Ottawa prostitutes compiling list of government officials using their services

[rockyandbullwinkle 527]

here is a link to the discussion on Reddit

 

 

Does anyone heard anything about this? I don't know if there is any truth at all but I would think something like that would be pretty risky. Thoughts?

[Ice4fun 78407]

I have seen some discussion if it on Twitter but i really hope it's not true. This business is built on privacy and confidentiality if that is destroyed even for this reason it will make trust very hard in the future.

 

Outing someone as a client or a sex worker is ALWAYS a bad idea and will have impacts on more than the person outted... think about family friends etc.

 

This is a BAD IDEA

 

Just my opinion.

[Andee 220524]

Just another example of fear mongering and people trying to start shit just because....

 

I can say truthfully I don't know of any reputable sex workers who would care or dare to do this.

 

Rubbish, as far as I am concerned.

[Meg O'Ryan 266444]

Seriously laughing my ass off right now! Don't ya love silly rumours!

[roamingguy 300292]

Don't know about it, and yes, a bad idea. Companions do make their living in large part on being discrete

But isn't there just a little part of us wishing Harper and MacKay are on this "list" and maybe also hoping Joy Smith was "lonely" one night and saw a male escort for company:icon_twisted:

But out of fantasyland, and back to reality, it really is bad idea, the thin edge of the wedge. If a lady ceases to be discrete if she is seeing politicians, who else is she indiscrete with. Not worth lowering yourself to a politician's level...hope they remember that

A rambling

 

RG

[EmilyRushton 253377]

Some people have way to much time on their hands to come up with this crap....I mean why would any of us admit we actually spent time with a wet blanket Tory - if they are that boring in real life imagine the social skills they would bring to the bedroom (NO THANKS). I think NOT EVER....YUCK. Date would be declined before it even happened.

[roamingguy 300292]

Some people have way to much time on their hands to come up with this crap....I mean why would any of us admit we actually spent time with a wet blanket Tory - if they are that boring in real life imagine the social skills they would bring to the bedroom (NO THANKS). I think NOT EVER....YUCK. Date would be declined before it even happened.

 

I can see it now, Peter MacKay's reference, Joy Smith LOL

 

RG :-)

[mrgreen760 37785]

Strange things happen in strange times one of the reasons no one knows my personal information aside from a cell phone no.

 

Peace

MG

[fortunateone 156618]

Someone has been running around trying to spread this as fact.

 

Consider the source, is all I can say.

 

fyi, POWER tweeted a response to the rumour, saying it is not true.

 

[Meg O'Ryan 266444]

Someone has been running around trying to spread this as fact.

 

Consider the source, is all I can say.

 

fyi, POWER tweeted a response to the rumour, saying it is not true.

 

 

Of course it's not true. However, it's pretty damn funny how gullible some people are...."if it's on the internet , it must be true!"

[Meaghan McLeod 179664]

maybe also hoping Joy Smith was "lonely" one night and saw a male escort for company:icon_twisted:

 

RG

 

Do you think she would see a guy? She thinks we should give it away. Lol

[roamingguy 300292]

 

Additional Comments:

Of course it's not true. However' date=' it's pretty damn funny how gullible some people are...."if it's on the internet , it must be true!"[/quote']

 

Mind you this guy said I'm not going to be gullible and look how it turned out for him LOL

But then again he wasn't seeing a true professional companion

[76Traveller 654]

Some people have way to much time on their hands to come up with this crap....I mean why would any of us admit we actually spent time with a wet blanket Tory - if they are that boring in real life imagine the social skills they would bring to the bedroom (NO THANKS). I think NOT EVER....YUCK. Date would be declined before it even happened.

 

Hey, wait a second. There's no way this is why we're stuck with Bill-36? Too many Conservative MPs got turned down for dates and this is their revenge? ;)

[Old Dog 179138]

True or not, it definitely is an interesting thought.

 

I think Canadians would really like to know what (or whom) CPC MPs are spending their Ottawa expense money on.... they certainly were intrigued by senators Duffy, Wallin and Brazeau.

 

I also think that should a list exist or not, the POSSIBILITY of the existence of a list of CPC MPs that have acted as "perverts" and "paid rapists" during their term or terms of office would certainly raise eyebrows.

 

I think Canadians would LOVE to see this list (whether or not it exists...)

 

The fact that a list MAY exist might just cause a few MPs to resign... or certainly NOT show up to vote on the third reading in the fall. It might also cause a few CPC senators to reconsider their positions (although I am really sad that the Stephen Harper appointed CPC senator and former employee of Bare Fax, Patrick Brazeau, will not be sitting in judgment of this bill.)

 

Now I wonder if the LIST could exist.... hmmmmm.

[piano8950 32577]

I have a theory on C36. With the 2015 election coming up, and some speculating it will be held in Spring instead of October, the Conservatives are gearing up for a fight. And the best way to do it is with something to galvanize the base to donate as much money as possible. C36 is the best thing that could've happened to the conservatives. Its the best sort of fundraising tool they could imagine.

 

Sadly, while I am wholeheartedly opposed to such a list, it would be so helpful to fight the bill. It would put the cons on the defensive, their main speaking point for fundraising will have dried up, and they would have to move onto other things to make this a distant memory before the next election.

 

SPs could collectively end conservative rule and help their cause and safety, yet have the decency to protect their privacy.

[Ice4fun 78407]

True or not, it definitely is an interesting thought.

 

I think Canadians would really like to know what (or whom) CPC MPs are spending their Ottawa expense money on.... they certainly were intrigued by senators Duffy, Wallin and Brazeau.

 

I also think that should a list exist or not, the POSSIBILITY of the existence of a list of CPC MPs that have acted as "perverts" and "paid rapists" during their term or terms of office would certainly raise eyebrows.

 

I think Canadians would LOVE to see this list (whether or not it exists...)

 

The fact that a list MAY exist might just cause a few MPs to resign... or certainly NOT show up to vote on the third reading in the fall. It might also cause a few CPC senators to reconsider their positions (although I am really sad that the Stephen Harper appointed CPC senator and former employee of Bare Fax, Patrick Brazeau, will not be sitting in judgment of this bill.)

 

Now I wonder if the LIST could exist.... hmmmmm.

 

A list of this type would do nothing to stop this legislation or change the minds of CPC... let's get real. this on a base level might appeal to us as a way to get "even" with a politician or cause them some pain or stress but the long term impact will more likely be negative on Service Providers themselves. This business is built on the premise of mutual need for discretion and confidentiality as soon as clients start to wonder if their personal info will be made public they will have even more reason to leave the industry.... there is no such thing as I would name a politician but not you.... you can either be trusted or not.

 

Let's reverse this list idea to emphasize the point.... if the rumour was that clients had compiled a list of SP'S real names and addresses and we're going to make it public we would quickly see the potential harm and danger this would cause.....

 

I will repeat what I said earlier any public outing of Clients or Sex Workers is an extremely bad idea it hurts the individuals involved as well as their families and loved ones. Any discussion of this idea....starting rumours.... or joking about it will hurt SP'S and make their lives harder.

 

Just my opinion.

[roamingguy 300292]

The idea of such a list only feeds into the negative stereotypes that "mainstream" society has of this lifestyle. This is a lifestyle where gentlemen get to have encounters with professional companions. Part of being professional is being discrete. Even if the ladies had such a list, the ladies, well the ladies I know, are too professional to out their clients. The relationships made between client and SP are built on a foundation of mutual trust, respect integrity, and discretion.

Kinda humorous talking about such a list, but no, I don't see any such list existing. Although as I earlier said, don't we all wish at a minor teeny weeny level, if there was such a list it had Harper's, MacKay's and Joy Smith's name on it.

But back to reality :-)

One more thing thrown in for thought. How many here would think it's appropriate to publically "out" a lady (if you knew her real name)if your encounter wasn't one hundred percent in your opinion. No gentleman would. This is a discrete, anonymous mutually beneficial lifestyle all the way around. And violating that trust, save for safety, no matter the rationale, is not justifiable IMHO

A morning rambling

 

RG

[Miss S. Lane 67128]

Nevermind.

[waterat 20911]

If only John Iveson could learn to exhibit the professionalism of the wonderful and exemplary ladies of cerb and power.

 

Rumours and Diarrhea: Painful for those experiencing them and difficult to stop.

[Guest ATasteOfEve]

I agree with Ice but let's not forget who we are dealing with here...I for one don't care if government officials or even law enforcement officers choose my services. They are men first and professionals second. I'm not out to hurt anyone.

[mrrnice2 157005]

I could begin by stating that I am merely playing devil's advocate, however I cannot say that I am because if this were my choice I am not entirely sure of what I would choose to do. For me however it is entirely a moot point as I have no knowledge of anything.

 

The moral high ground is virtually always an admirable position to be in. My first ever thought about the disclosure of names of MP'ss who are clients was sparked by the words of Terri Jean Bedford with the final words of her blog that was her response to the release if Bill C-36. Initially and MAYBE even now to disclose would, I felt, be putting sex workers and good clients at the same scuzzy level as our MPs have chosen to sink to. I know it's easy for me to say from the outside.

