Does GFE mean you do things unsafe!

[fortunateone 156618]

I strongly disagree with this statement. PSE as a style of service has no bearing on the safety of the service performed.

 

This has been covered several times in the forum. See this reference.

 

 

I agree. I doub that any clients or sps would ever assume or provide bbfs or bb greek just because the PSE term is used. I do not however think that anyone should be surprised if clients and sps assume it to include bbbjs tho. There would be a more extreme level of activity anyway.

 

For the OP, there is also no reason for you to provide bbbjs at all, no matter how "clean" you assume those trusted clients are. Do it or not do it, but if you do it for some and not others, the others tend to get offended when you do not do it for them, imo. Do it for extra and be prepared to provide for all, or none, that is my opinion. No reason to provide it at all, anyway, if you are not prepared to offer it to everyone.

 

Just use the term Safe GFE. That means the potential client will not be able to assume you provide bbbjs or daty. If you already provide kissing and a sweet and huggable encounter, then you are fulfilling the standard assumptions of the term. And there are assumptions about the term so anyone using it has to be prepared to address those common assumptions.

 

Within that term you just list the things that you do provide, so there is no misunderstandings.

 

We simply cannot assume that using a term like GFE and PSE is going to have universally accepted items, so it is up to the sp to determine what she provides, how to use the term and make sure she is being consistent or at least up front about what the clients could expect to get. Safe GFE helps a lot, as does a list of dos and don'ts that's all.

 

But you do not have to adhere to that portion of clients who are trying to insist the term must include bbbjs or daty, for example, to "qualify". There are some who use GFE in ads, when imo they actually provide PSE., There is no romance, there is daty, bbbjs, dfk, and non stop action with little or no communication. That to me is not GFE, it is PSE.

[Lexy Grace 103697]

My version of PSE (The Way I LIKE IT!!!)= dirty talk, pussy spanking, spitting on genitalia while bbbj/cbj (yes I have done it cbj as requested), hair pulling during whatever (consensually), tit smacking/spanking either with hands or cock, gagging giving oral then spitting on it like a dirty lil bitch until you eyes overwhelmingly tear up (HUGE FAN BTW), blowing cum bubbles after CIM, hmmmmm....let's see what else....tasting digits after been inside (nothing unusual), BUT IMHO, not everything PSE "style" as you lovely ladies call it, require to be condom optional! The important thing to remember is to trust your instinct at best, and if you have to think about it too long, you should probably use a condom!

I had found that definition on some urban....site. I do agree with the whole experience of it and not just the condom aspect and have had the pleasure of enjoying said "experience". It can and is very fun!!

 

I hope you don't mind that I have added some of the PSE things that I do to my website. I just had not put them under my PSE services and your post helped classify them. Thank you!!

 

Lexy

[PoorGuy 1098]

Generally speaking, GFE in Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver means kissing, BBBJ, and DATY. The rest of the country is SAFE GFE.

 

Generally speaking.

[Alannah 135]

I think the greatest term mentioned here is YMMV.(At least I was relieved to find this 1) *This leaves it open for you to decide, depending on the situation if yoy want to include a service, additionally covered or otherwise. *ultimately its up to you but weigh the risks. - and don't go against your "gut" feeling-

Good Luck beautifull

XxXxXx- Alannah

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[Ava Foxx 1747]

Generally speaking, GFE in Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver means kissing, BBBJ, and DATY. The rest of the country is SAFE GFE.

 

Generally speaking.

 

It is wrong to assume that GFE means certain "services" are required. This goes against the point that everyone has been trying to make; that GFE is an EXPERIENCE not a list of services.

[bailey summer of Winnipeg 262]

I had found that definition on some urban....site. I do agree with the whole experience of it and not just the condom aspect and have had the pleasure of enjoying said "experience". It can and is very fun!!

 

I hope you don't mind that I have added some of the PSE things that I do to my website. I just had not put them under my PSE services and your post helped classify them. Thank you!!

