Need Explanation Of New Laws........

[daytonaxo 150]

I Reside In Ottawa & Travel To Toronto, Is Anyone Able To Write Here Or Pm Me The New Law I Want To Be Able To Stay On CERB Without Being Booted As Well Have My Own General Knowledge Of The Law So I Do Not Face Severe Punishment For Something I Don't Understand.. Please Help!

Thank you !

Daytona xo

[cinelli 22184]

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Seriously? It's the number one topic here and you haven't read any of the hundreds of posts about it?

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[roamingguy 300292]

I Reside In Ottawa & Travel To Toronto, Is Anyone Able To Write Here Or Pm Me The New Law I Want To Be Able To Stay On CERB Without Being Booted As Well Have My Own General Knowledge Of The Law So I Do Not Face Severe Punishment For Something I Don't Understand.. Please Help!

Thank you !

Daytona xo

 

Some threads to read

http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=198629

http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=645317#post645317

http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=645912#post645912

http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=181850

There's a little light reading for you

 

RG

[daytonaxo 150]

I can't load anything on my phone after a certain amount of comments my phone freezes, so unfourtuneatly no I have not.

 

Thank you very much I will try to load these conversations & read up on it. :)

[Phaedrus 209521]

Short version: you can't advertize the exchange of any kind of sex for money. Advertizing will therefore have to focus on what a fantastic person you are, rather than the specific things you'll do with people.

 

There are other rules too, but those have been around for a long time, are in the FAQ, and haven't changed.

[daytonaxo 150]

Thank you very much

[daytonaxo 150]

Thank you very much, thats helpful.

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

The short version is when you contact a lady, do not ask them explicit questions implying something else. That right there is what will get people in trouble. You will now be paying for time and companionship only. Ladies won't be allowed to advertise anything explicit here either. Other sites may operate differently at their own risk and while ladies under will be allowed to advertise certain things, some won't out of discretion for their customers. They will be able to tell you certain things but YOU as a customer cannot ask.

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[ottawafalcon 210]

I have a question with regards to the definition of purchase of sexual services in the new bill 36.

If I meet a girl and want to have sex with her and ask her to lets say go down to Montreal, and I pay for the trip drinks hotel etc and then ask for sex that night, have I just committed a crime?

Or help a friend with her rent and she thanks me with a nice bobby Jones have I purchased sexual services

[Kate von Katz 49953]

Technically, no you have not committed a crime because you were not paying for sex, you were paying to compensate a lady for her companionship. Whatever occurs within the time you have agreed to spend together is up to two adults. The financial transaction is for her time.

 

Clients are going to have to read between the lines, and learn not to have a list of expectations of activities since we cannot discuss or advertise them. Professional companions are compensated for their time and are therefor not violating any laws. Leave it at that.

 

As a client, it is your duty and in your best interests to be less crude and demanding of us ladies and learn to just go with the flow and be aware of the subtleties and finer points of companionship. If you can't or won't do that, then perhaps this is a good time to find a new hobby? Or at least stick with reputable ladies through sites like LYLA/Cerb.

[roamingguy 300292]

And no more double, queen or king size beds, even for married couples

Just two single beds in a bedroom, just like from the Lucille Ball, or Dick Van Dyke Show era

 

 

This is what MacKay envisions, people won't be focused on sex, instead more focused on loftier pursuits...philosophy, literature, the classics

 

RG :-)

[squirtingmilf 1982]

The taking out for a date question (board isn't working properly on my end);

 

You can still be questioned about your "relationship" though and if said officer or whomever doesn't like your answer, you can still get into trouble. I don't know what officers would actually enforce that aspect of the bill, but considering some officers are complete "asshats" as I like to call them, I could see some abusing that little bit of the new law just to be jerks. If you happen to run into some power happy officer, all bets are off imho.

[bcguy42 38594]

I have a question with regards to the definition of purchase of sexual services in the new bill 36.

