This is the type of Crap that some ladies are put through on CL

[PistolPete 61421]

Dom, I thought I just throw this out to everyone as it is a great topic to openly discuss, some people have issues with others living on City/Government financial support.

 

I have issues with non support for those that are in these support programs and not followed up by local government to ensure compliance, or those abusing the system.

 

 

In those areas of Ottawa, are City project areas are for a roof over their heads in support, some people in those areas are financially okay and are taking a place for those more needy.

 

Men and woman that require financial assistance to support themselves and their kids, should be able to receive a roof over their head with support from the city/government.

 

Otherwise we would have a bigger problem, with homeless. I have no issues with what a SP may do in her time to again financial assist herself to make ends meat in today's world.

 

Unemployment,working for a minimum wage sometimes may not put food on their table. The issue I have is when they use their income to support habits such as drugs, alcohol and cigarettes.

 

This topic has been around for years, and probably will not go away but it is a good topic for discussion as many have different views on the subject.

[Guest ***ky12***]

I will be honest and say that I don't really think either is "right" but I do think that one is way worse than the other. Just to be clear it is the douche-bag guy that was worse.

 

You can't really comment on the fact that they might be collecting financial aid until you know the full details of their story of why they are. People are sooo quick to judge the flaws of other but sometimes if you take the time to hear them out you will see why they have a good reason for doing what they are doing.

 

 

I just saw this thread and wanted to make a small statement. This guy is clearly a douche (PERIOD). But something that i wasn't quite aware of... does it not bother anyone else that these women that collect financial aid? I'm on the fence here and don't fully understand it. if anyone would like to help me understand a pm would be appreciated.

 

Really not trying to be a dick here... just unsure of this whole thing.

 

Play safe

DoM

[Andee 220524]

Dom, I thought I just throw this out to everyone as it is a great topic to openly discuss, some people have issues with others living on City/Government financial support.

 

I have issues with non support for those that are in these support programs and not followed up by local government to ensure compliance, or those abusing the system.

 

 

In those areas of Ottawa, are City project areas are for a roof over their heads in support, some people in those areas are financially okay and are taking a place for those more needy.

 

Men and woman that require financial assistance to support themselves and their kids, should be able to receive a roof over their head with support from the city/government.

 

Otherwise we would have a bigger problem, with homeless. I have no issues with what a SP may do in her time to again financial assist herself to make ends meat in today's world.

 

Unemployment,working for a minimum wage sometimes may not put food on their table. The issue I have is when they use their income to support habits such as drugs, alcohol and cigarettes.

 

This topic has been around for years, and probably will not go away but it is a good topic for discussion as many have different views on the subject.

 

With welfare for a single person being somewhere around $560 a month and ODSP being around $900, even if their shelter is subsized by Ottawa Housing, let's face it, it is human nature to try and find ways to get more money even if you're not boozing or drugging it up - but that just makes the incentive higher.

 

And let's be reminded of the people on assistance who aren't in subsidized housing paying market rents. I don't know of many places where you can rent a room for $360 a month (which is the shelter portion for welfare) - so can you really blame them?

 

I'm not saying I agree with it, but if was me, I'd probably resort to the same. I remember years ago when I was going to University and having to decide some days if I should eat and then have to walk for over half an hour each way and back to school or use what little money I had left to take the street car.

 

So whether they are SPs or not, I can see it happening.

 

As you said Pete, this topic has been around for years and I believe will never go away.

[Voluptuous BBW Cat 110]

Ty angie meeting a delightful lady like you has given me hope.

[cordsboy 184]

This guy is clearly a douche (PERIOD). DoM

 

douche, I forgot about that great word, thanks.

[kih 458]

Thanks for sharing Pete. The extorting individual is a pathetic scumbag as far as I'm concerned. They really need to get a life.

[mark101 214]

well people who want to harm other people are lowlifes and it's to bad that by FM (freaking magic) be removed from the gen poll

[scout251 166]

This is an update to the earlier thread "This is the type of Crap that some ladies are put through on CL" started by Pistol Pete

 

I figured I'd start a new thread so that it draws attention. According to the update on CL ... this "Client" is upping his game (See below). Careful ladies - DON'T answer blocked calls!! And be safe!! The text below was posted on CL today ...

 

He's at it again. This guy will threaten to call Ottawa Housing or welfare if you don't give him a freebie. Even if you say you have muscle in the next room, it doesn't faze him - he's very tall and big.

 

I see 1-2 girls a week and have been hearing this story from the ones I've gotten to know. One girl living across From Billings got evicted - Ottawa Housing received over 20 photocopies of her ads and she was stupid enough to put her home number in the ad and they traced it back after they investigated. She told them it was someone trying to frame her. Then they said, sorry, we had a few guys phone your ad and you were offerring services.

