Katherine of Halifax 113932 Report post Posted December 8, 2014 No confusion whatsoever. The new law was written as it was to try and force people out of this industry. It says you can sell your own services and you can advertise your own services but anyone who allows you to advertise in their space (website, newspaper, online forum) etc. is a criminal as that is illegal. Just as you can provide certain things however no one can purchase said things legally. So interesting what you say Tracey. I was in Sydney NS last week and I use the paper primarily as my main means of advertising . Most folks there have no computers so paper woks best . I know all the classified people at the paper to the degree when someone answers I know exactly to whom I speak and likewise. Ba. Boom . I called to advertise my intention to be in Sydney and as soon as my rep answered I felt terrible sadness in her voice. She apologised profusely and even tried to work my add to make it " tolerable " They told me that any ad that a client know finds offensive they can sue the paper and in CB the only publication could be lost . Everyone felt so bad for me it was a sad time of saying thank you and good bye, However the night I left town several staff called me and took me to dinner and we had an awesome time . So even those bound by " the rules " will always do their best to support us . That feels really good to me and we will all thrive as we have community support!!! 12 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nicolette Vaughn 294340 Report post Posted December 16, 2014 I use the Ottawa Sun to advertise from time to time. A friend of mine called there a few days after the new law came into effect. One person in the classified departments said they were no longer carrying escort ads. She looked in the paper and saw a new section called "Adult Entertainment" and another woman she spoke to actually had to read her a very long disclaimer and then said she couldn't tell her which section she should advertise under because she is not allowed to advise her of this. The first woman basically lied because she probably didn't want to go through the trouble of explaining everything. We would also have to sign a waiver saying we are not selling certain services. The Ottawa Sun really covered their butts with this one! They weren't ready to give up their piece of the action and the money they make! And let me tell you, to advertise there for one week is bloody expensive! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cloud 1210 Report post Posted December 16, 2014 She looked in the paper and saw a new section called "Adult Entertainment" and another woman she spoke to actually had to read her a very long disclaimer and then said she couldn't tell her which section she should advertise under because she is not allowed to advise her of this. The first woman basically lied because she probably didn't want to go through the trouble of explaining everything. Because under this new Act, people working with an escort can not encourage the escort to keep on escorting. This law is absolutely ridiculous. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ice4fun 78407 Report post Posted December 16, 2014 We would also have to sign a waiver saying we are not selling certain services. Why someone would have to sign a waiver is beyond me.... do all advertisers have to sign a waiver saying they won't sell certain services. Sounds to me like the Ottawa Sun just does not have the guts to make a reasonable business decision based on what the ad says. Just my Opinion Sent from my Passport using Tapatalk 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WealthyCowboy 5281 Report post Posted December 16, 2014 The response from the Ottawa Sun seems very ignorant to me. IMO, the ads before and after the legislation came into force were completely legal. Are they suggesting that the term escort now must be construed as implying selling sexual services? This is all nonsense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dread pirate roberts 4036 Report post Posted December 16, 2014 Whenever I have been in England, one very noticeable thing has been business cards, slightly larger than the usual size, which are ads for escorts, sometimes fairly explicit. They are placed in phone booths, on tables, basically anywhere tourists are likely to see them, I assume. Although time-consuming, that would presumably be legal under the new law, since it would be an escort advertising her own services. It would also be MUCH more overt and noticeable to the general public than the websites and newspaper ads which have become difficult. In other words the new law would have the exact opposite of its intended effect. What a surprise. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fortunateone 156618 Report post Posted December 17, 2014 I use the Ottawa Sun to advertise from time to time. A friend of mine called there a few days after the new law came into effect. One person in the classified departments said they were no longer carrying escort ads. She looked in the paper and saw a new section called "Adult Entertainment" and another woman she spoke to actually had to read her a very long disclaimer and then said she couldn't tell her which section she should advertise under because she is not allowed to advise her of this. The first woman basically lied because she probably didn't want to go through the trouble of explaining everything. We would also have to sign a waiver saying we are not selling certain services. The Ottawa Sun really covered their butts with this one! They weren't ready to give up their piece of the action and the money they make! And let me tell you, to advertise there for one week is bloody expensive! I'm very happy that they figured out a way to work the ads in. I had heard that they were going to eliminate them. I don't know why they simply didn't just go back to the way ads were done 10years ago, i can't remember any ads that were