Anticipated changes due to Bill C-36

[kerrixoxo 33719]

Right now the police do not charge massage spas, gentlemans clubs or non fs fetish providers under the existing protitution laws unless found that the ladies are giving bj's or sexual intercourse (oral or anal) for money exchange .... so we are using that as the guideline (as that is how the police currently uphold the current laws and interperate the definition of a prostitute or prostitution).

 

I think (hope) the police will focus on the problem areas (street prostitution, street johns and pimps, etc) before focusing on the ladies here who do this bepcause they want to ... not because they have to or are being exploited.

 

They (the police) know where the bad stuff exists, they have dealt with the ladies and sites like us for years now. By know they know cerb is here to help the ladies and place a positive spin on the industry. Were not bad people trying to exploit anyone here and i am sure the police know this, with all this new power i would hope they go after the bad apples.

 

I dont want the site to close so whatever we have to do to make sure cerb is legal we will do as we dont want to give anyone a chance to accuse us of anything.

 

That is good to know about your good working relationship with the police (for obvious reasons). I mean this in a good way.

 

This just highlights the problems with the Bill: if this is the threshold to determine who is a prostitute (someone who touches another person for sexual gratification), then it will almost be difficult to police. Just my thoughts.

 

Thank you for your assistance in ensuring this site is a positive place for providers and clients alike.

[Guest]

I will also be taking down any boobie pictures, or any risque pictures and I will move to full clothed pictures, or bathing suite shots. It will be sad to see some of my old albums go down but now is the time to paint a more conservative picture. Better to be safe than sorry. In the next little while, it's going to be some work to restyle the old image.

[Midnite-Energies 110563]

I was reading that once a bill receives Royal Assent, there is a 30 day grave period in which to adjust and adapt before it is full force.

 

There is still time for people to find their balls and their conscience and not vote for this. The Governor General can withhold assent. It has never been done but there is still a chance. If a few cons get sick/busy and all the Liberals and NDP show up...

 

I'm just saying there is still hope, still chances to sway this, still things we can do. It is not a done deal yet no matter how discouraging it seems. Directing energy to it in the form of "it's already a done deal, nothing can be done, when will it be in effect" only serves to promote it.

 

Have a plan, talk about it...that's fine. What isn't fine is giving up, embracing it before it happens and dismissing all hope.

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

I will also be taking down any boobie pictures, or any risque pictures and I will move to full clothed pictures, or bathing suite shots. It will be sad to see some of my old albums go down but now is the time to paint a more conservative picture. Better to be safe than sorry. In the next little while, it's going to be some work to restyle the old image.

 

I do not see why or how we cannot keep our photos as they are. Erotic photography is not illegal. We have all over the county in art galleries erotic photography, we can rent porn on our TV threw Rogers, corner stores have porn mags, etc.

If we can not be models and artists in Canada, I will have to move to Europe! lol..

But of course, do what is comfortable for you. But I for one would miss your artistic and erotic photography:)

[Guest]

I do not see why or how we cannot keep our photos as they are. Erotic photography is not illegal. We have all over the county in art galleries erotic photography, we can rent porn on our TV threw Rogers, corner stores have porn mags, etc.

If we can not be models and artist in Canada, I will have to move to Europe! lol..

But of course, do what is comfortable for you. But I for one would miss your artistic and erotic photography:)

 

This is something I am doing for myself for my companion image. Since I am selling my time for money, I do not feel like the erotic images fit that, that's my opinion. There's many ways to be sexy and fully clothed. I'm going with the conservative companion time for money image now and would like to paint that picture with my advertising, pictures, ect. If anything changes I will of course enjoy the opportunity to be more liberal but for now I'm looking at restyling my image.

 

I'm not saying that all have to do this. This is just a choice I'm going to be making.

[Ice4fun 78407]

I was reading that once a bill receives Royal Assent, there is a 30 day grave period in which to adjust and adapt before it is full force.

 

There is still time for people to find their balls and their conscience and not vote for this. The Governor General can withhold assent. It has never been done but there is still a chance. If a few cons get sick/busy and all the Liberals and NDP show up...

 

I'm just saying there is still hope, still chances to sway this, still things we can do. It is not a done deal yet no matter how discouraging it seems. Directing energy to it in the form of "it's already a done deal, nothing can be done, when will it be in effect" only serves to promote it.

 

Have a plan, talk about it...that's fine. What isn't fine is giving up, embracing it before it happens and dismissing all hope.

 

While i understand and agree why you hope for that... the reality is... this will be the law... the GG does not with hold ascent... the battle now moves back to the courts and we find ways to live under a new reality.

 

Just my Opinion

[mod 135640]

I agree, noting anyone does is going to stop it at this point. It's time to make preparations and I think the best thing to do is all come together and challenge the law in court like they did the first time as this new law is just as unconstitutional as the previous.

