Cops seek help from Johns

[rep_pot 661]

This article was in the Ottawa Sun today and it asks if johns would be helpful in reporting dates they felt were underage or that the girl was being forced, had bruising etc. I don't know what the question is. If I saw that, it would get reported, trouble or no trouble. Who would not report this.

Yes, we can be a tool to slow down trafficking, abuse, underage etc.

What are your views. I can't imagine anyone not wanting to report that or being afraid of trouble. You could save a life here.

[roamingguy 300292]

Can you attach the link to the story

Maybe post the Sun story in the News forum

 

Thanks

RG

[rep_pot 661]

http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/08/01/cops-urge-johns-to-speak-up

[76Traveller 654]

Heh, it shows the difference between LE and the Cons (represented here by their mouthpiece Sun media). LE wants to address the real problem of trafficking and asks johns for help with that, but the Ottawa Sun makes it clear that all johns are scum of the earth and would never do anything like that, "justifying" bill C-36. Do I ever hate that newspaper chain.

[rep_pot 661]

Well...If we see anything like that going on, regardless of the Sun, we need to step forward and end it. I, for one, believe that all the girls and guys here want to be in a place and have company with a person not forced or scarred into doing this. I'm simply asking if the question needs to be ask. From the people I have met on here and the others I have read, I can't think of one person who wouldn't step up to help someone in that situation. Someday it could be a daughter,neice etc. And if a person is scarring and hurting people into this, have a nice time in the crowbar hotel ass.

[Guest Cr**gCa***ng]

As a responsible person it is my duty to report incidents of child abuse, human trafficking, illegal pimping and forced prostitution and I have no hesitation in taking initial action as need be and by reporting it immediately. If you want to remain anon about it fine, but just do it.

 

http://www.tipsoft.com/index.aspx?P=TipSubmitMobile

[Ice4fun 78407]

In theory the idea of Clients reporting on potential trafficking sounds like a good idea... the survey results are probably accurate and most clients would want to do the right thing... the problem is that those clients are also probably the least likely to be booking with potentially trafficked or abused SP'S. I have seen SP'S for almost 30 years in a number if Canadian Cities... i don't see street workers and tend to book with established ladies with websites and recommendations so in all that time I have never met with an SP who I was worried about their physical safety. So yep its easy for me to say I would report however chances care I will never have anything to report.

 

Now all that said I think it would be wise for LE to make it as easy and risk free for clients to report as even one reporting would be valuable.

 

Just my opinion.

[rep_pot 661]

Great opinion. Thanks

[Juice 2105]

Good opinion Ice4fun, although some trafficked girls do make into the mainstream on BP, etc. At least that was the case in Halifax and Toronto.

 

The police approach is common sense and strategic: they can't be everywhere at once, so ask other people for help! They are correctly assuming that most johns would not want to force anyone or exploit a child!

 

Another example of the STUPIDITY of the Harper-Mackay-Smith-Pickton Bill C-36 that would only make girls less safe. Who would report anything suspicious if it puts you in line for the slammer?? In fact that is what happened in Sweden, johns are afraid to report suspicious activity.

[roamingguy 300292]

Nice idea but not likely to yield a lot of results. The "johns" are, and just a guess, seeing ladies working the streets, not seeing the well established SP/Courtesans. For them to come forward would mean risking a criminal charge. Once bill C36 passes, any man would be out of their mind to come forward, to do so could result in being criminally charged.

I think the police are truly concerned and wouldn't charge someone, but the climate now especially makes it very unlikely someone would come forward.

RG

[Meg O'Ryan 266444]

May I also offer up the fact the the average Joe really has no idea of what to use as a bench mark to determine whether or not a lady is being taken advantage of. One part of the post kinda grabbed me....the part about bruising. I would be a prime candidate for an investigation if that were the case! I could just imagine how many social workers would be on my doorstep at any given time based on my clumsiness. Sure,in the case of obvious underage workers or scared and nervous workers ok but I can see how a captain save a ho could go overboard and cause a lot of problems for us independent and perfectly content escorts.

[Guest S****r]

I think it is absolutely ludicrous for them to think that many will go forward to report their suspicions now, with the climate set to make it illegal to even book an escort. Do they even see that this is one more negative result of the the proposed bill?!!

[FunValerie 8573]

No one will report anything when it puts their owe legal safety at risk.

 

I think it is absolutely ludicrous for them to think that many will go forward to report their suspicions now, with the climate set to make it illegal to even book an escort. Do they even see that this is one more negative result of the the proposed bill?!!

[Guest Cr**gCa***ng]

No one will report anything when it puts their owe legal safety at risk.

