Bp

[Tempted Monk 5057]

Just went through this thread and want to add a couple of comments regarding this BP subject.

 

"Is BP good or bad?" It seems that question itself is wrong. It is not bad or good, it just exists, it is reality which we need to accept, like a weather. Weather may be different, we just need to be prepared: if it is rainy - we need an umbrella, if it is cold - we need to be dressed accordingly, if it is sunny - we need sun glasses. The same with BP: going to such commercial website client must be aware of possible scam, B&S, fake photos; SP should be ready to deal with some jerks and time wasters.

 

We have to face the reality that nowadays this industry cannot survive without sites like BP. Business cannot be done based just on personal website and place like Lyla (there are exceptions of course). Who goes to Lyla? It is mostly registered members of this community, we have about 38,000 of them and many are not active. Toronto BP has much more hits every day. It speaks for itself. In particular, the Ladies who travel regularly usually advertize on BP because there are just no other options. There is always one-two guys who are interested in this particular provider and knows her schedule from personal website. But 10 other guys will just go to BP to find out who is available today or tomorrow. And many of them are good clients. Business cannot be based on those 1-2 well informed guys, the other 10 should be taken into consideration.

 

There are different types of advertising targeting different types of clients. On Eros for example, client finds the provider he likes and then plans the rendezvous according to her schedule and usually books in advance. It is sort of advanced client. BP gives the information about providers available today, at this moment. BP's target is occasional same date client, it is a different and probably bigger category.

[Katherine of Halifax 113932]

The majority of my business comes from BP.

 

Look for ladies who have a web presence beyond BP (e.g. a website, ads on other sites, etc).

 

Yes I agree , it's more a booking site than a chatting club . Most on BP will follow your booking protocol and if they don't no date .

 

Overall I love my BP clients , they book and show up and don't abuse my time . They don't feel they can text or email me 3 times a day , again respect .

What is wrong with BP ?

[Tempted Monk 5057]

Be aware: Bait & Switch - how it works:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLxoCtaJmlw&feature=youtu.be

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

While anyone of age can access any type of adult industry sites now or in the past, the trends I've seen in the last few years is that this industry is not as taboo as it once when there were no classified sites catering to this business. Anyone who isn't really looking to meet an escort for companionship has the ability to browse these sections on classified sites while looking for something else.. They can buy women and tires in the same place. This brings in traffic that perhaps wouldn't be prospective clients or escorts when they were strictly adult sites years ago.

 

Imo there seems to be a correlation with being on a mainstream site as opposed to an adult only escort site. A lot of escorts who may be on BP are not on site like escorts-canada. There are escorts who are on both who have already established a presence. They may use BP because that's the place to go. With BP you don't have to establish yourself to be an escort whereas in the past it was something gradual. While industry sites like Lyla have the ability to be more vocal about bait and switch, BP doesn't offer that.

 

I view BP as a popular place to advertise but in my experience of using it for every 10 men, there are 2 good guys who take the time to look at the website, are polite and don't negotiate, are not pimps trying represent you or trying to ride your coattails. I'm been in this in this business and compared to past years on BP there are a new wave of people calling who seem seedier than ever who try to trade "things' ( I won't say here because it's prohibited) for service or to try to get them as their own clientele. It's bullshit.

 

Before BP I never experienced this craziness when I was on sites like LYla, E-C- any other popular adult sites. So why does it happen on BP and not anywhere else? There is next to no moderation there and I view it as a free for all for some people to exploit it like I mentioned above. It's "the place to go" now because that's where most guys go to look and most people ( well at the least the ones I know) advertise there because if they didn't it would limit their business.

 

The ones I have dealt with, 80% wanted to negotiate, wanting $100 for an hour of companionship, many were pimps trying to recruit, one even wanted to rent a room from me ( yes this is true! lol), drunk guys calling between midnight and 5 am and the list goes on. And it costs $10 a day. $10 a day for me to put up with this crap. No thanks.

 

I have put up an ad there once in a while but I don't deal with 20 something guys and many of them on a beer budget who call me "baybe". Most of them just want you to send them pictures and text back and forth all day long. It's not effective for me but for massage in the body rub section, I have had better luck advertising there once in a while.

 

The business has changed with technology, new demographic of clients such as the younger guys now hiring escorts more than before it seems maybe because some ladies may advertise within their budget.

 

And before anyone decides to say I'm labeling people who advertise on there etc as they have in the past these are my personal experiences only. Other people have had success with that site and some other ladies I know close to me told me they feel like they have to advertise there because that's the place to go even though they can't stand dealing with some of the people who contact them before they find a few good gem client.