[FunValerie 8573]

I agree, noting anyone does is going to stop it at this point. It's time to make preparations and I think the best thing to do is all come together and challenge the law in court like they did the first time as this new law is just as unconstitutional as the previous.

 

The new law which has not come into effect yet is already causing potential clients to refuse to verify. This is the exact problem that the old law caused.

[Guest S****r]

Mod,

Was wondering if cerb could consider adding a verify service. Could even be another source of revenue for the site. To verify both escorts and clients.

[FunValerie 8573]

Mod,

Was wondering if cerb could consider adding a verify service. Could even be another source of revenue for the site. To verify both escorts and clients.

 

This is a fantastic idea. It would help everyone.

[Guest **cely***r***ne]

That would be fabulous!

 

Mod,

Was wondering if cerb could consider adding a verify service. Could even be another source of revenue for the site. To verify both escorts and clients.

 

 

I have started making changes on my website yesterday. I have never advertised services to any great extent,(with acronyms) so I do not think clients will be confused when I stop writing erotic adds.

 

 

I will be getting a voice contact number, If you have my number saved now, this will replace the one you already have. I might not be texting, but since I do not appreciate being asked for my 'menu' or if I provide services, I do not see how it would be a problem if my regular friends would rather text.

[kerrixoxo 33719]

Mod,

Was wondering if cerb could consider adding a verify service. Could even be another source of revenue for the site. To verify both escorts and clients.

 

This! Is fantastic!

[Phaedrus 209521]

Anyone offering services on websites off cerb that advertises fs activities will not be permitted to post here either. Any known fs prostitute will not be permitted to advertise on cerb so anyone thinking they will just send guys to their website for fs details sorry but those ladies will not be permitted to use cerb either.

 

becoming non fs escorts will allow the guys to continue to see you legally (you cant have sex with them for money but at least you can spend some nice time withe them .... talking and playing board games... I here rummy is fun)

 

So what you're saying is that you need plausible deniability if need be.

 

Is that right?

[Ice4fun 78407]

So what you're saying is that you need plausible deniability if need be.

 

Is that right?

 

If he agrees he will not have "plausible deniability" lololl

[Lexy Grace 103697]

Right now the police do not charge massage spas, gentlemans clubs or non fs fetish providers under the existing protitution laws unless found that the ladies are giving bj's or sexual intercourse (oral or anal) for money exchange .... so we are using that as the guideline (as that is how the police currently uphold the current laws and interperate the definition of a prostitute or prostitution).

 

I think (hope) the police will focus on the problem areas (street prostitution, street johns and pimps, etc) before focusing on the ladies here who do this bepcause they want to ... not because they have to or are being exploited.

 

They (the police) know where the bad stuff exists, they have dealt with the ladies and sites like us for years now. By know they know cerb is here to help the ladies and place a positive spin on the industry. Were not bad people trying to exploit anyone here and i am sure the police know this, with all this new power i would hope they go after the bad apples.

 

I dont want the site to close so whatever we have to do to make sure cerb is legal we will do as we dont want to give anyone a chance to accuse us of anything.

 

My question Mod,

 

Should FS companions remove links to our Cerb recommendations and/or other reviews on our websites so that it does not show that each FS companion was a previous FS companion and we are now just a "time and companionship" escort to ensure cerb is legal and for LE not to have any reason to accuse cerb of anything illegal?

 

Thanks in advance,

Lexy

[Phaedrus 209521]

Should FS companions remove links to our Cerb recommendations and/or other reviews on our websites so that it does not show that each FS companion was a previous FS companion and we are now just a "time and companionship" escort to ensure cerb is legal and for LE not to have any reason to accuse cerb of anything illegal?

 

I don't see why. I'm not aware that there's anything in C36 that's retrospective, so it can't be used to prosecute anything that happened before it became law. That includes ads and recos dating from before then.

[Guest S****r]

I don't see why. I'm not aware that there's anything in C36 that's retrospective, so it can't be used to prosecute anything that happened before it became law. That includes ads and recos dating from before then.

 

I think she means in order to qualify to be on cerb.

[fortunateone 156618]

I don't see why. I'm not aware that there's anything in C36 that's retrospective, so it can't be used to prosecute anything that happened before it became law. That includes ads and recos dating from before then.

 

 

Sps in the US have been linking their client's 'fictionalized accounts of the time they spent together" for years, and these 'fantasy' stories are not used as evidence against clients, or sps, so I don't feel there would be any need to remove links to such things.

[Lexy Grace 103697]

Are we going to compile a list of words/acronym's we are NOT allowed to use and that can be use?

NOT Use For example: GFE, PSE, Greek/Greece, MSOG.