 

If it happens to you, and even if you say it's not your apartment, you're just working there, he reminds you the renter will be in shit.

 

He may try to take your picture with a camera phone

He's tall, reddish brown hair, - very charming on the phone.

calls from a blocked number - another reason NOT to answer blocked numbers.

 

If he does that to you, suggest you call his bluff, follow him out and try and get his license plate and post it here.

 

Scout

[mod 135640]

I see no reason to start a new one... we are all aware of the crap CL attracts no need to bring it all to cerb (warning or not). If the ladies have info on this (or any guy like this) they can post it in the SP ONLY area.

 

If they do not get a phone number and confirm it from the guys... this is the crap that happens. If they get his phone number they will BLACK LIST him and warn others.

 

Please do not start new threads on the same topics.

[Newton 714]

CL is bad. That's all I'll say.

[Voluptuous BBW Cat 110]

ty sweets fir the warning.

[Andee 220524]

I am so glad I am not in this situation.

 

I believe some ladies answer blocked numbers because they are afraid to turn away business.

 

I think most genuine clients understand the rationale behind an SPs policies not to answer blocked calls.

 

Those who continue to call blocked and those who continue to answer and book - sorry to say, deserve what they get.

 

I am concerned about the poster's advice to follow the guy out to get his license plate - I would be very careful in doing so - it might cause further problems including a physical altercation.

 

Another reason to stay away from CL.

[Meg O'Ryan 266444]

Thanks Angela!!!! So gentlemen.....even more reason to support the lovely ladies of CERB

[Guest W***ledi*Time]

... I am concerned about the poster's advice to follow the guy out to get his license plate - I would be very careful in doing so - it might cause further problems including a physical altercation ...

 

Yes, good advice.

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

Those who continue to call blocked and those who continue to answer and book - sorry to say, deserve what they get.

Threatening someone to force them to submit to sex is rape. I don't believe these women "deserve what they get". Answering a blocked call is a stupid mistake, but it doesn't mean the woman deserved to be raped.

[TracieGold 282]

We can not be so easy to judge others....the ladies who responded to blocked numbers have their personal reasons to do so, and more often it is a money issue. NOBODY DESERVES to be threatened....tis bastard is totally scum.....he can not use women as if we were in the 1800's. I* wish I could get my hands on him....I tell you I do not support this kind of crap.....

remember something:

we are all judged, particularly when people knows we are in this business...who are we to judge the women who answered blocked numbers....?

I do not answer to those, but I completely understand those ladies who do so and, being a person who believes in God...whatever His affiliation, I do not censor anyone....

This reminds me of a lady being killed in the Western Parkway 2 years ago...some people said "she was a prostitute, no loss"....what????????????

no loss my ass...she was a human being and who in hell are you to judge her way of making a living??????????????

I know a couple of ladies who are in desperate, I mean desperate need, and they answer to blocked numbers....they be blessed....all the danger they go through, just to EAT!!!!

Please let's be civil and understand others....

Tracie G.b:cry:

[rickoshadows 937]

Extortion is still extortion whether the reason you are being extorted for is legal or not. This guy appear to be eventually outing his targets whether he gets what he wants or not. Report him!

[wellie 652]

Threatening someone to force them to submit to sex is rape. I don't believe these women "deserve what they get". Answering a blocked call is a stupid mistake' date=' but it doesn't mean the woman deserved to be raped.[/quote']

I agree with Megan"s sentiment. Women do not deserve to be raped for a stupid mistake.

But, Angelaof Ottawa did NOT say that women who answer blocked calls deserve to be raped. She said "deserve what they get". Most of the times, this does not include rape.

My contribution:

Peace

[Andee 220524]

Threatening someone to force them to submit to sex is rape. I don't believe these women "deserve what they get". Answering a blocked call is a stupid mistake' date=' but it doesn't mean the woman deserved to be raped.[/quote']

 

Whoa - I never said they deserve to get raped. Maybe "Deserve" was not the best choice of words, but I believe we "reap what we sow"

 

What I meant was a lot of girls who answer blocked calls complain about no-shows or guys showing up at odd hours and ringing their bell when they're not supposed to, or showing up late and they have someone else there. Or they have a problem and then no record on their phone.

 

It's just common sense from a booking, not to mention safety point of view that you shouldn't accept calls from blocked numbers.

 

I understand what Tracie is saying, but I don't think anyone has to accept blocked numbers these days. Most guys understand they need to meet us half way. If they don't, then those who do are desperate are opening themselves up to potential trouble. In fact, I hate to say this because I will probably get more flack, but the only girls I ever met who habitually booked from blocked calls were drug users.

