Seeking legal advice

[Andee 220524]

I don't pretend to be a lawyer, but as been suggested on this board several times in many threads, stick to reputable providers and do not discuss sexual services in email, or text and you should be fine.

 

No one knows for sure how LE will interpret and go about enforcing the new law(s), but you can bet that they will probably focus their attention on what's been described as "the low hanging fruit".

[kerrixoxo 33719]

If an sp admits to being paid for sexual services, then she admits to also committing criminal activity (advertising, bawdy house). I don't see how or why an sp would admit to that. I understand your fears given the messages being disseminated in the media. But I highly doubt someone like Angela has said who is reputable will set herself up to be put in such a situation. I also think the idea of being surveilled or monitored is essentially the type of fear this new law is meant to instill to prevent these activities from taking place. Remember unless you are being obvious or taking risks to put yourself on police radar, then the scenarios you imagined could happen. You can think of any scenario all you want and instill the fear (which is legitimate) any which way you want. But if you aren't following any of the tips Angela raised and taking some risks, then yes all the scenarios you imagine might happen. Just follow the notes Angela and many others raised.

 

Xo

[Meaghan McLeod 179664]

I am not a lawyer either.

 

Everyone needs to remember, seeing an escort will not be illegal. Look at the cities that require licenses.

 

Take your ques from the USA sting operations where Le is posing as an sp. She always gets the client to specify what specific sexual service he wants for the dollar amount. She will keep insisting he specify this until he does.

 

The difference between the USA and Canada, is that in the usa it is a also illegal for the provider, so they also do stings on the providers too. Again, getting her to specify what specific service she will provide for the service. Here, that won't be the case as they are not making it illegal for us to sell our services.

 

Btw, I personally would not even discuss any specific service even when behind closed doors, until AFTER the money has been paid. You can clarify the amount of time you are purchasing just not the specifics. That's my opinion.

 

Stings never progress to an actual sexual encounter either. Take your cues from your escort (lingerie model, stripper).

 

And for gawds sake, asking if she is a cop won't get you anywhere. If it is a sting, they are going to lie and say no. Touching her boobs won't work either.

 

Stick with reputable providers who have a presence on reco boards and recommendations to back them up.

 

We're not going anywhere, just changing how we advertise and market ourselves.

 

If seeing someone new that no one else has met, well go with the assumption that you will be spending time with a lady sitting and talking your time together.

 

Bottom line, as a hobbyist, it will be illegal for you to solicit (asking) for sexual services. Just don't ask.

[squirtingmilf 1982]

Ok, first of all, no reputable lady in her right mind is going to throw you under the bus, word would spread quickly and that would be the end of her career. I used to work with young female ladies and talk to them about gang violence, so let's just say I've been to criminal court more times than I'd care to admit to (not for me lol) .. I've also been working in this industry for a lot of years and I've never personally had an issue with police even when I was young/stupid and worked on the streets (over 20 yrs ago).

 

A police officer does not have to identify him/herself and can take whatever measures he/she wants in order to bust you. They do not at any time have to admit that they are a police officer. Ladies get more victimized in this situation then men do (sorry boys but it's true) and there's often bribery/extortion etc. to provide favours in exchange for not being charged/sent to the clink etc. and I can see a whole can of worms being opened up where that's concerned with this new bill being passed .. for ladies.

 

This was VERY common back in the day when we all worked out on the streets, many moons ago, it still happens but dropped a bit when everyone moved indoors. I hear a lot about this in terms of incidents in the US and other countries, once in a while here in Canada, but not so much, although I'm pretty sure more goes unreported.

 

If an ad looks too good to be true, it more than likely is and there's usually super hot, young looking ladies used as pictures in the ads. They also usually use a bargain basement price to give you that double whammy, lure you in type scenario. And a lot of times, I'll even know there's a bust going on, because sometimes, they've used established porn star pictures.

 

Stick with reputable sp's, do your research. I know it's hard at times for you boys to maintain control over the little head at times, but use the big head, common sense. One thing I do know to the best of my knowledge that LE has never used a web site claiming it to be their own in order to put up a sting and as far as I know they've also never claimed to have reviews or be reviewed. It's always some super hot pics and a bargain price, even 2 for 1 deals.

 

If you google her number and there's no history at all, she's got no web site and no reviews, chances are it's a sting or she's super new and I feel really bad for the new ladies trying to get into the industry right now.

 

Sorry for the rambling lol but we ladies can get more charges laid against us now and will be open to more victimization than you guys will. I'm not trying to marginalize your feelings, worries etc. that would be wrong. Our issues are equally important, but ladies can get a whole stem of charges and risk being blackmailed/extorted wherein you get one.

[kerrixoxo 33719]

Bawdy houses are still criminal. Just an FYI. In only very limited contexts are they not criminal. So you've already received wrong advice.

 

This is a two way street: both you and the provider carry a risk. Some of these risks can be reduced or mitigated by following advice that is posted else where on this board. You don't want to get caught seeing a provider? Don't do anything out of the ordinary if you never been caught now. And most certainly don't do anything stupid.

 

And to squirtingmilf's point: 100% these laws put much more risk onto the provider. Like they said at senate, the goal isn't to make them safer or protect providers, it's to make it so horrible that nobody wants to do it. And judging by your fears and many others, they have succeeded.

 

Xo

[Guest *Ste***cque**]

Greenly, seems like you got some good advice from that pm. Maybe there could be some circumstance where a bawdy house isn't a moot point under the new law but it seems like picking fly shit out of pepper.

 

To keep safe under the new law you will need to do more reading between the lines of an escorts ads. You may get burned financially but that's a risk you should take to have the "appointment" remain legal.

 

What I mean is you only talk about companionship for the hour's appointment. No mention of sex at all. You book an appointment with someone who has a solid reputation, arrive at the location, pay your money and say I appreciate your time. You then let her make the first move. If you're really nervous about a "sting" you could say, after she starts kissing you "wow, I didn't expect this!" "what a nice surprise!" or something similar. If she doesn't make the first move then so be it. Lesson learned but you didn't do anything illegal. I don't see that happening often at all due to the short lived career of that escort. The bigger issue for some clients is that you won't be able to discuss ahead of time what she is willing to do, eg. bls, cob, daty, etc. It's a small price to stay for peace of mind if you're really paranoid about a sting operation.

[Mournie 140]

Touching her boobs won't work either.

 

I was under the impression this would set off her set of blue and red flashing lights. Is that no longer the case? ;)

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

I was under the impression this would set off her set of blue and red flashing lights. Is that no longer the case? ;)

 

I would imagine that SHE would have to make the first move. If she made the first move by say touching your junk, then no case because you did not solicit for it and might have a case for inappropriate touching from one who has authority.

[fortunateone 156618]

re: bawdy houses, the govt reassures everyone http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/11/06/bill-c-36-prostitution-law-unconstitutional_n_6116498.html

 

that given the SCC ruling, in December bawdyhouses (aka brothels) will actually legal.

 

re: smilf's comment, further to that, look for ads on other sites. there won't be any, the LE sting ads (if they even bother, and that's unlikely), will only be on bp, and will only have today's date, possibly yesterday's and bumped up to the current time/date.

 

Young age, low rates, perfect pics, 'low' restrictions, 24/7, no emails, it will all be text and talk, it will always be OK to come over now, all the signs. Hotel/motel as well. all the things every client should consider a red flag now, but usually only look at and say, hey, she's new, i'm gonna go see her.

 

Smart clients look for ads that have a history, an sp who posts an ad today, don't see her today, wait a couple of weeks, watch her ad, and then make contact ONLY if that sp is consistently advertising over a period of time.

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

I would imagine that SHE would have to make the first move. If she made the first move by say touching your junk, then no case because you did not solicit for it and might have a case for inappropriate touching from one who has authority.

 

I always give a client a hug and kiss on the cheek or lips as soon as they enter in the door. A female police officer would NEVER do that. If you arrive and feel something isn't right even if it isn't LE, just excuse yourself and leave before proceeding any further.

 

My advice is if you cannot find legitimate info on a new SP and you have a feeling of uneasiness like something is about to happen but you can't quite put your finger on it, do not go through with the appt or get out of there!

 

Stick with the reputable ladies and there is no problem.

[MisterMike 1873]

In the USA it's the ability to prove that the intent is to have sex for money that gets you in trouble. Two consenting adults are free to get together to do whatever. People are free to have sex. People are free to give each other money Just not both.