 

I have been at this for a while and for years I have been accustomed to dealing with certain types of sites and certain types of clientele with little to no hassle when booking. Most respected the rates, booking process to and took the time to find a professional. That has seemed to change with the introduction of classified ads. Now most prospective clients and less desirable clients are all looking on one site and it's difficult than ever now to weed through time wasters to find a decent client.

[MickiAllure 190]

Many many ads are too good to be true on backpage, so searching a lady's photo through google or tineye, searching her phone number and name and seeing if there are any reviews on her is a good idea.

 

Research is key. Reputable ladies have nothing to hide.

[Helena D'Orville 33237]

I already said it in this thread, but I feel that it is important to say it again:

 

As a Kingston Escort, 95% of my business comes from BP. I repeat: 95% of my business comes from BP. And I must not be the only one!Therefore, implying that BP only/mostly has fake ads, bait and switch etc... is putting fear in potential clients, strongly suggesting them to stay away from girls who advertise there. Meaning to stay away from girls like me. Only about 5% of my clients ALSO have an account here on Lyla. But even this 5% often found my ad FIRST on Bp. So you get it, without BP = no business for me, no business for other girls who work in Kingston too.

 

Funny enough some people who have participated to this thread encourage this fear of girls while they do advertise on BP... So all the other girls are bad, but they are not? Hm... Instead of searching for what is wrong with the others' ads, or making up fears hoping that it will attract more business to them, I personally prefer to focus on HOW I ADVERTISE MYSELF. I have no time nor energy to loose on being BP's police to check which girl is real or fake.

 

I am not to be taken responsible for fake ads on BP. I don't manage BP and cannot do anything about it. The fact is that it is the first place where men go to look for an escort. At least it is true FOR MY CITY, Kingston. And I do advertise or have profiles/accounts on many other websites, whether them being boards, or simply advertising sites for escorts.

 

If some disrespectful men try to negociate donations, acts, or avoid my screening process, then end of discussion, no meeting, that's all. And I have never had any issue with my clients so far. Of course there are WOTS and no shows, but we ladies all experience that.

 

My website link is always in my ads. My observation is that less than 5% of guys take the time/make the effort to visit it.

 

So it is a lot of biases to put on ladies who use BP to advertise their services, when we know that we all have to do it! BP is what it is, I cannot change it. Can you?

 

And one last thing, again about biases. I am going to quote what Leprechaun1957 wrote:

 

". I avoid certain locations or hotels (e.g Montreal Road or Rideau Street)"

 

Why? Because the ladies you might meet/have met who are located in this area are not trustworthy? All of them? Are you absolutely sure about that? You might miss some wonderful experience by making this idea a general rule, and mostly, you might insult some who live/work in this area and who are known to be reputable ladies, welcoming gentlemen in very nice locations... And by writing this, you might put fear in some potential clients' minds who will conclude that they must not see girls who are located in this area.

 

We have all said that: do your research. Well, people, please do your research, and avoid spreading fears and biases, it is insulting, and I am personally fed up with this.

 

Thank you.

[conquistador 18487]

 

And one last thing, again about biases. I am going to quote what Leprechaun1957 wrote:

 

". I avoid certain locations or hotels (e.g Montreal Road or Rideau Street)"

 

Why? Because the ladies you might meet/have met who are located in this area are not trustworthy? All of them? Are you absolutely sure about that? You might miss some wonderful experience by making this idea a general rule, and mostly, you might insult some who live/work in this area and who are known to be reputable ladies, welcoming gentlemen in very nice locations... And by writing this, you might put fear in some potential clients' minds who will conclude that they must not see girls who are located in this area.

 

We have all said that: do your research. Well, people, please do your research, and avoid spreading fears and biases, it is insulting, and I am personally fed up with this.

 

Thank you.

 

I actually would have to agree with him, I wouldn't see a provider in these areas myself, I have to look out for myself too and I have certain standards. The hotels in these areas are not 4 or 5 star hotels and usually below par, so I can see why he would avoid them.

 

Maybe the provider is trustworthy but the locations are not.

 

I remember having a fav MP of mine was in a hotel in a certain location but I was not comfortable in meeting her at that location, even though I knew her well and trusted her... It was all about the location and hotel.

 

Doing my research helped me to avoid these areas, in terms of this hobby.

 

My ramble.

[Helena D'Orville 33237]

Conquistador: anybody has the right to choose where they feel comfortable to meet a lady or not, of course. But what you are saying is the result of a generalized stigmatization of an area in Kingston that still suffers from a reputation that is 15/20 years old and that is NOT valid anymore !!!!! There is nothing wrong with this neighborhood!!! But some people in Kingston keep maintaining this bad reputation about this neighborhood because it seems to be too much of a mental exercise for them to stay open minded and judge by themselves. Update your information people! Oh, and by the way, very good place to make real estate investment there: only place left 10 minutes drive away from downtown with houses you can buy for a reasonable price that will raise very quickly in a few years because this area is expending. It won't take long before people get it and give up their biases about this neighborhood... because they will make good money with it!

