Guest Report post Posted June 12, 2014 I'm just curious about what will be effected from bill C-36 in regards of advertising or websites. The main thing I understand is if the bill passes into law, escorts will have to present ourselves as companions, something I don't mind. However, will talking about erotic massage be breaking this new law? Since it's singling out a type of service. Will blogging be a bad idea, especially if you talk about different things in the industry? Will talking about gift ideas be a bad idea? Will certain pictures be off limits to show? How will bill C-36 affect how escorts or even MA's present themselves? What are some of the things us providers need to know? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Studio 110 by Sophia 150333 Report post Posted June 12, 2014 As a Massage provider, I simply will state " relaxation massage" . All ads will also state " transactions are not for sexual services" the men are just going to have to learn not to ask question like if HJ is included, because the HJ will be free. When a gent will ask me that, I will say " you should read up on laws, I do not charge for sexual acts" If they still do not get it, well I suppose I will decline them until they do get it. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roamingguy 300292 Report post Posted June 12, 2014 Nothing in this bill about two friends getting together is there...two friends who are open and honest with each other and trust one another implicitly. BTW no nudge nudge wink wink here, what I am saying is absolutely true RG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted June 12, 2014 Nothing in this bill about two friends getting together is there...two friends who are open and honest with each other and trust one another implicitly. BTW no nudge nudge wink wink here, what I am saying is absolutely true RG I could imagine that it would be easy for escorts to see their special trusted friends or clients. As long as there's no talk about services in text or emails. However, I'm talking about advertising for new clients and what we will need to do in order to put ourselves "out there." It would be nice to read about peoples opinion about how the bill could affect escorts or MA's advertising. I think you have a great thread idea R.G.! How will Bill C-36 effect the relationship between escorts and regular clients? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Studio 110 by Sophia 150333 Report post Posted June 12, 2014 Peachy, here is a link of this topic I posted in NB discussion, it may help you to decide or foresee how this may go? http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=182070 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrgreen760 37785 Report post Posted June 12, 2014 The life blood and long term viability of any industry rests on both new customers and new suppliers to keep things in balance. Otherwise with no new demand and no new suppliers and it becomes a monopoly of sorts which inevitably is not good for any one. It would seem this proposed law will make in much more difficult and risky for new players on either side of the enter the industry. Peace MG 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midnite-Energies 110563 Report post Posted June 12, 2014 This may be the time where the rubber meets the road. There are industry standard labels and acronyms now so if things were to change drastically, so would that verbiage. Then it becomes a matter of both sides paying attention and respecting the other. By this I mean, coming up with new ways of saying old things. Instead of a BJ or HJ it could be verbal or non verbal communication (depending on whether your mouth is full or not). There will always be advertising so unless they're going to rewrite the laws every time a new innocuous term to describe a sexual act comes into play there are always ways. New comers on the SP side will have to do their homework to understand how the laws impact them and terms that are acceptable. New clients will have to respect the SP's and their terms or risk being shut out. There are ways to reduce the risk but it will still be a risk so until everyone gets used to it, there will be a lot of tension and sensitivity. Those who don't listen, pay attention or offer respect will pay the price. Right now anyone can pop in and out of the industry with little to no problem. They don't need to be serious or long term. If the laws pass as is, this will be more difficult to do. I still see boards like CERB around, just in a different way unless they can be under the radar by being a "non public" place hosted outside Canada. I expect phone use as opposed to email and text will flourish once again. The one thing that those in favor of this bill have ignored and continue to ignore is the fact we are not ignorant, stupid, or victims and we will find a way to prevail and flourish. It won't be easy but it will be worth it and meanwhile, the fight for change will continue. Being pro-active not reactive will go a long way. 