agency is the best situation for them and I respect that.

 

Just my thoughts :)

[nikola69 100]

Thanks all for the great detailed responses, and for sharing your personal experiences with us. The same as many of you, I think that indies are a better choice only if they're truly independent and they feel comfortable and secure providing the erotic service requested. Also SPs need to have the right attitude expected by clients in the adult entertainment industry, such as SPs should cater to the needs of their clientele (male/female/couple).

 

There are some websites (which I won't mention by name), but they promote themselves as erotic social networks which bring clients closer to independent SPs in an environment where both parties can build meaningful long-term relationships with one another.

 

I think that SPs that provide local erotic services benefit the most from such relationships with their clients. That is, by knowing clients' sexual fantasies, SPs can provide a better erotic service. Additionally, when SPs focus on quality and not quantity they minimize the risk of sexual deceases as well as the risk of potentially client physically hurting/abusing SPs.

[Guest *vbu***68]

Very insightful thread! Comments are well thought out and useful. :smile: