Bill C-36 (winnipeg's opinion)

[squirtingmilf 1982]

I think everyone just really needs to calm down seriously lol .. It's really not as bad as what the media etc. are making it out to be. As an activist for this industry sp's and pooner's alike, the abolishment agencies have their own agenda and it takes WAY too much manpower and tax dollars to go around busting indie sp's.

 

You come to a city like Vancouver where there are literally thousands of sp's and it'd take them forever to bust every single indie in this city, although Vancouver has already made it quite clear they have no desire to partake in enforcing the laws in the new bill.

 

As for an sp outing her clients, come on guys seriously? No sp in her right mind is going to damage her business reputation, for those of us that have been around for YEARS (decades in my case), the police better dig a grave for me before they ask me to out my clients. I come from a very different era of being an sp and outing clients was one of most taboo subjects my first indoor boss ever taught me. I'm stubborn that way, heck it took me years to even offer girlyfriend exp because that was so taboo when I was taught.

 

For the gentlemen who was commenting about posts on the baby cow, the sp in question used face pics in her ads while touring (which is a big no-no) and the Alberta hotel industry has a big beef with sp's for the past two years, this is WHY she got busted. I'm also sure there's probably a bit more to that story and technically she wasn't busted, she was asked to vacate the hotel, she wasn't taken down the station, fined or anything that I recall. That's not being busted, that's being removed from a hotel that didn't want her present there any longer. A client could've outed her, a disgruntled sp, a guest in a room next to hers, who knows, but there's more to it than what was said.

 

I have an online business, have had it for years, one of my best friends of over 20 years, is the GM of a major hotel chain in Alberta. She's totally cool with sp's working in the hotel, as long as they pay their bills and don't cause drama.

 

Every year they host conferences (few times a year), share information and tactics to prevent being ripped off. Two years ago a guy was sent from Montreal with a bunch of ladies to Alberta and instead of legitimately paying for the rooms the ladies and he were using, he decided to be a clown about it and use a credit card scrambler machine, raking up over $600K in bills in various hotels along the gateway blvd strip - my girlfriends hotel was one of them. The hotel owners have a right to be mad, they have a right just like we do to protect our business interests.

 

So this is what the put into policy and I did send someone over to the baby cow to let them know and the majority of people didn't take it seriously, that's their problem.

 

If you dress in a manner that the hotel staff deem to be inappropriate you get put on a watch list in the managers office.

 

If you are acting derogatory or demeaning to any of the staff and they have you on that watch list, guess what? They're calling the police.

 

They'll look you up on backpage and whatever other sites, see if they can spot you using face pics, boom you're outta there.

 

I'm not saying it's right, but at the same time if I was ripped off a few hundred K, I'd be a little choked too.

 

When I tour and am in hotels, I'm probably one of the most grubbed out looking customers in the hotel, whenever the staff see me. My hair is up in a bun, no makeup on and I'm wearing sweats and sneaker's, I'm always very polite to all of the staff and reveal bits and pieces of my other work, so they never suspect anything. I'm always super quiet, tip well to housekeeping and ensure there's nothing in my room that will give me away as being an sp. I don't run around half naked, giving attitude, partying it up in my hotel room and bring myself unwanted attention EVER.

 

I went to one of the hotel owner and managers conventions with my girlfriend earlier this year and another sp, all of that information about their new policies came right from the horses mouth. If that incident wouldn't have happened, things would probably be lax just like it used to be, but when you start ripping people off, they're going to take action and you can't blame them.

 

Alberta does have stings every year that they partake in, usually twice a year .. October is definitely one of the months they do it, every year like clockwork. They meet their quota and boom it's over with.

 

Additional Comments:

I just wanted to add a few more things, as an activist, I've had more than my fair share of dealing with abolishment agencies and I know first hand what their objectives are. Minorities are number one on their target lists for being "rescued" and anyone suspect of being a minor (insert sarcastic tone -because you know all younger ladies are pimped), people that they think have a high possibility of being "rescued". So older ladies and those that are well established, I highly doubt will have any problems with police.

 

The police will go do their door knocks on some Asian massage parlours and micro's to shut up the abolishment agencies, so they've got some people to rescue and it keeps everyone "happy".

 

For the record, I've worked in this industry for almost 3 decades, just a few years shy of that, I started when I was VERY young ( a minor in fact) and I've had ZERO dealings with police personally, about me, pertaining to my work. And any time they've shown up at my door, they've point blank said, we know you're working and we don't care. My bad for having a crazy ex boyfriend and working with an sp that had serious personal issues.

 

They know I'm a lifer and not going to give them squat for information, so they don't bother.

 

Don't panic guys, just mind your P's and Q's, stick with long term established ladies and do your research, you'll be fine.

[ezish12 579]

http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=649493

 

After reading this post, I have an idea. I should start a part time job at a pizza place. Then ask her to order pizza and then I go there with a pizza. She gets a pizza and we have fun. No one can prove shit :)

[livenudecats 4072]

I'm going to go as a milk man.

 

 

:)

[Wheatking12 110]

So as a newbie, without an established history of dating in this scene, what is a fella to do, shut it down and continue with mindless palamino dates???

[Guest *i*********y]

So as a newbie, without an established history of dating in this scene, what is a fella to do, shut it down and continue with mindless palamino dates???

 

I sent my reply to this post as a PM, figuring a lot of what I had to say would be automatically censored, but what the heck, let's give it a try and see what gets censored...... hope I am not breaking any rules by doing this.

