Bill C-36

[boomer01 5563]

Does anyone have a clear understanding of how this legislation will effect sites such as Cerb or BP..If anyone can enlighten me that would be great.

[FunValerie 8573]

I would love to know as well.

 

Any lawyers around here?

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

As Meghan stated, we can advertise as entertainers, models, etc...

 

now, when I spoke to my yellow pages rep, I informed them to check into this with their own legal department. Which they did, as far as I can see they are not be allowing agencies to advertise ( as far as my rep stated to me). You must be an independent advertiser.

 

Many of my local friends have been approached by YPG to offer them a placement. I think, sure...that they have made their changes legally. Those who do not will be left out.

 

So I would have to say any site that is CANADA hosted, then they will have to make these changes.

 

BP is already a USA site, however they allow agency to advertise which technically IS 3rd party ( made in Canada as Peter Mckay says)

 

CERB will be also follow the same suite. If you are INDY then CERB will not be 3rd party and also CERB will have NO KNOWN SEX WORKERS .

 

You must see, there is a difference between a sex worker and an adult entertainer.

[Barney 2550]

Lady Sophia when are you coming back to Halifax your beauty is breath taking

[squirtingmilf 1982]

I don't know why everyone wants to just follow suit, move your stuff offshore. Move your web site offshore and problem solved. All CERB needs to do is change the name and move the hosting offshore. Don't cave in, fight back!

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

Lady Sophia when are you coming back to Halifax your beauty is breath taking

 

 

It may be our future :) Stay tunned....

 

Additional Comments:

I don't know why everyone wants to just follow suit, move your stuff offshore. Move your web site offshore and problem solved. All CERB needs to do is change the name and move the hosting offshore. Don't cave in, fight back!

 

 

I do agree with your stance and passion, I for one did take many weeks to hand write and mail to every MP from here to BC with my views. All 330 of them sent threw snail mail. Why snail mail??? Because I figured it worked in Mom's day as a union rep, and also for the reason it is easier for them to disregard an email where as when you snail mail it is hand delivered right to the person.

 

But, I guess that still left us with all this crap:(

[Midnite-Energies 110563]

Right now, it's not as easy as moving something offshore because those who reap the benefit cannot still be in the originating country. Therefore CERB WILL be complying with the laws and there will be NO FS advertisers permitted here. Likewise, if a lady is advertising on CERB and their website or other advertising has ANY connection with a sexual service, CERB will be removing their access. What this means is you, as a hobbyists, will have to read between the lines of advertising and websites. You will be receiving time and companionship only. No one is permitted to speak about sexual services for money in any place. It has not been defined whether the internet/email/text is defined as a place but to protect yourself, assume so.

 

It will be vitally important to avoid any ads on BP from new providers that cannot be confirmed through others as LE will probably employ stings to catch clients.

 

After Royal Assent you have 30 days until C36 becomes law; use it wisely. If there are those you would like to see or discuss anything with, now is the time. If there are providers you're interested in but have not yet seen, try to establish their legitimacy now.

 

Reputable ladies are here to protect their clients as well as their business.

 

One thing to remember is that although this will be law, the time, effort and money required by LE to police these laws is no more than it is now. You have to look at priority, scale and risk involved. There is so much vagueness to this law that many judicial and LE agencies would have a difficult time delving into all the aspects. Yes, it is law but also employ common sense to know how much can be done and how.

 

There will be a lot of info put out there in the days to come, please read up as knowledge is power.

 

http://www.powerottawa.ca/home.html is one. SWOP is changing it's name so i don't have a link there.

[Sweet Emily J 172062]

Likewise, if a lady is advertising on CERB and their website or other advertising has ANY connection with a sexual service, CERB will be removing their access.

 

I've been wondering about this and hope there will be clarification about it soon. Is CERB actually going to proactively go out of their way to BAN ladies who are currently members who continue to advertise sexual services outside of CERB, or will they just not allow them to advertise here? Shouldn't they be allowed to stay on just as members (with SP access), as long as they don't advertise here? This provision in the bill is specifically about advertising, it doesn't outlaw forum owners from allowing sex workers to simply exist and be regular members.

[conquistador 18487]

I don't think current cerb ladies would be banned, probably more along the lines if you did advertise sexual services then this would likely get you banned as it would be against the rules... My take.

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

I've been wondering about this and hope there will be clarification about it soon. Is CERB actually going to proactively go out of their way to BAN ladies who are currently members who continue to advertise sexual services outside of CERB, or will they just not allow them to advertise here? Shouldn't they be allowed to stay on just as members (with SP access), as long as they don't advertise here? This provision in the bill is specifically about advertising, it doesn't outlaw forum owners from allowing sex workers to exist and be regular members.

