bcguy42 38594 Report post Posted June 18, 2014 I wish it was different, I wish MPs couold sit down and talk like adults, but that doesn't seem possible anymore. Yes, reasoned debate is possible. I know this because the Easter Bunny told me so. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waterat 20911 Report post Posted June 18, 2014 I have yet to encounter a MP (aka Massage Provider) who could not sit down and talk like an adult..... and I've met a lot of them! Oh wait, you meant Member of Parliament... or MoP - we use those to clean shit off the floor of the house - or at least we should with the ones who agree with Peter MacKay and Joy Smith! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Dog 179138 Report post Posted June 19, 2014 So this isn't the new prostitution bill??? Damn. 11 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roamingguy 300292 Report post Posted June 19, 2014 This isn't dirty and exploiting, I didn't pay for it, he did me for free, well I bought him a drink and it was on the taxpayers dime PM 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WriteOn 3250 Report post Posted June 19, 2014 I see Parliament is taking it's summer break at the end of the week. So people will have a few months to try and hopefully make the Government see the light. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cinelli 22184 Report post Posted June 19, 2014 I see Parliament is taking it's summer break at the end of the week. So people will have a few months to try and hopefully make the Government see the light. No sadly the Tories are just being Machiavellian. Sneaky mofos. They will have committee hearings on the bill during summer recess. There will be less reporters around to cover it and we will know less about what is going on. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WriteOn 3250 Report post Posted June 20, 2014 No sadly the Tories are just being Machiavellian. Sneaky mofos. They will have committee hearings on the bill during summer recess. There will be less reporters around to cover it and we will know less about what is going on. Ok, but there won't be any votes cast in Parliament for the Bill until they return. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fortunateone 156618 Report post Posted June 20, 2014 It doesn't go thru a vote when in committee, and the committee is scheduled to meet July 7 I am assuming that they are still actively trying to push thru committee before the expiration date on revealing the survey results or whatever it is that opposition is calling for them to produce in order to aid both debate and study. Done in January, can be held for 6 months and no longer, so question is, why is the committee meeting prior to the release of this data, which could have been released any time over the past several months. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
80watts 130 Report post Posted June 21, 2014 I have some questions and some observations. Why was the present law (old one) written that way? Why was the new proposed law written that way? When do the Supreme Court Justices Retire (and who gets to name the replacements)? Many responses have an "Ace in the hole" answer to not panic because of the lack of "meeting the Constitution" in the proposed law, which will/should eventually kill this new law. This might take some time to do. One estimate 10 years. What happens if over the years the SCC is made up of lawyers/justices who agree with the new proposed law? In the meantime if this law passes, it would give a government witch hunting tools. Or control of opposition politicians that use SPs. Dare you say totalitarian government.:icon_evil: (note: here I would use the French Revolution and the downfall of its leader Robespierre (Hope I got the name right) as the example). What politician slices his own throat on purpose? Why vote for something that could possibly come back and bite him in the ass (this maybe goes back to the first question I asked). Also remember that when this present law was made, I would of considered most MPs were of the church going type, and logically would of made prostitution illegal. Why didn't they do that then? I really don't understand how the lawyers in the government came up with the new law. Are they ostriches with their heads in the sand? Have they thought out logically what will happen to the prostitutes on the street? I thought the SCC wanted the prostitutes protected from violence and other crimes; instead the answer the government has come up with is "lets wipe out prostitution and the violence and other crimes will disappear". Great Idea. Guess what dumb-assess: Escorts/SP/Hookers also fill a niche in society- a safety valve (my opinion).:ablow: Maybe someone should keep track of some simple statistics after the new law goes into effect. Something simple like Bar fights. What would happen is an SP went up to the PM or Justice Minister in public (at a new conference) and gave them a 10.00 dollar bill back and said "Here is your change back for the sex we had last night"? Would they become perverts in the eyes of the public? Its labelled the oldest profession on earth. I know it will still continue, because men and women like sex; they get horny and want and need sex. Hence why the profession will be around a long time. Wishful thinking, but their heads are in the sand. My 2 cents. Oops! Guess they don't even count, cause now I have to round down to zero! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cinelli 22184 Report post Posted June 22, 2014 Ok, but there won't be any votes cast in Parliament for the Bill until they return. A lot of research will be presented and nobody will hear about it. We will not be able to discredit any spurious data they present behind closed doors, or when no reporters are present. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miss Jessica Lee 43328 Report post Posted June 23, 2014 http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/peter-mackay-s-prostitution-law-news-conference-sowed-confusion-1.2679800 in this article the Justice Department claims McKay was very wrong about some key parts of the bill, including the advertising. The parts of C-36 dealing with advertising have caused a lot of confusion. At the news conference, MacKay was asked if prostitutes who take out ads could be prosecuted. "If there is a direct connection to the selling of sex that does not present itself in a public way then it would be legal. But if it is done so in a way that is perceived as public or available to those under the age of 18 it would be illegal," he replied. Justice Department officials corrected the minister. They said prostitutes advertising their own services cannot be prosecuted under the new law. 8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erica Obsession 2076 Report post Posted June 25, 2014 I hope that I am not overstepping any bounds here... I just started a blog and my first entry is about Bill C-36. The link is here if anyone is interested: http://ericaobsession.wordpress.com/ 13 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anderson1111 130 Report post Posted June 28, 2014 Forgive my ignorance, but at its current pace when would this bill take effect? I.e. When does it become illegal for me to book an escort? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cinelli 22184 Report post Posted June 29, 2014 Justice Department officials corrected the minister. McKay is confused by his own legislation? Gotta LOL. Uncle Stephen should keep him away from those nasty reporters with their questions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erica Obsession 2076 Report post Posted July 2, 2014 UPDATE: I'm delighted to announce that my article regarding Bill C-36 has now been published on an independent media site. You can find the link here: http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/views-expressed/2014/07/real-exploitation-sex-industry-its-distortion 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bcguy42 38594 Report post Posted July 2, 2014 RoamingGuy is a pathetic mother fucker! I must confess to a bit of confusion with regards to this contribution to the discourse. 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ice4fun 78407 Report post Posted July 2, 2014 RoamingGuy is a pathetic mother fucker! Is there really a need? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cinelli 22184 Report post Posted July 2, 2014 I'm delighted to announce that my article regarding Bill C-36 has now been published on an independent media site. Nicely written, you have a future as a writer. A lot of the rabble writers are diametrically opposed to your point of view. The Tories paint everything black and white. Sex workers are all exploited teen drug addicts, their customers are all perverts and social misfits. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fortunateone 156618 Report post Posted July 4, 2014 Nicely written, you have a future as a writer. A lot of the rabble writers are diametrically opposed to your point of view. The Tories paint everything black and white. Sex workers are all exploited teen drug addicts, their customers are all perverts and social misfits. DR. Dawg did a good piece or two, and I gather that sex workers rights are not his usual discussion issues lol. Also Dented Blue Mercedes, and a couple of others have stepped in, most often anti-C36. Which usually leaves the incoherent venom spitting radfem who gives feminists a bad name to discuss the topic in depth, I mean, Megan Murphy. Filled with such hate for what seems like everything. I think she even rampaged against the idea that some feminists are sex positive, because i think she considers that a violation of the fem code. After all, in order to be sex positive, you have to have sex with men, and having (i.e. providing) sex makes men think they are entitled to it, as in they are actually enjoying it or demanding it, even tho any sex positive feminist would be saying that sex is actually enjoyable and denying that part of women's humanity is actually a bad thing, especially if the sole reason to not have sex with men is so that you can make sure they aren't getting any lol. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Dog 179138 Report post Posted July 4, 2014 Interesting article in the Globe and Mail today about "MacKay being open to amendments" for C36 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/government-open-to-amendments-to-proposed-prostitution-law-peter-mackay/article19458774/ Best of all, our ally from Gatineau, Francoise Boivin, has publicly stated that she "wants to wait to hear from witnesses before recommending what specifically needs to be amended." I know we have an excellent spokesperson speaking on behalf of sex workers in Naomi Sayers and with the combination of Francoise and Naomi, there is still hope that positive changes can and will be made before this behemoth is unleashed. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrrnice2 157005 Report post Posted July 4, 2014 I'm simply looking for an update if anyone actually knows the answer to this question. When I wrote to the Clerk of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights inquiring about the committee meetings, his response was that briefs had to be submitted by June 27th and then the committee would meet from July 7 to July 10. He indicated that if I submitted a brief then the committee would consider INVITING me to be a witness. So my question is, do we KNOW who the committee has invited? Are sex workers represented anywhere? I am scared of the answer to tell the truth. Hell, I believe that I shall write the clerk and ask who the invited people are. If he answers I shall post it. Added: Here is the brief note that I wrote to the clerk. Thank you Mr. Page for your response. I am interested in following the committee meetings. Has the list of witnesses been released yet and is there public access to the meetings either in person or on line? Thank you. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Dog 179138 Report post Posted July 4, 2014 I'm simply looking for an update if anyone actually knows the answer to this question. When I wrote to the Clerk of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights inquiring about the committee meetings, his response was that briefs had to be submitted by June 27th and then the committee would meet from July 7 to July 10. He indicated that if I submitted a brief then the committee would consider INVITING me to be a witness. So my question is, do we KNOW who the committee has invited? Are sex workers represented anywhere? I am scared of the answer to tell the truth. Hell, I believe that I shall write the clerk and ask who the invited people are. If he answers I shall post it. Added: Here is the brief note that I wrote to the clerk. Thank you Mr. Page for your response. I am interested in following the committee meetings. Has the list of witnesses been released yet and is there public access to the meetings either in person or on line? Thank you. To the bolded part in RED... yup. Naomi Sayers will be speaking to the committee. She has intimate knowledge of the business and is as smart as a whip. I am not sure if any other people representing sex workers will be there BUT I am sure that Naomi will represent a lot of interests on both the worker and the client side. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrrnice2 157005 Report post Posted July 5, 2014 Francoise Boivin was just interviewed on CBC Radio,, "The House," and sounded amazing. I wonder what she can really do in the committee meetings. Have a listen if you get a chance. Unfortunately she made the following statement. The committee has power to recommend amendments to tweak things. An amendment such as not criminalizing clients would be out of order as it changes the basic intent of the bill. So, we are right back to depending on the Conservatives withdrawing the bill. BAD news. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fortunateone 156618 Report post Posted July 6, 2014 This appears to be the list of attendees. In the posters opinion, he has divided pro C36 versus anti C36: Pro C-36 witnesses (38): Asian Women Coalition Ending Prostitution Calgary Police Service Canadian Association of Elizabeth Fry Societies Canadian Association of Sexual Assault Centres Canadian Women's Foundation Centre to End All Sexual Exploitation Christine Bruckert, Professor, University of Ottawa Concertation des luttes contre l'exploitation sexuelle Defend Dignity, The Christian and Missionary Allianace Department of Justice Senior Officials Ed Smith / Linda Smith Evangelical Fellowship of Canada Exploited Voices Now Educating Georgia Lee Lang Government of Manitoba, Minister of Justice and Attorney General Gunila Ekberg, University of Glasgow School of Law Barrister & Solicitor Gwendoline Allison, Foy Allison Law Group Hope for the Sold Janine Benedet, Associate Professor, UBC Jeanne Sarson / Linda MacDonald Jose Mendes Bota, member of European Parliament, General Rapporteur on Violence Against Women London Abused Women's Centre Mothers against Trafficking Humans Native Women's Association of Canada Northern Women's Connection Peter Mackay Ratanak International Resist Exploitation, Embrace Dignity (REED) Rising Angels Servants Anonymous Society of Calgary Sex Trafficking Survivors United Sextrade101 SIM Canada Sisters Inside u-r- home Vancouver Rape Relief and Women's Shelter Walk with Me Canada Victim Services York Regional Police Not sure (1) BridgeNorth (probably pro) Anti C-36 (16) Aboriginal Legal Services of Toronto Adult Entertainment Association of Canada British Columbia Civil Liberties Association Canadian Alliance for Sex Work Law Reform Canadian HIV/AIDS Legal Network Chris Atchison, Research Associate, University of Victoria Criminal Lawyers' Association John Lowman, Professor, Simon Fraser University Kyle Kirkup, SJD Candidate, University of Toronto Faculty of Law Maggie's: The Toronto Sex Workers Action Project PACE Society PEERS Victoria Pivot Legal Society Prostitutes of Ottawa-Gatineau Work Educate & Resist (POWER) Sex Professionals of Canada Stella, l'amie de Maimie I notice they don't have SWAN, which has over 10 years face to face experience with support of asian sps who work in Vancouver area asian massage parlours, and who also reported to GAATW that in all those years they have never once found anyone trafficked. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ATasteOfEve Report post Posted July 7, 2014 Admittedly, I haven't had the time to sift through all 24 pages of comments on the Bill...But if I were a man I would be jotting down email addresses and cell numbers of all those lovely ladies you wish to hook up with in the event that they can no longer advertise. Perhaps copy and paste information from their websites and tuck it away in a secret place for a later date. Maybe websites like CERB can be a place to post meet and greets for members so we can do our dealings under the wire and not on the Internet...Just in case these jackasses get their way with the voters of this lovely hypocritical country we all live in. Btw, why is it criminal to have sex for money or rather, to pay for it yet ok for our steadfast politicians to have offshore bank accounts, hold back on income taxes, and even try to steal the furniture from Sussex Drive? All we want is a little lovin' afterall ;) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