 

It is always more comfortable to put labels on people, and on places. So convenient. And maintaining fears this way.

 

I have not been raised this way at all. The act of putting stigmatization and biases on some groups is an extremely hard practice for me to accept. Sometimes the world makes me sad, really.

[conquistador 18487]

Conquistador: anybody has the right to choose where they feel comfortable to meet a lady or not, of course. But what you are saying is the result of a generalized stigmatization of an area in Kingston that still suffers from a reputation that is 15/20 years old and that is NOT valid anymore !!!!! There is nothing wrong with this neighborhood!!! But some people in Kingston keep maintaining this bad reputation about this neighborhood because it seems to be too much of a mental exercise for them to stay open minded and judge by themselves. Update your information people! Oh, and by the way, very good place to make real estate investment there: only place left 10 minutes drive away from downtown with houses you can buy for a reasonable price that will raise very quickly in a few years because this area is expending. It won't take long before people get it and give up their biases about this neighborhood... because they will make good money with it!

 

It is always more comfortable to put labels on people, and on places. So convenient. And maintaining fears this way.

 

I have not been raised this way at all. The act of putting stigmatization and biases on some groups is an extremely hard practice for me to accept. Sometimes the world makes me sad, really.

Think we are talking about 2 different cities lol... I'm talking about Ottawa, and things are pretty much the same on these streets.

 

Wasn't talking about Kingston, if things have changed there, then great.

 

Cheers.

[50 Shades Raven 31380]

I already said it in this thread, but I feel that it is important to say it again:95% of my business comes from BP. I repeat: 95% of my business comes from BP. And I must not be the only one!Therefore, implying that BP only/mostly has fake ads, bait and switch etc... is putting fear in potential clients, strongly suggesting them to stay away from girls who advertise there. Meaning to stay away from girls like me. Only about 5% of my clients ALSO have an account here on Lyla. But even this 5% often found my ad FIRST on Bp. So you get it, without BP = no business for me, no business for other girls who work in Kingston too.

 

And one last thing, again about biases. I am going to quote what Leprechaun1957 wrote:

 

". I avoid certain locations or hotels (e.g Montreal Road or Rideau Street)"

 

Why? Because the ladies you might meet/have met who are located in this area are not trustworthy? All of them? Are you absolutely sure about that? You might miss some wonderful experience by making this idea a general rule, and mostly, you might insult some who live/work in this area and who are known to be reputable ladies, welcoming gentlemen in very nice locations... And by writing this, you might put fear in some potential clients' minds who will conclude that they must not see girls who are located in this area.

 

We have all said that: do your research. Well, people, please do your research, and avoid spreading fears and biases, it is insulting, and I am personally fed up with this.

 

Thank you.

 

I am in full agreement with Mia Adore here.

But I have to say that 98% of my business comes from bp.

 

I found on here, that unless someone has tofft, no one wants to see you, well, there has to be someone that is first!

I have seen a few gentlemen from here, none of which have had the courage to write a reco and many of them have been repeaters, that is their decision for various reasons, but it shouldn't be a reason to dismiss someone.

 

Also, there are girls that request no reco's be written about them.

 

I for one like to use bp, especially if I am touring, it is just another avenue of marketing for me. Yes, there are girls that do bait and switch and just outright lie about info and use fake/other girls pics.

But to state that everyone that uses bp is not good, then tell that to the elite and very reputable ladies right here on Lyla that use it! especially when they are touring, it's how the gentlemen of the area know they are here!

 

I get told from gentlemen that they don't want to come to me due to my location, but they live in an area that I wouldn't walk through in broad daylight without protection.

I have a very clean, neat and welcoming incall location, extremely private and discreet that is just for this business.

It never looks as though someone was just there, and I don't live in it.

 

Until the fakers and liars are outed on bp, there will always be the misgivings that everyone is the same.

 

I, like Mia Adore, have my website listed in my links, does anyone use the foresight to actually look at it? usually not!

 

We advertise where we see fit, and since bp is worldwide, I uses it wherever I travel.

 

[Helena D'Orville 33237]

Think we are talking about 2 different cities lol... I'm talking about Ottawa, and things are pretty much the same on these streets.

 

Wasn't talking about Kingston, if things have changed there, then great.

 

Cheers.

 

Very funny Conquistador because the streets you named in your post (didn't know you were talking of Ottawa) are the same streets here that people have trouble with!