 

I have read every post in this thread and cannot dispute too much. I really hope that as Gia said, there may not be a single MP as a client of a sex worker at all.

 

However if her surmise is incorrect then by default, there IS a list. It may be a list of one name only and in only one sex workers mind. Or it may be two separate lists in two peoples minds. Or multiple lists in many. Which is the case in reality I have no idea and nor do most of us.

 

Another list that I have become aware of through the media is a, "Bad date list," that is circulated between sex workers on the streets of Vancouver. These sex workers are sharing names of clients for their own personal protection. Is that not valid? On Cerb itself I have seen many a reference to the SP only area where this sort of information is shared about clients. I have read SP accounts here in public forums of times that they have reported a client to the police. I believe that the common denominator to these lists is the fact that the clients so named were named because of their intent to do harm, physical or otherwise.

 

Let us now look at Bill C-36 and the members who support it and the ultimate result of it, things that we know well ahead of time.

 

1. All sex worker organizations have gone on record as saying that this legislation will cause physical harm to sex workers and have even said that this bill "Will kill women."

 

2. This bill will criminalize all clients. That will hurt the people who ARE at least I hope in some cases for SPs respectful ordinary men.

 

This post and these thoughts are not personal. I believe if I wanted to continue with sex workers I probably can do so relatively safely. I believe that many of the SPs on Cerb believe the same. But we are the few of many. The street sex worker who is there by circumstance who will be forced to take chances is also one of us. So is the client who is new or unwary.

 

So ultimately the question is. Is it best to maintain discretion and privacy knowing full well that a client that you know has full intention of causing harm and injury to your fellow sex workers and all clients.

 

There are many smarter women in this industry that are involved with the various sex workers organizations and I am certain that they have already considered this issue before it was even in my thoughts. Emily Symons of POWER spoke to it in the National Post here. I do notice the qualifying words that she used.

 

In order to practically release anything is a far more difficult thing than any of us realize. It is certainly illegal to blackmail so giving an MP the choice of, "Do this or.....", is not a valid choice. Anonymous revelations to CBC OR CTV would require proofs and corroborating sources. Police reporting is useless because at the moment nothing is illegal. On top of that, is that this a vindictive and dangerous group of MP's

 

The little guy in my head says that IF those MPs actually exist then the release of one name a day over a period of time is something that could cause the government to fall and that would be the end if Bill C-36. I argued before for following process and procedure and I see clearly where it will take us.

 

If you wish to put this on a personal level then, if you are an SP and you know that your best friend will be given a criminal record, assaulted or killed would you still stay silent right now? For me personally I do worry about women that I do not know, and as well it would truly piss me off if an MP who is doing this to all of us is given a free pass so that I can be criminalized.

 

The moral high ground is ALWAYS a good choice. To set it aside for a moral dilemma is the Catch22 question that I am sure is present.

[Ice4fun 78407]

I could begin by stating that I am merely playing devil's advocate, however I cannot say that I am because if this were my choice I am not entirely sure of what I would choose to do. For me however it is entirely a moot point as I have no knowledge of anything.

 

The moral high ground is virtually always an admirable position to be in. My first ever thought about the disclosure of names of MP'ss who are clients was sparked by the words of Terri Jean Bedford with the final words of her blog that was her response to the release if Bill C-36. Initially and MAYBE even now to disclose would, I felt, be putting sex workers and good clients at the same scuzzy level as our MPs have chosen to sink to. I know it's easy for me to say from the outside.

 

I have read every post in this thread and cannot dispute too much. I really hope that as Gia said, there may not be a single MP as a client of a sex worker at all.

 

However if her surmise is incorrect then by default, there IS a list. It may be a list of one name only and in only one sex workers mind. Or it may be two separate lists in two peoples minds. Or multiple lists in many. Which is the case in reality I have no idea and nor do most of us.

 

Another list that I have become aware of through the media is a, "Bad date list," that is circulated between sex workers on the streets of Vancouver. These sex workers are sharing names of clients for their own personal protection. Is that not valid? On Cerb itself I have seen many a reference to the SP only area where this sort of information is shared about clients. I have read SP accounts here in public forums of times that they have reported a client to the police. I believe that the common denominator to these lists is the fact that the clients so named were named because of their intent to do harm, physical or otherwise.

 

Let us now look at Bill C-36 and the members who support it and the ultimate result of it, things that we know well ahead of time.