 

 

This may be a possibility, however, I feel that CERB will need time to digest this and work out kinks. It would be a huge liability for the owners of the site to go ahead with " loops" before completely digesting the effects and all it contains. I have a feeling, even as a " reg member" you could not advertise or ask for services that are outside the legal rights.

[Midnite-Energies 110563]

MOD has commented that anyone they become aware of offering sexual services will be banned from the site. The reasoning is that they can not be privy to those offering sexual services while still allowing advertising here even if the advertising here is not sexual service related.

 

The crux is in the "knowing".

 

It will be interesting to see what happens here as there are social groups, recommendations etc that speak of sex and sexual services as well as threads and discussions. I expect there will be interesting times ahead for all.

[Sweet Emily J 172062]

MOD has commented that anyone they become aware of offering sexual services will be banned from the site. The reasoning is that they can not be privy to those offering sexual services while still allowing advertising here even if the advertising here is not sexual service related.

 

I mean NOT advertising here at all. Not just advertising non-sexual services. I mean just being a regular member and ceasing all advertising on CERB completely. Couldn't I just be a regular participant (mostly I'm concerned about SP access). Or would CERB still ban me even if I don't advertise at all? They are not doing anything illegal by allowing me to exist.

[Midnite-Energies 110563]

Sorry Emily, I missed your original point. I would think if you're not advertising here then it would be okay to be a member. It's all about the advertising and the discussing for money. If neither of those things are happening then as a "regular" member it shouldn't impact. The final decision on that is solely in the hands of the CERB hierarchy. Hopefully we will know solid details about many aspects in the next week or so.

[Kathryn Bardot 99339]

I've been wondering about this and hope there will be clarification about it soon. Is CERB actually going to proactively go out of their way to BAN ladies who are currently members who continue to advertise sexual services outside of CERB, or will they just not allow them to advertise here? Shouldn't they be allowed to stay on just as members (with SP access), as long as they don't advertise here? This provision in the bill is specifically about advertising, it doesn't outlaw forum owners from allowing sex workers to simply exist and be regular members.

I also wonder if explicit recommendations/reviews are going to be removed so that there is no "history" of sexual services having been offered (and therefore, one can assume they are still being offered).

[boomer01 5563]

Wow...my thread sure sparked some great comments . So if what I am hearing is an SP can advertise as long as sexual services are not being put out there then all is good legally and with Cerb ?

As we all know and can read between the lines I don't think this should be too big of a deal if everyone follows the rules. My concern is will our PM's still be totally private and this will be our way to work around it? Am I right in assuming our PM's are private ? If not theirs always email after the initial contact so you then are communicating outside of Cerb

As they say when there's a will there's a way.

Great feedback ...thank you

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

I also wonder if explicit recommendations/reviews are going to be removed so that there is no "history" of sexual services having been offered (and therefore, one can assume they are still being offered).

 

Well I suppose we all just need to retire?

LOL...like really, change services offer. I no longer offer that service, however, you can book my entertainment for an hour?

 

I also do not think that we can be held liable for services offered before this was illegal??? Cause there is no saying when we retired that service.

 

Turn over a new leaf I guess we all can do, and try to fight this again but will be a slow painful process.

 

With that said tho, I don't feel this is the end. We just have to comply with certain restrictions for now and hope for better days. In the end nothing much changes , and now we CAN host legally for our adult entertainment skills. Just cant discuss details with any trace history BCD.

[roamingguy 300292]

I don't know why everyone wants to just follow suit, move your stuff offshore. Move your web site offshore and problem solved. All CERB needs to do is change the name and move the hosting offshore. Don't cave in, fight back!

 

CERB is already hosted outside of Canada, but owned and operated in Canada. It would also need to be owned and operated outside of Canada

Not a lot of people could just pack up and move to another country, I doubt CERB staff (Mod et al) could (I may be wrong) move to another country...just work visas and all

Escorts will have to advertise without any reference to sex for money. Offer companionship. There are many ladies out there already who advertise as escorts, not sex providers, prostitutes, hookers etc. Ladies need to change the focus of their advertising. Everyone knows about C36, and should understand. But absolutely do not discuss sexual services, menus, sex for money, prostitution whatever in emails, texts, and phone calls. What happens privately stays that way

My two cents

 

RG

[squirtingmilf 1982]

Right now, it's not as easy as moving something offshore because those who reap the benefit cannot still be in the originating country. Therefore CERB WILL be complying with the laws and there will be NO FS advertisers permitted here. Likewise, if a lady is advertising on CERB and their website or other advertising has ANY connection with a sexual service, CERB will be removing their access. What this means is you, as a hobbyists, will have to read between the lines of advertising and websites. You will be receiving time and companionship only. No one is permitted to speak about sexual services for money in any place. It has not been defined whether the internet/email/text is defined as a place but to protect yourself, assume so.