 

I know some girls who will answer blocked numbers but insist that if the guy wants to book, he needs to call back from a unblocked number.

 

if this guy shows up and threatens a lady, she had no phone number to report him. I don't believe he is raping anyone, just threatening, so probably some are going along with it, which is extortion and it's not right.

 

But if they didn't accept his blocked call, it would minimize this happening - he wouldn't visit them - that's all I was saying.

 

We have enough of a hard time doing this business - we don't need some jerk going around making it even harder for ladies who are in a low power position because they happen to live in Ottawa Housing.

 

I hope whoever he is, he gets what coming to him.

 

This is so sad. I hate to sound judgmental as I have been in "desperate" situations in my life before and I do not mean to "blame the victim", but everyone has to take responsibility for how they do business and answering blocked calls is just bad business period, in my opinion.

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

I understand what Tracie is saying, but I don't think anyone has to accept blocked numbers these days. Most guys understand they need to meet us half way. If they don't, then those who do are desperate are opening themselves up to potential trouble. In fact, I hate to say this because I will probably get more flack, but the only girls I ever met who habitually booked from blocked calls were drug users.

This is exactly the point. Women in desperate situations (drug users, etc.) deserve our support, not our judgment.

 

I don't believe he is raping anyone, just threatening, so probably some are going along with it, which is extortion and it's not right.

When a big, strong man comes into your home and tells you “have sex with me or I’m going to report you to ODSP and have your children taken away” that is rape or at least attempted rape. There is no consent. Threats and intimidation = rape.

 

But if they didn't accept his blocked call, it would minimize this happening - he wouldn't visit them - that's all I was saying.

Actually, what would minimize rape is if people stopped raping others. We could go on forever blaming women…….. if women didn’t wear short skirts, if women didn’t act provocative, if women didn’t go out alone at night, if women didn’t escort, if women didn't accept blocked calls, etc. but ultimately 100% of the responsibility rests in the hands of the rapist. *Rape victims are not responsible for their own rape*.

[jdstar 1065]

 

Actually' date=' what would minimize rape is if people stopped raping others. We could go on forever blaming women??.. if women didn?t wear short skirts, if women didn?t act provocative, if women didn?t go out alone at night, if women didn?t escort, if women didn't accept blocked calls, etc. but ultimately 100% of the responsibility rests in the hands of the rapist. *Rape victims are not responsible for their own rape*.[/quote']

 

...and we could solve world hunger if we could just get everybody to eat something.

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

I don't think problems like rape and hunger will ever go away. But I think we can do what we can to make them as minimal as possible.

[Guest W***ledi*Time]

Crime and misery will always be with us. And I believe that it should be entirely possible to make suggestions as to how potential victims of rape or hunger might go about taking practical precautions of their own to reduce their risk of actually falling victim ... without at the same time either "blaming the victim" or being accused of "blaming the victim".

 

In an ideal world, no one would have to bother to lock their doors at night. But this is not an ideal world that we find ourselves living in. Unfortunately, in practice, those of us who leave our doors unlocked will wind up being robbed more often than will those of us who take the practical precaution of locking our doors. Rhetoric about "blame" and "judgement" aside, practical precautions can have positive results.

 

Our world is not simply black -- or simply white.

[Andee 220524]

When a big' date=' strong man comes into your home and tells you ?have sex with me or I?m going to report you to ODSP and have your children taken away? that is rape or at least attempted rape. There is no consent. Threats and intimidation = rape.

[/quote']

 

I never thought of this as rape, but I suppose one could view it that way , but even if she gives in, there is no guarantee he won't report her anyways. Who's to say he'd report her at all? It's not a situation I would wish on anyone.

 

My final word on the subject is, he's obviously calling from a blocked number, so don't answer blocked numbers if you are afraid of this happening to you. Just like, don't walk down that dark alley if there have been reports of assaults in dark alleys. Yes, you should be able to answer whatever calls you want or walk wherever you want, but I'm talking common sense where there have been warnings.

 

You can say what you want about blaming the victim, judging the victim or that a perp is 100%, but everyone has to take some responsibility in trying to minimize risks, that's all I was saying.

 

Other than stopping working, I figured not answering block calls was the best solution.

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

I never thought of this as rape, but I suppose one could view it that way , but even if she gives in, there is no guarantee he won't report her anyways. Who's to say he'd report her at all? It's not a situation I would wish on anyone.

Compare it to a threat of violence: "If you don't have sex with me, I will stab you with this knife." Surely that's rape? Yes, he could still stab you even if you have sex with him. The point is that when a person threatens and intimidates another into sex, there is no consent and it is rape.

 

I also agree in educating people and doing what you can to minimize the risk. This is what I meant by support rather than judgment.