 

1. All sex worker organizations have gone on record as saying that this legislation will cause physical harm to sex workers and have even said that this bill "Will kill women."

 

2. This bill will criminalize all clients. That will hurt the people who ARE at least I hope in some cases for SPs respectful ordinary men.

 

This post and these thoughts are not personal. I believe if I wanted to continue with sex workers I probably can do so relatively safely. I believe that many of the SPs on Cerb believe the same. But we are the few of many. The street sex worker who is there by circumstance who will be forced to take chances is also one of us. So is the client who is new or unwary.

 

So ultimately the question is. Is it best to maintain discretion and privacy knowing full well that a client that you know has full intention of causing harm and injury to your fellow sex workers and all clients.

 

There are many smarter women in this industry that are involved with the various sex workers organizations and I am certain that they have already considered this issue before it was even in my thoughts. Emily Symons of POWER spoke to it in the National Post here. I do notice the qualifying words that she used.

 

In order to practically release anything is a far more difficult thing than any of us realize. It is certainly illegal to blackmail so giving an MP the choice of, "Do this or.....", is not a valid choice. Anonymous revelations to CBC OR CTV would require proofs and corroborating sources. Police reporting is useless because at the moment nothing is illegal. On top of that, is that this a vindictive and dangerous group of MP's

 

The little guy in my head says that IF those MPs actually exist then the release of one name a day over a period of time is something that could cause the government to fall and that would be the end if Bill C-36. I argued before for following process and procedure and I see clearly where it will take us.

 

If you wish to put this on a personal level then, if you are an SP and you know that your best friend will be given a criminal record, assaulted or killed would you still stay silent right now? For me personally I do worry about women that I do not know, and as well it would truly piss me off if an MP who is doing this to all of us is given a free pass so that I can be criminalized.

 

The moral high ground is ALWAYS a good choice. To set it aside for a moral dilemma is the Catch22 question that I am sure is present.

 

The bad date list that is shared discreetly between sex workers as a safety measure surly does not equate to the public release of a clients / SP'S personal information.

 

Great cultural struggles are in fact won by taking the high ground.... by demonstrating that you in fact do have the principled position.

 

The outing of politicians would only serve to harden the right wing.

 

Just my opinion.

[Katherine of Halifax 113932]

But just what if.... We are dealing with people that have demonstrated over time they are going to pad their expenses . Lets just be brief with Pamela and senator Duffy.

 

So this moves to the senate , yes we hope they will see common sense . But Huh Hum they have robed us of many million dollars .

 

Gee I am not from Ottawa and do not have the same influence, however I can only imagine that there have to be some MP's that like to visit us ladies from time to time.

 

I do not believe and never will that there are special people that make and enforce laws that are except from them . There are no free passes in life and really if you are a MP, Physiologist or any form of help to every day people. Should we not be an example of what we preach?

 

I am going to simply boil this down to a level even the" most important " MP may understand.

 

Perhaps you are 30 or 40 now , you are so in favour of passing this law.

This I hope does not happen to you in " helping women be safe " Lets look ahead ...

 

The law you were so supportive of has now been law for 25 years lets say.

 

Oh so sadly for you and your family your daughter or granddaughter has been brutally raped and murdered . Why ? She had to stand on the street , could not screen her clients etc.

 

Bottom line she is dead , how do you feel now ? Mr. MP you could have preventented this.

 

Katherine of Halifax

[piano8950 32577]

So ultimately the question is. Is it best to maintain discretion and privacy knowing full well that a client that you know has full intention of causing harm and injury to your fellow sex workers and all clients.

 

I know where you're coming from, because I was thinking the same thing. Then I read this

 

we are also not interested in shaming people for seeing us.

 

 

It just clicked in my head. The restraint for short terms gains are disregarded in favour of a long term goal. One major leak like an MP list would throw the industry in such a disarray, it would risk causing similar harm as C36, as any future clients would be extremely cautious about sharing their own information during a vetting process.

[kmwq 5477]

I agree with the thought that the ladies should keep the information to themselves and that publishing such a list is going to reflect negatively to the industry. At what point do we condone action that may not be consider completely professional? If the government was putting a bill forward to eliminate your ability to do your job or run your business in a safe manner would you sit back and ONLY take the high road? What would you do to protect your livelihood? What would big unions do? Who are we, hobbiest, trying to protect here by saying that it's unprofessional to put this list together, the MPs, SPs or ourselves?

 

If the Bill goes through, it will affect my hobbying but I will still be able to put food on the table, a roof over my head and maintain my way of life with little to no discomfort. What is the impact for the SP?