explicit in newspapers. They tend to be short, few with photos, and photos could definitely be handled. Also, they can certainly reword and edit for content and acronyms anyway. In the past ads would be like Spend time with a tall beauty for an unrushed session (or bodysage would be used). that plus phone number, general location, 3 lines and you are out. Then when someone calls, you tell them nothing but a starting rate. funny, people figured it out. Additional Comments: Whenever I have been in England, one very noticeable thing has been business cards, slightly larger than the usual size, which are ads for escorts, sometimes fairly explicit. They are placed in phone booths, on tables, basically anywhere tourists are likely to see them, I assume. Although time-consuming, that would presumably be legal under the new law, since it would be an escort advertising her own services. It would also be MUCH more overt and noticeable to the general public than the websites and newspaper ads which have become difficult. In other words the new law would have the exact opposite of its intended effect. What a surprise. "Tart cards' they are nicknamed. I read a reference to those recently, but can't remember if it was referring to them still being out there, or no longer being used. :) i think that they would have a case against whoever makes the cards, since the printing company is exactly the same as a newspaper after all. They get paid to publish the ad, it would still have to be non graphic cards. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WealthyCowboy 5281 Report post Posted December 17, 2014 Perhaps ladies can hand out their ''tart cards'' at the next cerb social. :icon_lol: The name ''tart'' seems a bit degrading to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fortunateone 156618 Report post Posted December 18, 2014 Perhaps ladies can hand out their ''tart cards'' at the next cerb social. :icon_lol: The name ''tart'' seems a bit degrading to me. It is a bit, but then it is English and considered a common term for escorts. Biz cards were not that unusual in the days before cel phones i think. I've seen a couple from about 20 years ago, local escorts, had pager #s on them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WealthyCowboy 5281 Report post Posted December 18, 2014 Handing out cards is still being done. A few months ago, a youthful developmentally disabled man approached my 72 year old father in a Tim Horton's and gave him a handwritten card, stating explicitly that he was offering (you know what). Poor dad almost had a second stroke. He felt sooooo bad because of this youth's age and his disability, and the look of desparation to earn a buck. This is really sad. Perhaps under C-36 a card and a verbal pitch may be some form of advertising and, in Harper's view, deserve incarceration. Let us censor everyone. Yeay! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nntsci 11076 Report post Posted January 29, 2015 sad, no reply Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WealthyCowboy 5281 Report post Posted January 29, 2015 Hi nntsci: I do not do business with escort agencies at all, but I would think it should be business as usual and they are just trying to avoid problems advertising sexual services. IMLO, they will not get busted any more now than in the past. Nothing will change. In fact, the agency is doing you a favour. The only time you'd get into trouble is if you meet an undercover police officer. So as long as the agency is reputable, I think you are safe. The fact remains that everyone involved should simply go with the idea that they are buying, or making a donation for, time and companionship. Chatting and smiling. Laughing and discussing world issues. And if the lady decides she is willing to go beyond that (surely because you are soooo cute and she likes you so much), then that is something between consenting adults. I am not saying anything you haven't already heard. I just wouldn't be alarmed by the changes to websites. I get that it sucks for those of you that like the nude pictures and a set menu in advance, like in the old days. But we must evolve as a species and nature will find a way, n'est-ce pas? 10 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waterat 20911 Report post Posted January 29, 2015 ... which rounds down to nothing. Probably no replies as no one really knows. Many LE agencies have already indicated they've little interest in enforcing the new law and the changes made by the agencies listed above make them unattractive targets for a successful prosecution. They certainly aren't low hanging fruit. Despite this draconian, politically motivated (it simply appeals to their political base - albeit in a rather ignorant fashion) legislation we in Canada are fortunate. LE aren't directed by the dictatorial Harper/MacKay/Smith crew and they do have public oversight of their actions. (Yes, I know there are exceptions and failures in our system, but on balance....). Harper brings LE into his cabinet before sicking them on innocent citizens - think Julian Fantino. The longer the new law is kept from the courts the longer it will last on the books. Despite the fact I've suggested that LE successfully avoids political influence I'm sure that if there is a case brought forward the bullies will hope it involves some dumb fcuk and a street-involved/trafficked/drug addicted/underaged/victimized/pimped sex worker. This is the scenario they wish to hoodwink the public with. They'll go on to claim that only the new law addresses that circumstance. Of course the truth is we already had laws to address those problems and the new law simply makes it more dangerous for those sex workers and inconvenient for the vast majority who are not in that type of situation. I don't think the agencies will get charged anytime soon. Okay, maybe I'll round the value of my opinion up to a plugged nickel! 