 

Lexy

 

 

Not at all! It's all to often I get an email on my website from a new client, asking to me clarify it for them, they automatically assume that "GFE" & "PSE" are one in the same, or quite closely resembled when it cums to the initial performance. But once I reply to them, & explain the true difference between the two (IMO), I usually get booked immediately thereafter! So go ahead girl & feel free to borrow some of my definitions of "PSE" all you want, it's simply just my clear perception of how my "PSE" experience's should be performed!!!! But hey, that's just me....:bddog:

 

[Lexy Grace 103697]

Not at all! It's all to often I get an email on my website from a new client, asking to me clarify it for them, they automatically assume that "GFE" & "PSE" are one in the same, or quite closely resembled when it cums to the initial performance. But once I reply to them, & explain the true difference between the two (IMO), I usually get booked immediately thereafter! So go ahead girl & feel free to borrow some of my definitions of "PSE" all you want, it's simply just my clear perception of how my "PSE" experience's should be performed!!!! But hey, that's just me....:bddog:

 

Thank you. That urban....site I found for info was not very helpful.

 

Big Hugs,

 

Lexy

[Sensfan123 101]

As someone new here I would say that the GFE experience provided by a Lady is up to the Lady. No two girlfriends I have dated were the same so I would not expect a generic GFE experience. Botton line it is the lady who decides, and if a gentlemen does not agree then maybe he is not a gentlemen.

[Guest a**m*s]

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[Selena_20 333]

I can't believe the response and after reviewing each one, i feel better and understand where everybody stands now. You all confirmed what I already knew.

 

This place is great and thank you for taking the time to respond. GREATLY appreciated.

 

GFE to me means kissing cuddling and being intimate. It has nothing to do with unprotected sex.

 

Yes I thought of that lol. They may be trying to give you something if they don't care about it being protected. HA Ha

 

Tks Everybody xoxoxoxoxoxo

[cutescott69 333]

The use of the term 'Safe' GFE, to me anyway, provides clarity on the BBBJ issue. As that specific service is a pre-requisite for my hobbying activities (and possibly many others?), it saves me time, and avoids me having to ask the questions of an SP, thus saving her unnecessary responses as well. Rightly or wrongly, GFE in certain other markets does 'usually' include BBBJ, although one of course should never assume. Courtesy and respect should always be present in any communications.

[fortunateone 156618]

It is wrong to assume that GFE means certain "services" are required. This goes against the point that everyone has been trying to make; that GFE is an EXPERIENCE not a list of services.

 

I agree to a point, in that the most essential thing is that there is non-GFE, GFE (safe or otherwise) and PSE, and that it is ok to use the terms GFE and PSE, but the sp needs to be aware that in her region these terms do have pre-determined assumptions as to what they mean. It is kind of like saying that in a retail store they put up a sign that says "clearance sale" but not one thing in the store is discounted. Everything in the store is "for sale" but putting up the sign implies that something, if not everything is going to be discounted off regular price. Using a term like GFE in advertising already implies some services are included in that price, and that it is not going to be straight fs with no extras whatsoever other than a friendly smile and romantic music. I mention this because some sps do advertise GFE and this is what they end up providing. You can state ymmv whenever you like, but to advertise with a term that does have certain expectations will eventually lead to misunderstandings, hurt feelings, upset and unhappy clients, and that is never a good thing. I would just add that anyone expecting a GFE provider to engage in anything that she considers risky (like bbbjs, for the easiest example) is not very "friendly" of such a client, imo. One hopes that the clients seeking Girl Friendly Experiences ultimately are looking for a fun, relaxed and friendly sp who is comfortable with providing a more intimate encounter while still protecting her own and other clients health and safety.

[Guest Ou**or**n]

Interesting points from fortunateone in terms of expectations of the term GFE in different markets.

 

The issue is fairly simple. This part of the industry involves ladies that need to advertise what they do (ie: they are not SW's). Given the uncertainty of the law and communication the easiest way to advertise full service sexual services is to use the term GFE. It is everywhere - Sun ads, CL, websites, review boards - you name it. GFE means your seeing an escort and little else. Safe GFE means your seeing an escort and your BJ will be covered. PSE means your seeing an escort and she'll be noisy ;)

 

To have any understanding at all about specifics of services and her style you'll need to look for specifics on a website, a review or engage in some sort of communication with the lady directly.

[Guest W***ledi*Time]

....Given the uncertainty of the law and communication ...

 

The choice of advertising terms should have nothing to do with the law. Prostitution is legal in Canada. It is also legal to advertise in print and on the internet ("right of free speech"), and to speak plainly in doing so. The laws against communication-for-the-purpose apply to "Public Places"; print media and cyberspace are not "public places" for this purpose.

[Guest Ou**or**n]

The choice of advertising terms should have nothing to do with the law. Prostitution is legal in Canada. It is also legal to advertise in print and on the internet ("right of free speech"), and to speak plainly in doing so. The laws against communication-for-the-purpose apply to "Public Places"; print media and cyberspace are not "public places" for this purpose.

 

Oh, I completely agree with you! I meant that many ladies are unaware of the laws and create their advertising around the US-influenced 'time if for companionship only' style of communicating services. This is particularly true on CL where many ladies are entering the business without much knowledge of its legal status in Canada.

 

Phone calls are also private yet many ladies are very hesitant to discuss specifics of services offered by phone. A greater understanding of the law would go a long way towards getting away from this silly generic GFE term that has become meaningless and towards more specific discussions which would eliminate much of the disappointment and confusion that occurs.

[Selena_20 333]

Yes being an escort is legal but soliciting is illegal. Soliciting would include talking about sex, discuss pre terms and abbreviations before hand and placing these in your ads.

 

Even GFE could be misinterpreted as soliciting for sex. I am new but I have done some homework. This is in CAnada by the way.

 

Additional Comments:

Going back the the earliest post, I think GFE means an intimate encounter. That is just me and I guess we all have different points of view. I guess I just assumed that the general public even the hobbyist were being safe considering what is out there. ;)

[Peachka 4334]

The term GFE has so many different interpretations now that it means very little to me anymore. Almost all ads state that the SP is a GFE.

[PistolPete 61421]

Going back the the earliest post, I think GFE means an intimate encounter. That is just me and I guess we all have different points of view.

 

There is nothing like an intimate encounter:wink: My point of view on it as well.:grin:

[mod 135640]

Yes being an escort is legal but soliciting is illegal. Soliciting would include talking about sex, discuss pre terms and abbreviations before hand and placing these in your ads.

 

Even GFE could be misinterpreted as soliciting for sex. I am new but I have done some homework. This is in CAnada by the way.

 

This is actually not correct. You can solicit sex in Canada as long as you do NOT do it in a PUBLIC PLACE. (Place being the key word).

 

You can advertise in newspapers, online, magazines and even TV as these are mediums and not considered a "PLACE" by definition of the laws. Advertising yourself as a full service sex worker (prostitute) is completely legal as long as you are not discussing or soliciting sex in a public location. This includes on the street, in a hotel lobby, on someones front lawn, in a car on a public street, etc...

 

Back in the 80's this law was challenged when a magazine in Toronto that was allowing explicit ads to be printed for prostitution was charged wrongfully. The case was brought to the supreme court to get a more clear definition on what is and is not allowed. The court determined that a magazine is not a public "PLACE" and therefor a new precedence was set making newspapers, magazines and now the internet completely legal places to advertise as a prostitute. You can be as explicit as you wish (as long as the medium you are advertising in allows it) without fear of being charged for solicitation.

 

Now... if you are explicit and say you do in calls you could be in trouble as a in call location can be considered a common place of prostitution (and we do have laws for common bawdy house).

 

FYI in the USA if you use a term like BBBJ your still busted as they consider the terms just as illegal as your not fooling anyone by using these terms.

[Mikeyboy 27133]

Thanks for the clarification MOD. I've often wondered about the laws and how they apply here in the virtual world. This is good to know.

[TracieGold 282]

Thanks God for our MOD.....

I agree 100% with Ava, GFE is a style and "safety" goes both ways....we ave eyes....you can look carefully before you place your mouth somewhere.....with "regulars" it is easy, wit newbies is not....