 

Actually, you and I and the rest of Canada have that same question. Nowhere in the bill does it specifically spell out what actions of a sexual nature are prohibited! That will be left for the courts to decide.

 

Which takes us back to the old definition of porn. Can't define it but I know it when I see it.

[Phaedrus 209521]

I have a question with regards to the definition of purchase of sexual services in the new bill 36.

 

Actually, you and I and the rest of Canada have that same question. Nowhere in the bill does it specifically spell out what actions of a sexual nature are prohibited! That will be left for the courts to decide.

 

This was mentioned quite a bit during the legislative process, and was done by design. We all now have two options:

 

1. Use the most conservative interpretation of "sexual service" you can think of

 

2. Be prepared to become a test-case so this can be argued in court.

 

For most people, the second option is simply not on the agenda, and the resultant chilling effect on both discourse and activity is precisely why the language in the law is so vague.

[slyjohn 929]

I've 'tried' to read this Bill and there are mentions of Recording may be used etc..

 

Would TXT or SMS be used by the courts to prosecute?

 

If so.. I would guess that diligence is now on when texting an agency and/or a companion.

 

s

[innocent77 110]

Just to be certain.

 

There's a difference with being charged with a crime and being convicted. Most of the damage when dealing with the law is when you are still innocent. After being proved guilty, its usually just probation for minor infractions.

 

Don't ask how I know, I just do. :vl:

 

They have to prove:

 

You actually paid.

You actually did it with intent.

You actually got what you paid for.

 

also...

 

the witness has to show up to testify, and the police have to prove probable cause to arrest you.

 

If you willingly commit a crime ( which you shouldn't ) and you leave you house to commit said crime ( whatever that may be ) all you have to do is plan ahead, in case you get caught, including what you would say, what evidence you would have on you, and how you would manage your case.

 

Just saying...

[drlove 37204]

I've 'tried' to read this Bill and there are mentions of Recording may be used etc..

 

Would TXT or SMS be used by the courts to prosecute?

 

If so.. I would guess that diligence is now on when texting an agency and/or a companion.

 

s

 

Good question... a lot of ladies still prefer text and e-mail over an old fashioned phone call. Which is the safest option?

[Cloud 1210]

I have a question with regards to the definition of purchase of sexual services in the new bill 36.

 

I think this question has been answered by Fortunateone in another thread, but here goes:

 

The Justice Department submitted a technical paper with the definition of sexual services.

 

A sexual service consists of two things (both must be present):

1) A service that is sexual in nature

2) The service is intended for the sexual gratification of the recipient

 

I note that sexual services are still legal. And now that I look at this again it seems absurd.

[Katherine of Halifax 113932]

This is absolutely simple.

 

Money for time. Money for time .Money for time. Money for time. Money for time.

 

This has always been the smart way to go and not it's the only way to go.

Time and patience here will win. Some ladies will have a hard time sticking to this and some gents will have to learn a new way of meeting for the first time.

 

I believe someone has mentioned already keep your good friends close and when in doubt , lets ask each other questions.

 

We are here to support each other and its more important now that it ever was to do so.

[roamingguy 300292]

I think this question has been answered by Fortunateone in another thread, but here goes:

 

The Justice Department submitted a technical paper with the definition of sexual services.

 

A sexual service consists of two things (both must be present):

1) A service that is sexual in nature

2) The service is intended for the sexual gratification of the recipient

 

I note that sexual services are still legal. And now that I look at this again it seems absurd.

 

Justice Department sure cleared that one up

Remember an English teacher saying when defining a word don't use the word you are trying to define in the definition. He would follow with "a dog is a dog" That doesn't define what a dog is

In this case, a sexual service is a service that is sexual

Dumb question for the Justice Department. If you engage in a non sexual act that gives sexual gratification OR a engage in a sexual act but received no gratification from it is does that mean it is no longer legally a sexual service. AND who determines if you received sexual gratification...some justice department lawyer?

This confusion has me so frustrated I need to see a companion :-)

Even more frustrated since I'm rambling without a full first cup of coffee :-)

 

RG