[Guest C*****tte]

re: bawdy houses, the govt reassures everyone http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/11/06/bill-c-36-prostitution-law-unconstitutional_n_6116498.html

 

that given the SCC ruling, in December bawdyhouses (aka brothels) will actually legal.

 

re: smilf's comment, further to that, look for ads on other sites. there won't be any, the LE sting ads (if they even bother, and that's unlikely), will only be on bp, and will only have today's date, possibly yesterday's and bumped up to the current time/date.

 

Young age, low rates, perfect pics, 'low' restrictions, 24/7, no emails, it will all be text and talk, it will always be OK to come over now, all the signs. Hotel/motel as well. all the things every client should consider a red flag now, but usually only look at and say, hey, she's new, i'm gonna go see her.

 

Smart clients look for ads that have a history, an sp who posts an ad today, don't see her today, wait a couple of weeks, watch her ad, and then make contact ONLY if that sp is consistently advertising over a period of time.

 

Definitely be wary of the too good to be true type ads that pop up out of nowhere.

 

Real SPs will have a more consistent presence... likely have ads in a variety of places (depending on the city), a social media presence on Twitter, her own website, paid ads, photos by known SP photographers.

 

I know there are ladies in Montreal who cater to a local Francophone clientele who are going to have to switch up their game in terms of their advertising. They are on local sites that have been good to them but they are shutting down or asking them to move their ads to personal listings for one night stands (soooo not the same thing!!). Clients will not know where to find them and vice versa. I feel really bad for those ladies as they will quickly be in situations activists against c36 have been warning about.

[peacectryguy 12547]

 

Young age, low rates, perfect pics, 'low' restrictions, 24/7, no emails, it will all be text and talk, it will always be OK to come over now, all the signs. Hotel/motel as well. all the things every client should consider a red flag now, but usually only look at and say, hey, she's new, i'm gonna go see her.

 

I only quoted this part of fortunateone's post because this is what I consider to be the most vital part of all of this. It is something we should have been doing all along, especially with BP and CL to avoid the scams. We are adding stings to a long list of things in these ads. "Bait& switch", "Theft from some pimp", "sub-standard hygiene", so many things.The red flags are there for all to see and like I have said here and elsewhere, "Think with the big brain!" I can't stress that enough. Also, get yourself a reverse image search downloaded or whatever like Tineye or something. If things don't look kosher, stay away.

[LadyMichelle 730]

If you google her number and there's no history at all, she's got no web site and no reviews, chances are it's a sting or she's super new and I feel really bad for the new ladies trying to get into the

 

I am fairly new and this is a big concern for me.

 

 

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[oldblueeyez 15475]

I'm kind of thinking that LE wouldn't go through the bother of a sting unless your communications with them were of an explicit nature. It's easier for them just to nab you for showing up at the location and use your communications as proof rather than to trying to entrap you after very vague communications and hoping that you'll say the wrong thing or make the wrong move once you're there. And as was said before, since the ladies have nothing to lose, why not let them make the first move?

[roamingguy 300292]

Remember, back in the old days, if you saw a lady at her place, that was illegal

But no one seemed concerned about LE raids or set ups back then

However if concerned, see well known and well recommended ladies from Lylas.com...just bookings are for time and companionship only. Avoid BP,CL, etc etc...stick to ladies from reputable communities like Lylas.com

 

RG

[nntsci 11076]

If its illegal to advertise sexual services, wouldn't it be a criminal offence for the police to set up such a sting by advertising sexual services?

[mrgreen760 37785]

It's pretty much common sense like it's always been and if it seems to good to be true... it is, like it's always been.

 

No one is a sure thing as individual tastes vary considerably so reco's and such don't mean a lot to me. Communication is the key for me and always has been, take the time and I might become interested.......don't and I won't be. After that it's all about chemistry....either it's there or it's not.

 

Peace

MG

[bcguy42 38594]

If its illegal to advertise sexual services, wouldn't it be a criminal offence for the police to set up such a sting by advertising sexual services?

 

It is not illegal for someone to advertise as you stated. What is illegal is for a third party to publish said advertising.

 

Just another nonsensical bit of the law.