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest D***el B***e Report post Posted January 29, 2015 Great thread and all very good points. The only issue is the new law scared away 70% of the people/hobbyist who used to visit this site regularly. Regardless of what you say, the law is having a huge impact. Ask any lady around, if they're still around. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fortunateone 156618 Report post Posted January 30, 2015 As has probably been said before, there are some cities that will not enforce especially situations (like agencies) that have stuck with the time/companionship legal clause disclaimer so that the courts can't pin anything on them. there are some cities that want to enforce the new laws, but the new laws they will enforce are just reworded old laws, meaning only interested in the street workers, so now it means only interested in the street worker clients. As for agencies, just because you enjoyed their very detailed online ads and websites for the past few years, doesn't mean that at any time or in any way was that actually legal. It has never been legal for any agency to 'procure' for clients, that is why in the past no information was ever given to clients by ads, websites, phone calls or emails, no booker would ever tell you what the escort's menu was. Everyone knew you book an agency, you discuss face to face and hope for the best. The concept of full lists and pricing and menus that was illegal before, so no real difference. The agencies that make a big deal out of making the changes just seemed clueless about the laws. There are laws that get enforced, and those that do not. Just because they weren't being enforced, doesn't mean that it ever was legal for agencies or mps for that matter to tell you the client what she the attendant/escort would provide and for how much. So basically, you will have to deal with it and live with it. I think you can be assured that behind closed doors and face to face the agency is still going to hire people who provide the same types of services as they always hired before, and that if you are unsatisfied with someone who arrives, that they will see it right. Even if neither of you can be that specific about what you missed out on or what they can promise. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phaedrus 209521 Report post Posted January 30, 2015 Great thread and all very good points. The only issue is the new law scared away 70% of the people/hobbyist who used to visit this site regularly. Regardless of what you say, the law is having a huge impact. Ask any lady around, if they're still around. My understanding from the thread on this was that we took a hit when the bill became law, but that people - both clients and ladies - are slowly coming back. A short-term hit was probably inevitable; if the current lack of enforcement continues then I'd expect the long-term effect on board participation to be zero. Also: that's just this board. I have no clue about any others. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nntsci 11076 Report post Posted January 30, 2015 Thanks everyone for the replies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeeRichards 177238 Report post Posted February 4, 2015 There is a new book coming out..... look in the Fiction section. Joy Smith is retiring and writing a book. So it will be kinda like "Blah Blah Blah" Translation. Title "Joy's Load of Crap" Story line "See Joy Run" The End So she doesn't have to deal with any repercussions from her lies and disregard for other's opinions and write a book on most likely gov't funding.... 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manitoba 2758 Report post Posted February 7, 2015 Has anyone heard of any charges being laid under the new law? I have not seen anything in the news. Not for street workers but for the type of people that frequent this site? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fortunateone 156618 Report post Posted February 7, 2015 Has anyone heard of any charges being laid under the new law? I have not seen anything in the news. Not for street workers but for the type of people that frequent this site? If you are referring to client charges, apparently not. There was a recent article on the subject, not sure if it is in the In the News section. Some PDs have made a big show out of laying charges under the new laws regarding the advertising laws but i think they will find the courts throw that out, due to misapplication of the charge imo. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mod 135640 Report post Posted February 8, 2015 In Ontario 10 charges under new Criminal Code have been made for pimping and 4 charges have been made in ontario for advertising the sale of sexual services. none of the charges in ontario are "purchase of sexual services" but thats ontario.... Saskatoon has been going after guys and i am not sure how many charges and not sure about other provinces. 11 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rider 100 Report post Posted April 24, 2015 Now that bill c-36 has been around for a bit anyone noticed anything changing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nntsci 11076 Report post Posted July 15, 2015 "Ontario 10 charges under new Criminal Code have been made for pimping and 4 charges have been made in ontario for advertising the sale of sexual services." Is there a link to read more about these charges? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest s******ecan**** Report post Posted July 24, 2015 Now that bill c-36 has been around for a bit anyone noticed anything changing I've definitely reduced my activities. I'm also much more careful about who I see. I would never see a lady who was not well established on this board. On the other hand I check out BP once in a while out of curiosity and there seems to be more girls than ever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phaedrus 209521 Report post Posted July 27, 2015 I haven't changed a damn thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