 

This is basically what I put in my PM

 

You don't have to run away from pooning. See only ladies who have been recommended in the past and who have been around and established for a while, or someone who has been referred to you by a pooner who has been around for a while. Don't go to parlors of ANY type and never see anyone new, BP, EC wherever, stay away from new, unknown ladies. I would also avoid agencies, even well known touring one's as they are likely to be targeted by LE.

 

Actually, the censor wasn't too bad, it only changed one word!

[fortunateone 156618]

For someone new, your city's response to C36 is going to make a difference.

 

finding out what your city council or local LE is planning, or not planning, is kind of important at this stage.

[mrgreen760 37785]

The game is going to change and change quickly here. The sheer number (s) of those who have no clue what's coming speaks volumes. This and the other erb board have had lengthy discussions about the ramifications that may or may not happen. Regardless of whether one's opinion is the sky is falling or it's not the fact remains these boards represent a fraction and a small fraction at that of the overall players in the game. So the next few weeks are going to be very interesting here in the Peg....very interesting indeed.

 

Peace

MG

[Guest *i*********y]

Still hasn't been read in to law as far as I know.

Correction, apparently it comes into law today, Saturday Dec 6th.

[ezish12 579]

anyone out there have a LE friend or some info from the govt level who can fill us with some information, regarding how serious Winnipeg LE going to be enforcing the law. It seems Vancouver is going to ignore this new law.

[Guest *i*********y]

Just heard today that Ontario Premiere is considering asking the Attorney General to give her an opinion on the whether or not the law would stand up to a constitutional challenge. She doesn't like Harper and that could work in our favor!

 

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/12/07/kathleen_wynne_asks_ago_to_review_canadas_new_prostitution_law.html

[bubba101 417]

Well like any law it will work till someone gets tagged challenges it .My guess is the lower courts will side with the law and will have to end up in the supreme court.

the accused better be pretty wealthy to be able to foot that bill.

Possibly a class action would work but Im no lawyer so I cant say for sure.

[fortunateone 156618]

Well like any law it will work till someone gets tagged challenges it .My guess is the lower courts will side with the law and will have to end up in the supreme court.

the accused better be pretty wealthy to be able to foot that bill.

Possibly a class action would work but Im no lawyer so I cant say for sure.

 

The experience with sex work laws is that the lower courts do not side with the law. That is how the challenge got to the SCC, it was the govt who wouldn't accept the lower court ruling. Had they kept quiet after the first one, the SCC would never have been able to overturn those 3 items in a way that affected the entire country.

 

The point of the Ontario govt doing something is that they don't actually need any client to represent.

[armashine 110]

I'm very new to this. I've seen 2 ██'S in one year. This might be a stupid question but if you meet an ██ for the first time & no cash has been exchanged yet, can you ask "Are you a cop" & then have a discreet grope /touch before any cash is exchanged ?

[Meaghan McLeod 179664]

I'm very new to this. I've seen 2 ██'S in one year. This might be a stupid question but if you meet an ██ for the first time & no cash has been exchanged yet, can you ask "Are you a cop" & then have a discreet grope /touch before any cash is exchanged ?

 

Don't do that. It'll only get you into deeper problems if she is Le. Cops lie all the time and groping her could lead to a sexual assault charge.

 

The best way is to realize that you can no longer purchase specific services. However, there is nothing illegal about hiring an escort for specified time periods (hour, half hour etc). This is what you do instead of the old way of wanting X, y, and z for #$.

 

As long as you are not asking for specifics, are not booking in a playground and she is not underage you will be fine.

 

Go with the ladies who have recommendations.

[livenudecats 4072]

Don't do that. It'll only get you into deeper problems if she is Le. Cops lie all the time

 

You are right.

I've told this exact thing to a few ...... in the past. The old touch my .... or let me fondle your breast because a cop wouldn't or can't do this, is so much BS. That is up there with the myth that if you ask if they are a cop they have to say yes.

Cops are allowed to lie as part of their job. How do you think undercover work gets done. And when they do lie in court who is the judge going to believe?

[1234man 800]

Will this bill affect the massage places in wpg? Eb and such?

[fortunateone 156618]

Each city is going to be different in terms of what they plan to enforce or not enforce. Some cities have talked directly to owners and said that they will not be approached, other cities seem to interview LE who appear to be antsy to get in there and cause trouble.

 

I think tho that the majority of LE are saying the same thing: anything other than street work where LE does their own solicitation stings with undercover officer, the rest of the laws are nearly impossible to enforce, so they don't plan to do anything above checking out the trafficking reports or underage escorts.

[Regent 35404]

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Just a reminder that the Winnipeg Working Group is holding an information session on the new laws Wednesday evening.

[fresh 8278]

I won't be able to make it

[sadeegsad 120]

Can someone please explain this new law for me, and when is it in effect. Sorry kind of a newbie.

 

PM me if needed

[mrgreen760 37785]

Can someone please explain this new law for me, and when is it in effect. Sorry kind of a newbie.

 

PM me if needed

 

C-36 has been has been in effect since Dec 6 and there are plenty of threads on here about it. Do a little spade work and you'll get educated.

 

Peace

MG

[fortunateone 156618]

Can someone please explain this new law for me, and when is it in effect. Sorry kind of a newbie.

 

PM me if needed

 

it is the reason why I have the link to a long thread in my signature. So you don't have to ask, you simply have to click and start reading.

[manitoba 2758]

Does anyone know if there have been any charges under this law in Winnipeg or anywhere else?

 

My guess that any charges to date would be for street work where LE had targeted efforts before and not on the more upscale end of the business, but that is just a gut feeling on my part. ( OF course being Winterpeg I doubt is much street work is going on right now anyway.)