How to make an enquiry IF the bill becomes law.

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

Assuming that this bill may be reality, I want to talk to our NB men about how an enquiry will look like, as we will not advertise sexual services.

 

Let's pretend we are txting...

 

Gent txt: Hey baby, can I book a GFE and do you offer BBJ?

Lady txt: No hun, I only accept donations for time spent. I do not charge for sexual activities at all.

Gent txt : But do you do BBJ?

Lady txt: I do not charge for sexual activities.

 

or ...

 

Gent txt: can I book a massage, do I get a HJ too?

lady txt: I book massages yes. I do not charge for sexual activities.

 

So, IF this bill becomes law, Gent's are going to have to book blindly and visit with the hopes all of your hopes will be fulfilled. As no lady will be able to admit in any way to any sexual activity. This will apply to phone calls, email and txt. Our ads will be stating " time spent".

 

This sucks! But I am just wanting to get in the mind set that this just may be our reality:( It is going to be hard at first, but all things it will become easier. Hopefully we can rally together somehow and change this eventually. I am still hopeful though...

[fisherman48 815]

Does this law also mean that there will be no more touring ladies

 

Additional Comments:

Does this law also mean that there will be no more touring ladies

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

Not at all, but our ads and enquiry style is dramatically different. Your INDY traveling lady will do well, as a stationary service like mine will have more pressure to be sure never to incriminate clients( or my own ads), for this, all my enquiries will be " I do not charge for sexual services" .

 

Men get used to using your imagination and do not incriminate yourselves by asking for activities, IE: BBBJ, daty...especially with new ladies!!!!

Once in your are alone and indoors, then there is no way of proving what is or is not done.

 

This advice is straight from my lawyer.

[Guest t*x****]

does this mean that this website will become obsolete...?

 

not stirring things up but just wondering ???

 

 

thank you

[Andee 220524]

In the "old" days when there we just yellow page ads and newspaper print ads, nothing explicit was advertised or discussed over the phone. We managed then and we will adapt.

 

The sky is not falling.

[loneskater 25635]

In the "old" days when there we just yellow page ads and newspaper print ads, nothing explicit was advertised or discussed over the phone. We managed then and we will adapt.

 

The sky is not falling.

 

Exactly. I made lots of bookings via the newspaper and yellow pages, before the internet came out and in most cases had a great time.

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

does this mean that this website will become obsolete...?

 

not stirring things up but just wondering ???

 

 

thank you

 

I do not think so, MODS are pretty clever ppl and outfitted with company lawyers I am sure. If you notice the bill say " advertising sexual services" so if our ads are merely saying " hey come spend time with me" and there no mention of GFE etc...then I do not see how sites or the SP's or hobbyist having any reason to get in trouble, as long as communication on services only happen once you meet face to face. As I pointed out on my first post.

 

I am not a fourtian teller, although would be nice to be, lol..but this is how I am seeing it go. Like it was in the past. I think we will still have this site, but just modified a bit.

[NorthernBoy 538]

When are these changes supposed to take effect?

[fortunateone 156618]

In the "old" days when there we just yellow page ads and newspaper print ads, nothing explicit was advertised or discussed over the phone. We managed then and we will adapt.

 

The sky is not falling.

 

 

I find there are a lot of old time clients still using paper ads, those two line plus a 3rd line for the phone# style, no pics, no menus, etc etc, and they seem to do just fine getting the info, making the appt, and showing up and having a good time. Maybe the online internet ad reliant types are going to have to adjust how they deal with this biz, but that might be a good thing?

[Ice4fun 78407]

When are these changes supposed to take effect?

 

If and when the bill passes through the legislature and receives royal ascent.... so I'm guessing late this year.

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

I am bringing this thread up again to further discuss on how we will need to change our advertising and enquiry methods.

 

So, in my communications with some clients, I have noticed that many seem to not understand what I mean when I say " you pay for time or massage only, and I do not have a menu of sexual activity"

 

Responses have been pretty funny! Some say " so I pay for an hour and we just sit around?" or " I pay for massage that is it?" LIKE REALLY??? Where as I tend to say " by the look of my pics, and where you found my ad does it look like I work at a clinic?"

