roamingguy 300292 Report post Posted June 8, 2014 With all the talk and concern about the proposed new prostitution law what if a companion and gentleman had a date, but he didn't pay her. WTF are you smoking RG!!! I bet you're thinking that right now...hear me out First, this would be an arrangement between a lady and gentleman, who each other trust (I don't mean superficially trust) I mean TRUST!!!!! Second, communication (be it by text/phone/email) would be for a date, no talk about details but just about getting together...for all outwardly appearances it would seem to be two adults getting together for a date. Third, after the date, maybe a day or two (or whatever) later, then the gentleman pays the donation to the lady The encounter technically, well really is not prostitution since no money has exchanged hands. It was a date. Payment would be made later in the future Now I'm not a lawyer, nor a cop, but I wonder how that would stand up in court. It would take a lot of trust especially on the lady's part, and I could only see it happening with existing SP/Client relationships, not with someone who is a new client/new SP Absolutely no discussion of money could take place in emails/texts/phone calls A quick off the cuff rambling RG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest N***he**Ont**y Report post Posted June 8, 2014 Perhaps but for example any email -transfer or interac transfer might be considered money laundering and lead to the seizure of assets from either party under the proceeds of crime section of the Criminal Code.(Playing devils advocate here on this one) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roamingguy 300292 Report post Posted June 8, 2014 Perhaps but for example any email -transfer or interac transfer might be considered money laundering and lead to the seizure of assets from either party under the proceeds of crime section of the Criminal Code.(Playing devils advocate here on this one) I believe that happens if the daily amount is $10,000, and if you get into transactions that high you could split payment over a couple days. It's not, and I emphasize I'm not a cop or lawyer, the total amount transacted, it's the total amount transacted in one day. So for $10,000, split it into two payments of $5000 over two days But I could be wrong RG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest N***he**Ont**y Report post Posted June 8, 2014 The GSPS force here seizes under the proceeds of crime statutes all the time which includes cash under a $1000.00,cars,cellphones etc.Forfeiture to the crown makes the locals salivate because they keep the proceeds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bianca Jaguar 39183 Report post Posted June 8, 2014 I'm sure it would be very hard to proove that any amount transfered would be for sexual services...it can simply be a gift! Just my opinion! BJ 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest N***he**Ont**y Report post Posted June 8, 2014 I agree but frequent e- transfers might draw attention to the banking authorities leading to the account being red flagged. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brad 49548 Report post Posted June 8, 2014 If you wanted to try to slip through by paying the donation one day and having the encounter on a different date, it would probably be more likely to go the other way and you'd be expected to pay a couple days in advance rather than afterwards. That way the risk and onus of trust is on the gent rather than the lady. However, I'm not sure this would really work. I mean, if you already have the established relationship enough that this much trust is built up, then I'm not sure why you'd be worried about just paying at the start of the encounter as usual, since it clearly wouldn't be a sting or set-up. If the worry is that law enforcement would try to prove it after the fact, then whether you pay 5 minutes in advance or 2 days later wouldn't really make a difference, since it would still be clear to anyone what was going on. I mean, suppose you purchase stolen goods. Whether you pay for them at the time your given them or a couple days later, you could still be equally charged. Holding off a couple days doesn't provide legal deniability. Anyway, it's an interesting thought. I just figure if you already have a trusting relationship, you probably don't have as much to worry about. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waterat 20911 Report post Posted June 8, 2014 I would be more than happy to provide a donation well in advance of a scheduled date. Both parties must demonstrate their trust - 'financial' trust is no more important than all the other trust involved in our interactions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest N***he**Ont**y Report post Posted June 8, 2014 I will only make donations now by email to my trusted providers. The times they be changing and time to make it safer for everybody. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Studio 110 by Sophia 150333 Report post Posted June 8, 2014 I say if either party never mentions sexual activities, then we should be clear, They would have no txt , no email no voice calls, and no ads that mention sex at all. charges just could not stick . When booking an SP that you know, or at least you have already been informed of her service, no mention of details are needed, for new SP then you just go to your date. Drop your envelop AFTER she has touched you or removes clothing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted June 8, 2014 (edited) Well, what if this bill comes to pass? What if? Thinking ahead is definitely a good idea. Maybe adding yourself to your favorite escorts private client list can help. Sticking to people who you know and trust. Maybe making a list of reputable client friends you can trust and communicate with now; so you can exchange emails. I think if you are seeing an escort you know and trust, it should be fine and you can stick to your regular routine(money in envelope on dresser, ect). However, it would be very important to proceed with caution with new escorts if or when the bill passes. Supporting organizations railing against this, can be something we all can do, to do our part in this situation, right now. That's my ramblings Edited June 8, 2014 by Guest Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest S****r Report post Posted June 8, 2014 I don't understand this. Cash is the only thing that doesn't leave a trail. How would an etransfer be safer? I will only make donations now by email to my trusted providers. The times they be changing and time to make it safer for everybody. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fishstick 3041 Report post Posted June 8, 2014 I don't understand this. Cash is the only thing that doesn't leave a trail. How would an etransfer be safer? Excatly Email transfers leave lots of trails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ice4fun 78407 Report post Posted June 8, 2014 If the law passes I will not make any future payments by electronic transfer. I feel pretty confident that when thus bill passes charges under it will be quickly challenged and I think won. While that is iencouraging the reality is even being charged will for most Hobbiests like my self be disastrous....both in terms of my family life (I'm married) and my work. The reality is life will be harder... there will be increased risk and many clients... like myself, will be more cautious about meeting new people. Will it mean I will give up the hobby no... but it will gave impacts. Just my opinion Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cinelli 22184 Report post Posted June 8, 2014 I'm sure it would be very hard to proove that any amount transfered would be for sexual services...it can simply be a gift! Just my opinion!BJ Sorry but when you go to court with Revenue Canada the onus is on you to prove it was not for sexual services. It would be hard for a guy to convince a judge that he gave an SP a thousand dollars out of the goodness of his heart. The Crown prosecutor would make mincemeat out of him. Also re financial reporting: any amount can be reported tro FINTRAK if the reporter deems it worthwhile. There is no limit in actual practice. Most reporting is on the basis of "suspiciousness" rather than amount. IE someone shows up at the bank to deposit $2500 in five dollar bills that smell of oregano. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bianca Jaguar 39183 Report post Posted June 8, 2014 Sorry but when you go to court with Revenue Canada the onus is on you to prove it was not for sexual services. It would be hard for a guy to convince a judge that he gave an SP a thousand dollars out of the goodness of his heart. The Crown prosecutor would make mincemeat out of him. Also re financial reporting: any amount can be reported tro FINTRAK if the reporter deems it worthwhile. There is no limit in actual practice. Most reporting is on the basis of "suspiciousness" rather than amount. IE someone shows up at the bank to deposit $2500 in five dollar bills that smell of oregano. I thought the burden of proof was on the prosecutor side like with criminal charges... If anyone ever been to court with revenu canada it would be nice to hear your story...I had a friend who had issues with revenu quesbec (or canada i cant recall) be he settled it off court! BJ 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Dog 179138 Report post Posted June 8, 2014 It's simple. Drop an envelope for: 1. Interior decorating 2. consulting services 3. meal service 4. Artwork 5. Piano lessons/vocal training/ 6. cleaning services 7. tutoring services 8. pet sitting/dog walker/groomer 9. gardening 10. snow shovelling 11. whatever else you want to hire someone else for.... Seriously? You can have sex with a friend. You can have sex with someone that you have hired to do other services. It's not complicated. Think outside the box!!! (maybe a bad choice of phrasing...) In the meantime, build your contacts. If you don't want to have providers on your main phone, get a burner. Get blackberry messenger. Blackberry has that service because GOVERNMENTS can't monitor the traffic on it. DM on Twitter Text message. There are so many logical solutions folks.... 