 

Which why I posted this link.

http://www.tipsoft.com/index.aspx?P=TipSubmitMobile

 

Also, please bear in mind this legislation has not yet passed. Personally, I would take my chances and report something where I thought a child was being coerced or anyone else was being forced into prostitution. I do acknowledge the points made that I/we would not be seeking someone out who is in such a situation as I/we tend to gravitate towards reputable, established ladies and that we would avoid the situation(s) being discussed. I very much doubt I will ever come across such a situation, however if I did I would report it in the hope that the authorities would act quickly to save the victim(s). Even if I were to be charged which is something I very much doubt would happen they (police and Crown Prosecutor) need to prove intent or "mens rea" on my part.

[roamingguy 300292]

I wonder if the Conservatives (Peter MacKay, Joy Smith, Stephen Harper etc) realize that their legislation C 36, as shown in this case, will enable human trafficking something they claim to want stopped.

There's enough uncertainty now, but once C36 passes, does a police department really think men painted as johns and pervs by the Attorney General For Canada would ever come forward and offer assistance to them

And the real tragedy, there are girls out there who are victimized and continue to be victimized. The true criminals in prostitution are not fearing C36, it's the law abiding citizens who fear it

A rambling over coffee number one

 

RG

[Meaghan McLeod 179664]

Guys won't even report to police when they have been robbed. This is a criminal offense yet they still won't report. So i doubt that they will report especially when the new bill passes.

 

I do hope however if someone knows someone is underage or being forced they report it. As has been stated this can be done anonymously.

[rep_pot 661]

I will report it C36 or not. I can't believe we would walk away from someone being pushed into this field and not report it. I don't care what McKay thinks of us, we need to look out for each other. As far as the bruising goes, I would report if the girl showed other signs, not just bruising. And underage, absolutely. It's a duty to do that.

[roamingguy 300292]

I will report it C36 or not. I can't believe we would walk away from someone being pushed into this field and not report it. I don't care what McKay thinks of us, we need to look out for each other. As far as the bruising goes, I would report if the girl showed other signs, not just bruising. And underage, absolutely. It's a duty to do that.

 

I'm not disagreeing with you, and if I saw someone underage I would report it to the police. But like others, I see reputable providers, those with a CERB board presence, website etc. So I'm not likely to run into someone underage

But ispeaking in general terms, when clients become labelled as johns and pervs by the Attorney General For Canada, the attitude generally speaking, of those clients would not be to assist law enforcement. They won't see LE and the Crown as friends, they will view them not just as agencies to avoid, but the enemy. If police are expecting clients to come forward, to assist them, they need a lot of work to establish trust...I just don't see it there

A rambling

 

RG

[Ice4fun 78407]

Certainly C36 will make it more difficult for clients but I for one would report anyone underage or in distress... most LE have tip lines. as Roaming Guy gas said we are not likely to see these situations because of the way we participate in this hobby.

[jk42 270]

I think it's safe to assume that LE isn't trying to stop prostitution as much as it may be trying to manage it. I'm sure they would rather have a relationship with SPs and johns for general safety. They'll never have it while the conservatives work against law enforcement.

[Gringo_Love 573]

Many great points made above about age, bruising, and the difference between the street and cerbites. We should also keep in mind those individuals from many parts of the world that are new to Canada and are experiencing a cultural and or language barrier. The leverage that some criminals have over some of these ladies (some of legal age and some not) is sickening and very difficult to determine in a visit or two (eg threats of violence against family members back home; similar tactics are used by NA gangs). There are so many concerns here that I think as a hobbyist that one ought have a very clear understanding of who they are seeing (eg established massage parlour or SP vs an unsubstantiated ad that seems a little shady). Hopefully there are no hobbyists that would want to see anyone involved in human trafficking. In the event that someone inadvertently encounters someone they believe or know to be involved in human trafficking, there is only one course of action they are morally compelled to follow.

[rep_pot 661]

Well said. The hobbyist are the front line of defense in this.

[FunValerie 8573]

If we want people to report, everything about their participation has to be legal.

[Meaghan McLeod 179664]

If we want people to report, everything about their participation has to be legal.

 

Sorry but that's not really true. With crimesstoppers, online tipsters and the like, you don't even have to give your name.

 

Even 911 asks for your name, however you don't have to give it. Payphones still work.

 

It is our duty to report. Irregardless.

[Guest D***el B***e]

Sorry but that's not really true. With crimesstoppers, online tipsters and the like, you don't even have to give your name.

 

Even 911 asks for your name, however you don't have to give it. Payphones still work.

 

It is our duty to report. Irregardless.

 

 

I'm with you on this one Meaghan ....