Use For Example: Escort, date, time & companionship.

Please add to the list of allowed to USE and NOT USE.

Thanks and all my love and support,

Lexy

[Liv Waters 52361]

You know make makes my heart ache?...That CERB is one of the few online spaces where workers and clients can speak openly and respectfully about sexuality, our desires, our bodies as they relate to our sexual exchanges...and also about activism. What will this do qualitatively to our online community here?...I think about that.

 

The fact that, in a post C-36 climate, we (workers) cannot represent ourselves in any way where we could be implicate ourselves as a 'known prostitute' (there is so much hurt and stigma embedded in that piece) and belong to and advertise on CERB, pretty much means that I cannot say "I'm a sex worker"....it's actually really huge; the politics of representation and standing firm to make a claim about one's [current] work, one's body... what that means in our community...there's a symbolic anihalation that runs very deep to the core in all of that.

 

Sure we can play semantics, change our job title and terms of service...tow the line to survive, and, of course, we will, but there's a lot of pain and psychic isolation in that...

 

There's are no quick fix comments for these pieces; I know, folks...and I know this thread it mostly being utilized for pragmatics....but there are these other pieces too...like ragged bits in the wind with no place to fall...and, yet they blow around anyway

 

Because we are here :)

[Phaedrus 209521]

You know make makes my heart ache?...That CERB is one of the few online spaces where workers and clients can speak openly and respectfully about sexuality, our desires, our bodies as they relate to our sexual exchanges...and also about activism. What will this do qualitatively to our online community here?...I think about that.

 

I'd like to think that the community will survive relatively unscathed. C36 is about advertizing and buying sexual services; neither of those things is part of most of the conversations we have here.

 

I'm not sure how that squares with what Mod said earlier in the thread about "known escorts", but I hope we'll find a way around it. Some creativity may be required.

[Liv Waters 52361]

I appreciate your sentiments Phaedrus, and I like your optimism... perhaps our vantage points about the terms of conversation (the ways our voices are inflected, directed) look different though because of our differing identities...and understandably so :)

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

Are we going to compile a list of words/acronym's we are NOT allowed to use and that can be use?

NOT Use For example: GFE, PSE, Greek/Greece, MSOG.

Use For Example: Escort, date, time & companionship.

Please add to the list of allowed to USE and NOT USE.

Thanks and all my love and support,

Lexy

 

Imo, start replacing these acronyms with phrases such as:

 

 

Greek - I will or will not travel to Greece

 

Msog- I like to travel around the world once in a half hour or twice in an hour.

 

DATY- I don't mind if you travel to the Netherland regions

 

Guys you're going to have to start reading between the lines on these ones! lol. If a provider doesn't wish to discuss it in explicit terms this may be more of a creative way for them to tell you. At least then you will have an idea and not go into an appt completely blind.

 

Technically none of the phrases I've listed above are nowhere near being sexually explicit. Anyone else have any of these phrases to add?

 

Additional Comments:

You know make makes my heart ache?...That CERB is one of the few online spaces where workers and clients can speak openly and respectfully about sexuality, our desires, our bodies as they relate to our sexual exchanges...and also about activism. What will this do qualitatively to our online community here?...I think about that.

 

The fact that, in a post C-36 climate, we (workers) cannot represent ourselves in any way where we could be implicate ourselves as a 'known prostitute' (there is so much hurt and stigma embedded in that piece) and belong to and advertise on CERB, pretty much means that I cannot say "I'm a sex worker"....it's actually really huge; the politics of representation and standing firm to make a claim about one's [current] work, one's body... what that means in our community...there's a symbolic anihalation that runs very deep to the core in all of that.

 

Sure we can play semantics, change our job title and terms of service...tow the line to survive, and, of course, we will, but there's a lot of pain and psychic isolation in that...

 

There's are no quick fix comments for these pieces; I know, folks...and I know this thread it mostly being utilized for pragmatics....but there are these other pieces too...like ragged bits in the wind with no place to fall...and, yet they blow around anyway

 

Because we are here :)

 

I know what you're saying. The most important thing tho is we cal all still be together. This is a community and lets not have them take us down. It will suck for sure ( no pun intended there!) but at least we haven't lost one thing and that is a sense of community.

[mrrnice2 157005]

I have read through this thread in reasonably great detail, and I see a lot of, "I think that they won't....," and, "I hope that they don't ....," but underlying it all is the stark reality that barring the fall of the government in the next few days this will become law of the land.

 

I understand the arguments made here for code words, and money for time, and as well, it seems as if the ladies are making arrangements to try to get around the advertising laws.