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest N***he**Ont**y Report post Posted June 8, 2014 I don't understand this. Cash is the only thing that doesn't leave a trail. How would an etransfer be safer? I have never felt comfortable carrying large amounts of cash on me so it would be logical to have it forwarded to a dummy email account for such transactions. After all we use burner phones or register on sites using alias so what is the difference. I am talking about individuals who I have already seen before and such transaction can be masked with no trouble. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roamingguy 300292 Report post Posted June 8, 2014 (edited) I could pay because it is to celebrate the anniversary of our marriage I am paying for "skydiving lessons" Text message...I'm the guy you met the other night, I sure would love to take you out on a dinner date Can we have a FWB relationship Do you want to go out and get a "Timmies" RG Edited June 9, 2014 by r__m__g_uy 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cinelli 22184 Report post Posted June 9, 2014 I thought the burden of proof was on the prosecutor side like with criminal charges...If anyone ever been to court with revenu canada it would be nice to hear your story...I had a friend who had issues with revenu quesbec (or canada i cant recall) be he settled it off court! BJ Revenue Canada has completely different rules than criminal court. Don't mess with them ever. You will not win. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fortunateone 156618 Report post Posted June 9, 2014 I say, pay in advance, a few days before the encounter. not a few days later. We all know how that goes lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drlove 37204 Report post Posted June 9, 2014 I say if either party never mentions sexual activities, then we should be clear, They would have no txt , no email no voice calls, and no ads that mention sex at all. charges just could not stick . When booking an SP that you know, or at least you have already been informed of her service, no mention of details are needed, for new SP then you just go to your date. Drop your envelop AFTER she has touched you or removes clothing. Well, it's not even about whether charges would stick... an arrest (however unlikely) gets a guy's name and /or photo in the papers and the news. That alone would be enough to potentially destroy someone's family or career. Even if they get off scot free, the damage is done. Additional Comments: I feel pretty confident that when thus bill passes charges under it will be quickly challenged and I think won Any idea how long? There are posters on another board saying a challenge could take between 5 to 10 years before everything is said and done. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Studio 110 by Sophia 150333 Report post Posted June 9, 2014 Sorry but when you go to court with Revenue Canada the onus is on you to prove it was not for sexual services. It would be hard for a guy to convince a judge that he gave an SP a thousand dollars out of the goodness of his heart. The Crown prosecutor would make mincemeat out of him. Also re financial reporting: any amount can be reported tro FINTRAK if the reporter deems it worthwhile. There is no limit in actual practice. Most reporting is on the basis of "suspiciousness" rather than amount. IE someone shows up at the bank to deposit $2500 in five dollar bills that smell of oregano. My taxes are claimed as " adult entertainer" I have never claimed as escort, as I do offer a variety, relaxation massage, dancing, party arrangements. So in my case, my taxes do explain entertainment purposes therefore not sexual services. I also claim as a dog groomer, because I still do have clients for that as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cinelli 22184 Report post Posted June 9, 2014 Well, it's not even about whether charges would stick... an arrest (however unlikely) gets a guy's name and /or photo in the papers and the news. That alone would be enough to potentially destroy someone's family or career. Even if they get off scot free, the damage is done. Indeed, the damage is done. US Customs don't ask if you have ever been convicted, they ask if you have ever been arrested or fingerprinted. It's the same thing to them. a challenge could take between 5 to 10 years before everything is said and done. Five years is reasonable. The court itself decides whether a case is worth hearing and how urgent it is. This may be heard sooner as the court itself may feel the new law is in contempt of the court's previous ruling on prostiotution law. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drlove 37204 Report post Posted June 9, 2014 Five years is reasonable. The court itself decides whether a case is worth hearing and how urgent it is. This may be heard sooner as the court itself may feel the new law is in contempt of the court's previous ruling on prostiotution law. Yep...I'm guessing the Supreme Court Justices aren't too pleased with the cons right about now... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