GFE means also a level of tenderness we all need, the relaxing experience that gets lusty....the relax time that gets cuddly....we are all different but is one thing that unites us: we are all in need of affection and care....sex is a part of it disguising the rest of basic needs....

Hugs to all

Tracie G.:mrgreen:

[Selena_20 333]

I guess I misread or maybe didn't understand what they meant when it came to soliciting. Thanks for the clarification. xoxo

[MMM 102]

The thing is that with full service, there is no such thing as "safe". So while you can reduce the risk, it'll never be completely safe. I believe condoms have a failure rate of about 1/10.

 

Now given that I believe it's far more likely to contract a serious std from vaginal or anal intercourse than it is with oral, I'd probably say a bbbj is probably less risky than covered full service. Say it's a tenth less likely to contract an std through oral than it is vaginal, then the odds of catching an std through a bbbj would be even with catching one with safe FS.

 

Also, it would probably be much safer to give a bbbj then put the condom on for FS then it is use the same condom for both the bj and fs as has happened with most sps I've seen. A cbj is probably putting the condom at risk for wear and tear. Using a condom for each one would probably be much safer.

 

I'm not saying an SP should be obligated to perform a bbbj (unless they're adversting PSE) as putting a complete stranger's you-know-what into your mouth might not be the most comfortable thing. However, it's still relatively a safe thing IMO, at least as safe a covered FS and maybe even safer (I don't know the exact statistics).

 

Also, with COF/COB, most SPs would charge extra for this, or not do it at all and that's understandable a bit since like a bbbj, it's not exactly the most comfortable thing to do with a stranger. But it would have to be much safer given the aforementioned failure rate of condoms wouldn't it? It would be pretty much impossible to catch an std from COB whereas, even with a condom, CIP would still be somewhat risky. About one tenth of all clients who have CIP with an SP have probably done so with a broken condom so you'd actually think SPs would be encouraging COB, rather than refusing it or charging extra.

[Guest Ou**or**n]

There are studies all over the map in terms of condom failure rates however from what I've read they range from .5 to 2.5% Also most studies show a small percentage of users show the highest percentage of failures. This means that some amount of the failure rate due to user behavior. Experienced users have much lower failure rates.

 

Now I think it would be reasonable to assume the SP's would fall into the category of experienced users of condoms and would be knowledgeable in both their proper application and would be sensitive to signs of slippage. Thus I feel it would be quite reasonable to assume failure rates of <1% with SP's.

 

Put another way, vaginal sex with a condom is 100 times safer than sex without.

 

Given that most reputable SP's are tested regularly one can see that the safest sex you can have outside a long-term monogamous relationship is with an SP.

 

There are about 1500 new cases of heterosexual HIV transmission in Canada a year (many the result of unprotected sex) and approximately 3000 traffic deaths. The drive to see the SP is far more dangerous than having protected sex with her.

[mod 135640]

The thing is that with full service, there is no such thing as "safe". So while you can reduce the risk, it'll never be completely safe. I believe condoms have a failure rate of about 1/10.

 

YIKES!! I have to agree with outforfun on this one! ... 1 out of 10?!?! No WAY!

 

If you are experiencing a 1/10 failure you are using them wrong! Sharp Finger nails, putting it on wrong, wrong size maybe, who knows??? but 1/10 failure is not right and you need to find out what your doing wrong!!

 

I am sure a lot of people don't use condoms correctly. You need to open the package properly (No sharp finger nails to aggressive tearing), you need to place it on yourself the right side up (So it rolls down properly) ...and... you need to get all the AIR out of the reservoir tip before you roll er on (or it will come off)!

 

If it is too tight it can break easy and if it's too loose it can come off... and if you successfully put it on backwards I would suspect it would come off as most are lubricated on the OUTSIDE... I would think putting it on backwards would be difficult but low light and a fast application of one... you just never know.

 

I think the average is 2% failure (98% safe) and that is probably high these days as I am sure technology is always improving as this is a HUGE business.

 

I would suspect that most condom failure is not the condom but the person using it improperly.