 

Then we get into this detail chat, and even tho the new Bill has not yet been implemented, I am trying to get them accustomed to not asking for details and read between the lines. This is more for the protection of my loves, so that you are not incriminating yourself. Even if the risks remain low, all it takes is ONE Gent that could already have issues with LE, or an occurrence while in my company( hopefully never will be) and then putting others in a tricky situation.

 

I want to minimize our chit chat until face to face or at least voice calls. This way there is nothing said to used against you. An ESCORT is paid for her time, not sexual activity.

 

How are other ladies doing with this? Have you thought of changing your enquiry methods? Have you hobbyist begun to re think the way you enquire? Or am I just silly?? hahaha.

[Guest Ou**or**n]

I see and understand ladies and agencies reverting to 'money is for time and companionship' in their advertising. However I fail to fully understand why there is a feeling of needing to protect clients by not giving additional information.

 

First, if it is done by phone, the only way LE could listen is to have gotten a warrant to tap a providers phone. Given being a provider isn't illegal I can't see that happening so I don't understand why details wouldn't be given by phone.

 

Second, if hobbyists use hobby phones with SIM's that are not attached to their real world identities then what is the true risk of answering text inquiries? Even if the hobbyist used their own phone and LE confiscated a providers phone who in turn left the texts on it.. I still don't see LE going through the time to send a warrant to the cell company. Even then I think a conviction would be very hard to obtain as the gent could simply say he had lost his phone for a period and someone made those inquiries as a crank. It would be very difficult if not impossible to pass the 'beyond a reasonable doubt' test.

 

Next, there alternatives to SMS that is still texts. There are apps that text app-to-app like WhatsApp. There are also texting apps that give you a phone number allowing you to text to another phone number from the app. I'm thinking apps like Fongo here. Again the route LE would have to take to actually find the phone on the other end is even more complex and again there is the defense issue of plausible deniability.

 

Next there are the ephemeral messaging apps like SnapChat that automatically delete messages.

 

There are also encrypted apps that are ephemeral such as Wickr.

 

In short I feel almost all electronic communication just won't pass the plausible deniability standard of a conviction.

 

I think that like in the US, enforcement will take place via sting operations where upon arriving in the room the LE officer engages the customer in conversation that explicitly mentions that the money is for a sexual service and then once the client says anything that agrees with the statement the person is arrested.

 

Taking the attitude of NOT answering questions is likely to end up costing those that do it business. Clients will turn to those ladies that know they are not doing anything illegal to answer them. The other alternative of course is review boards or off-shore advertising sites where this information is available.

 

Time will tell what will happen but I think those ladies or agencies that refuse to give details as a means to 'protect' their customers will ultimately get less business.

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

Ohh yes I do agree and plan to voice chat about details. However many of the txt apps do not provide me a real way confirming who you are, as they give you a random and strange sequence of numbers, do they not?

 

I also do agree that it is very very low chance of LE getting a warrant for my phone/email as I am not the one breaking laws. But not all people do erase or change SIM or use a play phone, trust me I have tried to suggest to many that it is best to do so.

 

Being a stationary ( mainly) in a small town, I do tend to be a bit more cautious of these issues. I do not have hundreds of other ads or ladies to hide behind, I am rather exposed. I have had already one or two events in other locations that I know was brought upon me by other's in my town. More or less warnings. When I brought this to my lawyer, he said doesn't mean I am under investigation, but when LE get a complaint they HAVE to follow up. Leaving notes on doors stating " should you see activity around here, please write down licence plates, and send it in." Well I was gone by the next day I tell ya!

Not a concern as much now as incall will be legal. And I am Solo/Independent, no others working with me either.

[roamingguy 300292]

For ladies you have seen before very easy, since you have shared memories, shared experiences, easy to come up with a code. For instance

"I'd like to meet for dinner, how does the restaurant we ate at on our first date sound" Now restaurant would be code for hotel, or lady's incall. In that email/text/phone call not even is the name of the hotel revealed, not even is the city.

Some guys like the idea of a menu, the ladies I see don't have a menu, the encounter unfolds naturally, so there is no discussion of any sexual services in our correspondence. Point is, keep talk of sex for money out of the email/text/phone call, don't use any acronyms.