 

It will be vitally important to avoid any ads on BP from new providers that cannot be conformed through others as LE will probably employ stings to catch clients.

 

After Royal Assent you have 30 days until C36 becomes law; use it wisely. If there are those you would like to see or discuss anything with, now is the time. If there are providers you're interested in but have not yet seen, try to establish their legitimacy now.

 

Reputable ladies are here to protect their clients as well as their business.

 

One thing to remember is that although this will be law, the time, effort and money required by LE to police these laws is no more than it is now. You have to look at priority, scale and risk involved. There is so much vagueness to this law that many judicial and LE agencies would have a difficult time delving into all the aspects. Yes, it is law but also employ common sense to know how much can be done and how.

 

There will be a lot of info put out there in the days to come, please read up as knowledge is power.

 

http://www.powerottawa.ca/home.html is one. SWOP is changing it's name so i don't have a link there.

 

Yes it is actually quite that easy or I wouldn't have suggested it. My other business is online and I used to sell porn and I know what the laws are in terms of moving things off shore and running a business offshore. Most of us did that in the porn industry when new laws came into effect. All cerb would need to do is change the site name and get a business address in a different country, it's not hard at all, people do it all the time.

 

When I first started marketing online, the bank wouldn't give me a merchant account. I went to the US opened a small business bank account, also bought a mailing address for my business (UPS and those types of services sell them for a monthly fee, all over the place) and got an American merchant account under that address. They forward my mail if I so chose or I'd go pick it up every couple of months. So it is really that simple.

 

If it ain't home grown, they can't touch you.

[Midnite-Energies 110563]

I was only speaking from what the MOD has said is the stance of the owners and their comments. Whatever they know or are being told is how they are proceeding. I can't speak for the ease or non ease of running a business around these new laws. I would assume the owners have legal council and are following their advice.

[squirtingmilf 1982]

It cost me a whole whopping $500 to set that up, without a lawyer and I think I paid 8 grand with a lawyer to move my porn businesses offshore. You just move it to a country where this industry is not illegal. And if this was me and my income was being somewhat threatened, that's exactly what I'd do. Bill C-36 makes me frustrated but I doubt it will have a big impact on my life, since I'm an old sp and not a walking target for LE and am retiring in the new year but not from advocacy.

 

Kathleen Wynne has the power as the leader of the majority opposition to take that bill to the Appeal Court of Ontario so they can deem it constitutional or not and given her sexual orientation she knows firsthand what it's like to be victimized, marginalized and judged unfairly for her lifestyle. Pressure needs to be put on her and Sen Jaffer for the next 30 days to do it.

[Kathryn Bardot 99339]

Well I suppose we all just need to retire?

LOL...like really, change services offer.

Did I say we need to retire? No. But when we're being told that we will not be allowed to be on cerb if we are advertising sexual services off cerb, and if communicating for the purposes of sexual services is illegal, I would personally be happier if the more explicit reviews were deleted or edited. And that my older ads were deleted.

I still get people who someone find my old massage ads here and assume I offer the same services. For the discretion of my clients, I would be happier if I could have the ability to delete those old ads.

[LeeRichards 177238]

Did I say we need to retire? No. But when we're being told that we will not be allowed to be on cerb if we are advertising sexual services off cerb, and if communicating for the purposes of sexual services is illegal, I would personally be happier if the more explicit reviews were deleted or edited. And that my older ads were deleted.

I still get people who someone find my old massage ads here and assume I offer the same services. For the discretion of my clients, I would be happier if I could have the ability to delete those old ads.

 

I totally understand what you are and have been saying Kathryn. and as a client it is appreciated. xo

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

Did I say we need to retire? No. But when we're being told that we will not be allowed to be on cerb if we are advertising sexual services off cerb, and if communicating for the purposes of sexual services is illegal, I would personally be happier if the more explicit reviews were deleted or edited. And that my older ads were deleted.

I still get people who someone find my old massage ads here and assume I offer the same services. For the discretion of my clients, I would be happier if I could have the ability to delete those old ads.

 

I was using the word retire with tongue in cheek. Like going from sex worker to escort. Meant with humor.

[Barney 2550]

Is Bill C-36 Law now ??

[Midnite-Energies 110563]

They were looking at Royal Assent perhaps occurring today. Once that happens, there will be a 30 day grace period before it becomes law.