new prostitution bill

[Ice4fun 78407]

From I have been reading I do not think the liberals will do anything unless forced too. I suspect that they are waiting for it to be taken to court by the service providers. http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/prostitution-laws-could-see-more-changes-under-liberals/ here is a link with the comments of the new justice minister.

 

I agree I don't think we will see the Liberals act directly to do anything about this in the near future.

[drlove 37204]

I agree I don't think we will see the Liberals act directly to do anything about this in the near future.

 

If this turns out to be the case, I'll be very disappointed. I would have hoped that the Liberals would show some actual leadership on this issue and step up to the plate. As I've said before, my biggest fear is that we're just going to get lip service from the new government, and not the good kind! :tongue:

[Phaedrus 209521]

From what I've heard/read from various activists, it sounds like this is going to be a mid-term kind of event. That will give them long enough to come up with a workable plan, but will be far enough in advance of the next election that the heat will have gone out of it by then.

 

Of course, that's all hearsay...

[drlove 37204]

From what I've heard/read from various activists, it sounds like this is going to be a mid-term kind of event. That will give them long enough to come up with a workable plan, but will be far enough in advance of the next election that the heat will have gone out of it by then.

 

Of course, that's all hearsay...

 

From a political standpoint, would seem to be the most reasonable approach.

[waterrat 1261]

The mandate letter given to the Minister of Justice by the PM includes reviewing changes to criminal law and sentencing over the past decade. That would include C-36.

 

It would be expected that this will be done in the first 24 months so that any controversy evaporates before the next election.

[Alex B. Symone 12923]

As of Feb 2 2016 the Canadian criminal code has had a few sections repealed! I am not able to see what has been changed and I can not find much on billc46 does anyone have more information?

[fortunateone 156618]

As of Feb 2 2016 the Canadian criminal code has had a few sections repealed! See section 213

 

 

do you have a link or article about this?

[Alex B. Symone 12923]

On the criminal code it says it has been amended and current as of feb 2016.

[Juice 2105]

Now that over a year has passed since the new law was put in place, I hope someone in government will have to the brains to ask whether C-36 had the impact intended. MacKay was crystal clear that the bill was going to "eradicate" prostitution.

[nntsci 11076]

you'd think by now politicians would grow up and realize that you cannot pass laws to protect people from themselves... as long as their is a market, prostitution will exist... the best they could do is help make it safer.

 

Additional Comments:

On the criminal code it says it has been amended and current as of feb 2016.

the Criminal code is a big document and its often get amended, it may be some other aspect of it that's been amended.

[Webber88 100]

This is a great thread, very educational.

 

I am wondering if we know of any charges being laid under section 286.1. Basically if I text a SP, with amount of time and $, but no specific service can I be charged?

https://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=237019

[fortunateone 156618]

This is a great thread, very educational.

 

I am wondering if we know of any charges being laid under section 286.1. Basically if I text a SP, with amount of time and $, but no specific service can I be charged?

https://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=237019

 

those are two questions:

 

first, yes, when it comes to street based work, they are running stings.

 

for indoor workers, then no. The exception on that is if you were to continue communication with and making an appt with and showing up to appt with someone who is telling you they are under 18. there have been stings and charges with that.

[drlove 37204]

This is a great thread, very educational.

 

I am wondering if we know of any charges being laid under section 286.1. Basically if I text a SP, with amount of time and $, but no specific service can I be charged?

https://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=237019

 

What if an SP is advertising a one hour "GFE" experience- Does that count as advertising a service, instead of just time? E.g ( a case could be made that someone has purchased a service from an SP, namely a GFE experience, which would be illegal) - is that right? Please correct me if I'm wrong. I admit I get confused about the semantics. Any clarification would be very much appreciated! Thank you.

[mod 135640]

What part of girlfriend experience says it has any sexual contact? That refers to a lady being friendly and not cold (Hugs, kisses, dating, fun, friendly) does not mean anything sexual is happening. The law does not permit anyone advertising any sexual services. The escorts can advertise anything else they wish.

[elegantnylonfeet 1011]

stupid question but is foot fetish considered a sexual service?

[mod 135640]

Guess that depends on what your doing with the feet. Just admiring them... no.

[Juice 2105]

stupid question but is foot fetish considered a sexual service?

 

I read a Dept. of Justice briefing on the law when that numb skull McKay was still there. It said that the law treats as criminal the recipient of any physical service (touching) intended to provide sexual gratification.

 

So technically if you get a lap dance, you are criminal, so is the bar owner. Fortunately it seems that the police are smarter than the former justice minister.