Finally, and in another thread

http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=182967

internet users privacy upheld by the SCC. And I'm not a lawyer, but I certainly believe the police would need warrants for phone/text messages

The bar is already set pretty high for police in these regards, so my guess

unless you've already done something to bring attention to yourself to cause LE to initiate an investigation you'll be OK. And it's information gleaned from an investigation that causes police to get warrants to further aid their investigation.

Much easier for the police to target street prostitution, less resources required, more visible results for LE to show to the public. Even MacKay's speech's all seem focused on street prostitution. And frankly if you were a police chief with normal budget restrictions, would you allocate your money to an investigation to catch maybe one or two clients of an escort, or the same money to do "street sweeps" where a lot of men could be arrested, and it would look good to the public at large...it's visible with results that can be seen

Anyhow, just a rambling

 

RG

[Meaghan McLeod 179664]

Sadly we will no longer be able to advertise specific services when the bill passes. I've been looking at my website and will have to remove my menu.

 

I do remember before Internet advertising. We never discussed specific services, even in person until AFTER the money exchange. It worked. They booked our time and what we did together between two consenting adults was our choice.

 

I'm thinking of creating stories - sexual ones. Talking about what I like to do without actually advertising services. The guys would have to read between the lines. It might work.

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

For ladies you have seen before very easy, since you have shared memories, shared experiences, easy to come up with a code. For instance

"I'd like to meet for dinner, how does the restaurant we ate at on our first date sound" Now restaurant would be code for hotel, or lady's incall. In that email/text/phone call not even is the name of the hotel revealed, not even is the city.

Some guys like the idea of a menu, the ladies I see don't have a menu, the encounter unfolds naturally, so there is no discussion of any sexual services in our correspondence. Point is, keep talk of sex for money out of the email/text/phone call, don't use any acronyms.

Finally, and in another thread

http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=182967

internet users privacy upheld by the SCC. And I'm not a lawyer, but I certainly believe the police would need warrants for phone/text messages

The bar is already set pretty high for police in these regards, so my guess

unless you've already done something to bring attention to yourself to cause LE to initiate an investigation you'll be OK. And it's information gleaned from an investigation that causes police to get warrants to further aid their investigation.

Much easier for the police to target street prostitution, less resources required, more visible results for LE to show to the public. Even MacKay's speech's all seem focused on street prostitution. And frankly if you were a police chief with normal budget restrictions, would you allocate your money to an investigation to catch maybe one or two clients of an escort, or the same money to do "street sweeps" where a lot of men could be arrested, and it would look good to the public at large...it's visible with results that can be seen

Anyhow, just a rambling

 

RG

 

Yes, I too do not like a menu, perhaps I should re-title this thread as menu or not, lol...I did at one time provide that, but now have evolved to have a dislike for it. Mainly, the problem was I may not offer everyone the exact same thing and a menu kinda makes you to commit to it:( Making for some uncomfortable outcomes.

Mean while, I believe your correct in saying, best not to have sex and money being tangled up into the conversation on txt/email/pm as a safe measure regardless.

Although I do agree as well that the street level sadly will be the main goal, but then again so was it when providing illegal incalls, however I still got myself a good scare at the hands of some one who wanted me gone:( As my lawyer said, all it takes is one complaint to raise eyebrows:(

Would it be easier if I traveled? Probably. Would I be able to maintain my same quality massage? NO. Now that incalls will be allowed, I am relieved!

So to keep "complaint" at bay, I will probably not offer a menu. I can chat with voice calls and explain that each person may experience a different kind of activity while in my company")

[LadyMichelle 730]

Hopefully this law dosent pass so lady in this field are able to promote :s. Fingers crossed!

[roamingguy 300292]

Sadly we will no longer be able to advertise specific services when the bill passes. I've been looking at my website and will have to remove my menu.

 

I do remember before Internet advertising. We never discussed specific services, even in person until AFTER the money exchange. It worked. They booked our time and what we did together between two consenting adults was our choice.

 

I'm thinking of creating stories - sexual ones. Talking about what I like to do without actually advertising services. The guys would have to read between the lines. It might work.