 

What has not been brought up to this point is I believe, a very practical point. Assuming that ads in one form or another are still accessible to prospective clients, and assuming that police and courts will pretend that none of the code words actually refer to sexual services (which currently go undefined), there comes a point at which a client must communicate with a lady. At THAT point he becomes open to criminal charges, without even having to meet the lady or complete any financial transaction.

 

Until a month ago I was as transparent as a client could be with an SP. My transparency has been truth that included name, phone number, email address, anything they wanted to know. However at this point I don't like those assumptions mentioned above.

 

To get to the crux of the matter, the question is, how does one initiate a contact without incriminating oneself, while still assuming that the police are not total idiots?

 

I have been mulling this whole thing over for a very long time, wondering what I would do when this becomes law. As it approaches reality I am looking at the very practical issues because I now think that I don't want to quit. I REFUSE to have the choice of celibacy dictated to me by a Canadian government of all things.

 

I spent the last couple of days writing some emails to SP's, some of whom I have met and some of whom I have yet to meet, without sending a single one. My intention is to lay some groundwork, introduce myself, whatever. The question ultimately becomes how do I communicate both now and later and still feel protected. Should I send those emails or PM's now?

 

I trust the women that I have met, utterly and completely. Is it simply the ability to continue to trust in others that I have to content myself with?

 

I realize that this is rather disjointed and rambling, but the whole topic is composed of so many interlocking individual little parts. I'm looking for help here, maybe especially from SP's, but also from any of the many who are far smarter than I.

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

I have read through this thread in reasonably great detail, and I see a lot of, "I think that they won't....," and, "I hope that they don't ....," but underlying it all is the stark reality that barring the fall of the government in the next few days this will become law of the land.

 

I understand the arguments made here for code words, and money for time, and as well, it seems as if the ladies are making arrangements to try to get around the advertising laws.

 

What has not been brought up to this point is I believe, a very practical point. Assuming that ads in one form or another are still accessible to prospective clients, and assuming that police and courts will pretend that none of the code words actually refer to sexual services (which currently go undefined), there comes a point at which a client must communicate with a lady. At THAT point he becomes open to criminal charges, without even having to meet the lady or complete any financial transaction.

 

Until a month ago I was as transparent as a client could be with an SP. My transparency has been truth that included name, phone number, email address, anything they wanted to know. However at this point I don't like those assumptions mentioned above.

 

To get to the crux of the matter, the question is, how does one initiate a contact without incriminating oneself, while still assuming that the police are not total idiots?

 

I have been mulling this whole thing over for a very long time, wondering what I would do when this becomes law. As it approaches reality I am looking at the very practical issues because I now think that I don't want to quit. I REFUSE to have the choice of celibacy dictated to me by a Canadian government of all things.

 

I spent the last couple of days writing some emails to SP's, some of whom I have met and some of whom I have yet to meet, without sending a single one. My intention is to lay some groundwork, introduce myself, whatever. The question ultimately becomes how do I communicate both now and later and still feel protected. Should I send those emails or PM's now?

 

I trust the women that I have met, utterly and completely. Is it simply the ability to continue to trust in others that I have to content myself with?

 

I realize that this is rather disjointed and rambling, but the whole topic is composed of so many interlocking individual little parts. I'm looking for help here, maybe especially from SP's, but also from any of the many who are far smarter than I.

 

 

I do understand this and in no way want you to continue outside of your comfort.

 

But I can say, and even the Chief of police in many area's has stated that they simply do not have the funds to prosecute. The only funds they have is the " easy to catch" so in other words street level, forced, and trafficked. They can not risk the little money they have on an advertiser that is clearly stating " I do not sell sexual services" . To go after a client who enquired, or an advertiser for time, is far too much expense, therefore would be a waste of funds that could have been used for exploited and underage.

The last thing that LE wants, is too go threw all of that to have a " case dismissed" from lack of supporting evidence.

 

Also, keep in mind, every in call you visited hotel or home, has always been illegal, and they did not have the funds for that either.

 

I have been investigated once ( and this was when illegal for in call! ), they looked around to see if I had drugs around, child in my home, to make sure I was in fact independent and not forced. Shook my hand and said " thank you Sophia, I am glad to see a proper business run around here" then left.

 

I was happy for this, as now I know I am not on the radar for any further investigations. At the end of the day, they knew I was not a menace to my community, or in danger of any kind. They will move on to find the underage and trafficked.

 

If you fish the ocean or a barrel of fish, and you have one chance to eat, will you choose the barrel? Yes, because that is a for sure win, not the other.

 

As for your question email or PM? Well go ahead and enquire for the time donation, but as far as fine details, I am sure you will see more SP's asking you to voice call. There is no way that they can trace voice calls during or after. Do not enquire for sexual services plain and simple. Foe a new lady on the scene, don't even ask on voice call, wait till your behind closed doors and ask away. No entrapment is allowed in Canadian laws.