[nntsci 11076]

This is worrisome.

 

http://medicinehatnews.com/news/loca...ices-at-hotel/

 

Local man charged with attempting to purchase sexual services at hotel

 

BY CHARLES LEFEBVRE ON NOVEMBER 3, 2016

[chocolove 150]

so is it illegal now contacting escorts in backpage/cerb? sorry tried to read all the comment on this thread but I still don't understand.

 

I have been doing this for sometimes but the last time I went to see an escort there were a police car waiting outside her apartment so I'm a bit worried now. Good thing nothing happened to me.

 

btw does this bill apply to all of Canada? or just in particular province?

[Greenly 791]

so is it illegal now contacting escorts in backpage/cerb?

 

btw does this bill apply to all of Canada? or just in particular province?

 

The bottom line is that, under the new law, it is illegal to pay for sex in any way. And it applies to all of Canada.

 

However, the new law is not enforced equally in all cities and provinces.

 

In Vancouver, for example, the Vancouver Police Department has publicly stated that their enforcement efforts will be focused on underage prostitution, human trafficking, streetwalking, and pimping. Men seeing independent escorts as consenting adults will not be targeted.

 

On the other hand, a guy in Medicine Hat was recently charged for seeing a prostitute in a hotel after contacting her on Backpage.

 

Some cities, like Regina, have many Asian Massage Parlours. The police are fully aware that "extras" are being provided along with the massage. But as long as everyone is discreet and no one causes problems in the community, they turn a blind eye to it.

[Luke 287]

How about in Ottawa? Any insight as to the policing policy there?

[conquistador 18487]

How about in Ottawa? Any insight as to the policing policy there?

Ottawa you should be fine, like anything do your research.

 

I would be cautious with someone new myself, but that's just me.

[Guest ATasteOfEve]

This is worrisome.

 

http://medicinehatnews.com/news/loca...ices-at-hotel/

 

Local man charged with attempting to purchase sexual services at hotel

 

BY CHARLES LEFEBVRE ON NOVEMBER 3, 2016

What's worrisome is that the police have nothing more important to do in Medicine Hat...I doubt their intent is to get girls out of the biz and safe but more like, "I need to justify my job here so I'd better do something"

 

Additional Comments:

What part of girlfriend experience says it has any sexual contact? That refers to a lady being friendly and not cold (Hugs, kisses, dating, fun, friendly) does not mean anything sexual is happening. The law does not permit anyone advertising any sexual services. The escorts can advertise anything else they wish.

So...does that mean that GFE is not on our list of taboo words when we advertise? ;)

[Dave in Phoenix 753]

What part of girlfriend experience says it has any sexual contact? That refers to a lady being friendly and not cold (Hugs, kisses, dating, fun, friendly) does not mean anything sexual is happening.

 

I was one of the first to use "GFE" on the alt.sex.prostitution newsgroup before there were websites using 300 baud dialups and packet readers.

 

It had nothing to do with sex acts but as Mod suggests real interactions has humans for the moment, not about body parts or sex acts. My interest now 40 decades later is still more intimacy for the moment, not just the usual stuff.

 

Unfortunately, guys seeking unhealthy and now illegal acts have hijacked the original meaning of GFE "Girlfriend Experience."

 

Thoughts from very old Dave in Phoenix!

[WhereIRoam 21825]

C-36 The new law is not very complicated.

 

What is illegal is (1)purchasing sex or (2)searching information of sexual acts with "intent" of purchase.

*The "intent" is when that SP shows up at your location or when you show up at their location. "Only" with having prior communication of doing sexual acts for the exchange of money.

 

-An SP using acronyms in their ad is not illegal. "Doing" the act they advertise in their ad for the exchange of money IS illegal.

 

Therefore:

-If an SP has an ad with "illegal acts", meaning: if they perform those actions in exchange for money: It is not illegal to contact them or to visit them

"Unless" prior communication with that SP involved the discussion of sexual acts for the exchange of money. "THIS CONFIRMS INTENT"

 

-An exchange of texts with an SP using acronyms and money values (or phone recordings containing conversation with an SP discussing sexual acts for money) is only illegal once they show up at your location or vice-versa.

"THIS CONFIRMS INTENT"

 

So, even if you are going to see an SP you haven't seen before, view the info on their ad. Do not discuss sexual acts with them "in any way", prior to meeting up with them.

"Unless that SP is a police officer" or "that the punter is a police officer" you will be safe to discuss matters once you are both behind closed doors.

 

It's not to say that police won't make arrests without the above illegal acts being done. However, in court, the above is what is necessary for a conviction.