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fortunateone 156618 Report post Posted June 12, 2014 Peachy, there is 19 pages on the topic here: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=607096#post607096 Also i would recommend checking out In The News section, where many are providing links to articles and commentaries and information from others interpreting this bill as it is now. In other words, no I do not want to repeat what I have already posted elsewhere, nor do i want to go hunt down my own posts with the links from those various sources lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted June 12, 2014 Please feel free to post any links here. However, I would also appreciate any opinions about Bill C-36 and how it will change advertising, from people who want to participate on this thread. Any information that could be posted here could help and is appreciated. Time to roll up my sleeves, I'm in for a long read, lol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ou**or**n Report post Posted June 13, 2014 My gut feel is this whole industry is going to be unrecognizable in a year. From what I'm hearing the whole advertising part is very unclear. It does say you can advertise and as being an indoor sex worker isn't illegal you it sounds like you could advertise sexual services. However there are two big issues. The first is whether any of the conventional places for advertising will even continue to exist and whether it will be legal for them to accept payments for advertising. Who knows if any of the 'ERBs will be even be around. Same with BP - they may stop. I do see that some of these may move offshore or potentially be sold and moved offshore. Many of the existing owners are known to the government from things like corporations, business permits and tax returns. They may not want to run websites offshore if they are still known to Canadian LE as they may not want to risk the legal hassles. However I do expect there to be offshore-hosted advertising off some sort offered. The next issue is that even you are allowed to advertise sexual services, clients are not allowed to communicate about the purchase of sexual services. From what I'm seeing in other threads, providers will be removing references to sexual services and switching to 'money is for time and companionship' advertising. Nobody yet knows if this will work. Personally I'd prefer to see ladies openly advertise and provide secure means to communicate with them such as encrypted texting apps such as Wickr or permitting a real discussion on the phone. There doesn't seem to be a danger to providers in doing so. The danger to clients would be if the providers phone was tapped. Even then I'm sure all client's will be using anonymous hobby phones that can't be linked to them anyways. I guess time will tell. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fortunateone 156618 Report post Posted June 13, 2014 The danger to clients could be that an sp's phone is tapped, however there isn't any legal way for anyone to get the warrant to tap the sp phone. They'd have to show she is potentially doing something illegal, which bill C-36 actually deliberately says (for the most part) that there won't be anything that will criminalize sps. It is a circle, really, on the one hand you can't tap the clients phones, but they are the 'criminals' so if you want to catch them you want to tap their phone. Since sps are not doing anything criminal, it would be an invasion of their privacy to then say you 'need' to tap their phone to find criminals I just don't see any judges wanting to jump into the potential legalities of that. Especially if it means they might find one guy a week, from one sp. There is no upside to such an idea. LE focus will still be 80% street, and 19% massage parlour. And massage parlour is only going to be going in by chance, hoping they find someone in there to charge, since they won't be able to charge the sps, it doesn't leave a lot of other people. Street work, of course, the obvious solution. They have to be able to say they are tough on crime and saving the victims, so they set up an undercover one or two busy nights a month, arrest 10-20 guys a night, and done, saving the children from perverts once again. After that, and only if the funding is there, which it isn't, they will maybe twice a year do an online ad, to get guys coming in to communicate and/or pay for sexual services (as they do in the USA). Easy pickings, the ads will be for 22 year olds offering everything for 150/hr. A ton of red flags to anyone with a bit of common sense, so these ads will get those guys who maybe really are predators (looking for the desperate newbie) or the guys who really haven't done this before and are more likely to be ripped off by an unscrupulous sp than they are to do her any harm. The ads by legit sps will simply look like the ones in the US. time/companionship and roses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest **sh****he***ac***th Report post Posted June 13, 2014 This would be my approach as well RG. In the interim I will work on increasing my friends base accordingly. ;) Nothing in this bill about two friends getting together is there...two friends who are open and honest with each other and trust one another implicitly. BTW no nudge nudge wink wink here, what I am saying is absolutely true RG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roamingguy 300292 Report post Posted June 13, 2014 Just in today's news (already posted) http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=182967 But SCC states anonymity on the internet is a right and police will need a warrant before accessing someone's ISP to get a users identification How this will affect C36, hmmm....??? Probably LE's focus even now more than ever will be street prostitution Just my opinion RG 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest **sh****he***ac***th Report post Posted June 13, 2014 Probably the authorities will focus more on organized crime activities and human trafficking etc. I imagine the police will continue to deal with street prostitution and the like arising from complaints from the general public and from homeowners. Just in today's news (already posted)http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=182967 But SCC states anonymity on the internet is a right and police will need a warrant before accessing someone's ISP to get a users identification How this will affect C36, hmmm....??? Probably LE's focus even now more than ever will be street prostitution Just my opinion RG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
