The End result Of Bill C-36?

[drlove 37204]

Hypothetically speaking of course, assuming some form of Bill C-36 is eventually passed into law, and it is successfully challenged, what would be the likely outcome? That is to say, if the SCC were to rule it unconstitutional, would the government of the day have no choice but to create fair and equitable laws? e.g.(essentially decriminalizing the industry) or, could the government find a way to keep the purchase of sex illegal?

[Guest Ou**or**n]

My guess is they would do what the Mulroney government did over the abortion debate and simply decline to attempt to pass new laws. Thus effectively the New Zealand model. My guess is they won't try and make all prostitution illegal because they had that opportunity now and didn't. My guess is making it illegal would smack too much of it being a moral law rather than the various pretenses such as laws in the past used. The current law uses the pretext of protecting communities and children.

 

Besides, lets hope there is a different government in power when this law gets struck down. Even better, let's hope both the Liberals and New Democrats will campaign on a promise to refer the law to the SCC so that a change of government would eliminate the need for years of court challenges.

[fortunateone 156618]

According to one of the many threads (in other words i don't remember which one :) ) in the News section, it seems like Mckay is saying either this one passes or there won't be anything at all to replace it.

 

Which does NOT mean that there would be no laws regarding prostitution. There are plenty of laws, which cover a variety of scenarios regarding minimum age, coercion, exploitation, and even trafficking, assault and forcible confinement.

 

Here is a recent list of charges against one of 8 people charged recently:

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/human-trafficking-probe-leads-to-8-arrests-44-charges-1.2667062

 

Keep in mind that both McKay, C-36, and abolitionists are all currently saying there are NO laws on the books that can be applied, until or unless C-36 is passed, women, children, and possibly small animals, are all at risk to be trafficked and exploited.

 

Toronto police dept begs to differ, they have arrested 8 people, 2 of them under 18, and laid a total of 44 charges. One of these young guys (all of these people are 25 and under), has had 13 charges laid.

 

Brian Mackenzie, 22, of Toronto, was charged with:

 

1) Trafficking of a Person under the age of 18 years

2) Material Benefit Resulting from Trafficking in Persons

3) Procure to become a Prostitute

4) Living on the Avails of Juvenile Prostitution

5) Exercise Control

6) Uttering Threats

7) Forcible Confinement

8) Telecommunication Agreement to Commit Specific Criminal Offences

9) Fail to Comply with Probation Order

10) Make Child Pornography

11) Import, Distributes, sells or possess for the purpose of Distribute

12) Possession of Child pornography

13) Import, Distributes, sells or possess for the purpose of Distribute.

 

There were 'under 10' victims, from 14-17. (if under 10, why can't they just say it was 8 or 9 or 7 whatever).

 

Here is another successful arrest and charge, this time for someone who was over 18 but coerced.

 

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/newsreleases/29348

 

 

I am not happy with the misrepresentation by govt and abolitionists about the existing laws related to protecting the safety and liberty of underage and/or coerced sex workers. The TPD has proven that the existing laws are sufficient.

[drlove 37204]

According to one of the many threads (in other words i don't remember which one :) ) in the News section, it seems like Mckay is saying either this one passes or there won't be anything at all to replace it.

 

Which does NOT mean that there would be no laws regarding prostitution. There are plenty of laws, which cover a variety of scenarios regarding minimum age, coercion, exploitation, and even trafficking, assault and forcible confinement.

 

Here is a recent list of charges against one of 8 people charged recently:

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/human-trafficking-probe-leads-to-8-arrests-44-charges-1.2667062

 

Keep in mind that both McKay, C-36, and abolitionists are all currently saying there are NO laws on the books that can be applied, until or unless C-36 is passed, women, children, and possibly small animals, are all at risk to be trafficked and exploited.

 

Toronto police dept begs to differ, they have arrested 8 people, 2 of them under 18, and laid a total of 44 charges. One of these young guys (all of these people are 25 and under), has had 13 charges laid.

 

 

 

There were 'under 10' victims, from 14-17. (if under 10, why can't they just say it was 8 or 9 or 7 whatever).

 

Here is another successful arrest and charge, this time for someone who was over 18 but coerced.

 

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/newsreleases/29348

 

 

I am not happy with the misrepresentation by govt and abolitionists about the existing laws related to protecting the safety and liberty of underage and/or coerced sex workers. The TPD has proven that the existing laws are sufficient.

 

As far as I'm aware, the old laws are still in full effect until December 21st 2014. This is just Petey talking out of his ass again, as usual.

[Midnite-Energies 110563]

We've seen this exact thing in Halifax recently with the woman charged with pimping underage girls. There were many charges laid all from laws that are present to address many of these things. Anyone who says there are no laws or the laws we have don't work, should get their facts straight.

[Guest *Ste***cque**]

Let's hope when the SCC renders it's decision next time around there is a liberal minded government in power. We probably wouldn't be facing this law now if the conservatives weren't in power when the SCC's ruling came down. If Harper's conservatives are still in power next time, it's anybodies guess.

[drlove 37204]

Let's hope when the SCC renders it's decision next time around there is a liberal minded government in power. We probably wouldn't be facing this law now if the conservatives weren't in power when the SCC's ruling came down. If Harper's conservatives are still in power next time, it's anybodies guess.

 

My biggest fear is that if the new bill/law is successfully challenged in the future, that the government of the day will make prostitution full out illegal. E.g (criminalizing both the buyer and seller, as well as all aspects related to the trade). However, I don't know how likely/realistic that scenario is. Are there any lawyers on the board to enlighten me? I hope I'm wrong, but is that a possibility? Thanks...

[fortunateone 156618]

Much of the discussion, and people's opinions are in here, aka i don't want to keep repeating what I myself have commented on this already.

 

http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=607096#post607096

 

Also recommend everyone check out In the News section, and see the articles, etc others have taken the time to find and post, for discussion. there.

[oldblueeyez 15475]

This is just Petey talking out of his ass again, as usual.

 

If Peter really cared about justice, he'd investigate the decades of carcinogenic pollution coming from a pulp mill in his own constituency. I'm not quite sure...does his father Elmer own a ton of woodland nearby and does he sell pulpwood to this mill?

 

http://halifax.mediacoop.ca/story/all-we-would-do-dig-out-clams-shore-and-bring-pot/30892

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

A good point was made in another thread, in the news, was:

 

If the bill passes, and it causes advertising site to close down, it will greatly impact the amount of arrests that could have been made in the human trafficking or underage cases:(

 

Hopefully this one point will make them want to keep us advertising!