 

 

That idea of creating stories might work. Have a blog. Tell erotic stories, just nothing about money for services. Potential clients, those menu focused could read the stories, and say "hey, that is what is offered"

And the stories could even be written in fiction, ie "The Sexual Journey Of Jenny Smith" (just a name I came up with on the spur of the moment LOL) Of course that is for guys who's focus is on a menu based service, that might be a way around the menu, I don't know

 

Of course there is something even more profitable. Peter MacKay is going to give you twenty million to stop. You ladies could all be multi millionaires by stopping. You could even haggle with MacKay and Harper, I agree to stop and decline my twenty million in exchange for a Senate Seat...holy f*ck, Senator, they don't sell their bodies, they sold their souls. Anyhow, that's tongue in cheek

ion

 

RG

[Andee 220524]

In the "old days" before the internet when there were only print ads and the yellow pages, we never advertised anything or spoke about anything explicit. The most we did was give our physical stats (height, measurements, hair colour, etc) and the rate based on time.

 

Guys knew the drill then and rarely did anyone get out of line on the phone.

 

As frustrating as it may be right now, Sophia, the guys will learn adapt and read between the lines.

[Guest Ou**or**n]

In the "old days" before the internet when there were only print ads and the yellow pages, we never advertised anything or spoke about anything explicit. The most we did was give our physical stats (height, measurements, hair colour, etc) and the rate based on time.

 

Guys knew the drill then and rarely did anyone get out of line on the phone.

 

As frustrating as it may be right now, Sophia, the guys will learn adapt and read between the lines.

 

I honestly don't see this happening on a broad scale. Many young providers now are quite into the multitasking nature of texting. In my experience things never go back to a prior state but instead morph into new states. The 'old days' didn't have things like cell phones, Internet, encryption and off-shore companies and sites. This time around things are also legal for the SP's so some of those things that were done for self-protection won't apply anymore. Different laws in different times will produce different things.

 

I also see a movement towards wide-scale use of hobby phones with anonymous SIM cards. I also see use of alternate texting apps such as SnapChat or WhatsApp. These are not Canadian companies so it would be a pain for LE to serve them with warrants.

 

For those who don't care about a menu there are probably 20 or 30 others that do care. I personally will rarely see someone who doesn't offer DFK. I have friends that only see SP's for BBBJ's with CIM. Whoever answers questions about services will get business. Those that answer that they won't discuss such things may find it affects their business.

 

Time will tell.

[roamingguy 300292]

 

For those who don't care about a menu there are probably 20 or 30 others that do care. I personally will rarely see someone who doesn't offer DFK. I have friends that only see SP's for BBBJ's with CIM. Whoever answers questions about services will get business. Those that answer that they won't discuss such things may find it affects their business.

 

 

First I didn't say everyone doesn't care about a menu. My point was just don't talk about sex for money

My exact statement was

 

"Some guys like the idea of a menu, the ladies I see don't have a menu, the encounter unfolds naturally, so there is no discussion of any sexual services in our correspondence. Point is, keep talk of sex for money out of the email/text/phone call, don't use any acronyms."

 

I am certainly aware of some men's focus on a menu, I didn't dismiss it. But for those not menu focused it ceases to be a concern when discussing booking an encounter with a companion. But for those menu focused just keep sex for money out of the conversation.

 

RG

[mrgreen760 37785]

It seems it will be real difficult for new talent to break in which will could really limit options. Fewer choices and limited competition will very likely result in rising costs to the consumers who stick around.

 

Maybe it's time to take up golf.... :)

 

Peace

MG

[Gabriella Laurence 301887]

I'm thinking of creating stories - sexual ones. Talking about what I like to do without actually advertising services. The guys would have to read between the lines. It might work.

I've been doing that for a long time with the erotic poems I write and it works just fine ;) yet, I do not offer a "menu" with a full list of acronyms.

 

Have fun with it!

[FunValerie 8573]

That is a very good idea, writing indirectly about things that one might enjoy. I think clients will get the idea.

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

So if you are menu orientated, and the lady is not wanting to email/txt/pm her menu, why not just voice call for safety measure for all? Seems the best way for all to be happy.

 

With Outlooks example of DFK, I do enjoy a passionate kiss. There have been times I said, sure thing, I would like that, only to find the person at my door with a full mouth of cavities, missing teeth and brown tongue....yicky yicky no way man! Even after explaining in his initial enquiry that you must be clean and fresh and YMMV. Guess he missed that part of the enquiry lol.

So this is a prime example of why for me a menu is not preferred booking style anyways.