 

The stigma issue might be about the names of the streets then more than the streets themselves? lol

[conquistador 18487]

Very funny Conquistador because the streets you named in your post (didn't know you were talking of Ottawa) are the same streets here that people have trouble with!

 

The stigma issue might be about the names of the streets then more than the streets themselves? lol

 

Haha, not it's the streets themselves... Funny how that works... And Kingston use to be the capital lol.

 

In Ottawa, the two streets are the same, they run into each other essentially, and in a rougher part of town.

[Eric Northman 16522]

Very funny Conquistador because the streets you named in your post (didn't know you were talking of Ottawa) are the same streets here that people have trouble with!

 

The stigma issue might be about the names of the streets then more than the streets themselves? lol

 

Argh...this is super racist but in U.S. cities it's MLK blvd. that is supposed to be the one to avoid.

 

:-P

[Exotic Touch Danielle 31729]

Alot of reputable ladies advertise on BP and even CL....I myself advertise on a few different sites because i do still meet a lot of decent respectful gentlemen

You have to put yourself out there and be seen as anything being advertised

But I do agree with what has been said...its best to check for reviews or maybe a website or do the tinyeye research to make sure the lady is decent and legit

[Guest Lep*******1**7]

I think I stoked a bit of a firestorm about the use of BP with my commentary. I understand that a lot of reputable ladies use BP and I did not mean to cast dispersion on them or their use of this site. I apologize for that.

 

Also my comments were limited to BP Ottawa, not in other locations.

 

I guess what I should have said to the men is to do your homework in any case not just for BP. I do wish that all sites would monitor the authenticity of photos to avoid misrepresentation. This type of misrepresentation can affect the women as well as the men.

[Tempted Monk 5057]

This thread underwent the interesting transformation starting from the discussion of reliability of information on BP and ending on discussion if participation in BP is good or bad.

Actually, I don't see how using some website can make someone or something better or worth.

 

Let me put it this way.

As a client, I go to BP from time to time. Does this change my personality or makes me worth client? I don't think so. If I come to the escort companion from BP, will she treat me in a different way then the guy who came from Eros or personal website directly? I hope not. Or am I wrong Ladies?

If I found companion on BP, will I treat her differently than Lady from Lyla? - no way, with the same respect and high expectations. It does not depend on website, it depends on person.

 

Being general commercial site, BP is just less reliable source of information than some special sites for escort advertising - that is all. This means that a little bit more efforts are required on both sides. Clients should do some search and verification, Ladies are expected to do smart advertizing to save us some time on that search and verification.

 

(BTW, Mia's ad is the perfect example how it can be done right on BP - no doubts about person authenticity or service quality - IMHO.)

[Eric Northman 16522]

In the technical sense, the big difference is that Lyla is moderated and BP isn't. If you're into that sort of thing, BP is to Lyla what 4Chan is to something like Reddit.

 

It isn't that one is BETTER per se but the barrier to entry and rules of Lyla are more challenging so you're more likely to have quality postings. From the client standpoint, you need to be LESS careful on Lyla because presumably everyone here is legit. Not to say a Lyla date is a sure thing but there's less of the wild west up in here.

[CristyCurves 169032]

In the technical sense, the big difference is that Lyla is moderated and BP isn't. If you're into that sort of thing, BP is to Lyla what 4Chan is to something like Reddit.

 

It isn't that one is BETTER per se but the barrier to entry and rules of Lyla are more challenging so you're more likely to have quality postings. From the client standpoint, you need to be LESS careful on Lyla because presumably everyone here is legit. Not to say a Lyla date is a sure thing but there's less of the wild west up in here.

 

Yes, presumably. Backpage is moderated, just not enough. You can't post explicit pics and you can report issues. Perhaps that could be a resolve. If more would report those who b&s perhaps less would be able to get away with it.

[peacectryguy 12547]

I do use BP from time to time because frankly, it's the only real game in town around these parts, for the most part. Now, many touring ladies from review boards who tour in the area also advertise on BP when they come here. The one problem with BP is that it is advertising only so if a lady only advertises there, we, as clients, have to try and do more homework to get an idea of who she is. On review or reco boards, we have the luxury of being able to have online conversations with ladies and that makes our decision so much easier. It also helps immensely when we are first meeting as the nervousness isn't quite as bad. Having said all that, I have met several women that advertise exclusively on BP and they have been fantastic, lovely ladies who love what they do and we enjoy each others company. I do, however, take my time, use picture search tools, etc. and watch for suspicious wording in the ads. I have been very good at this, for the most part but there have been a few sub-par experiences over time. This is the risk one takes. I have never been scammed or had any brush-ups with the law and I will continue to enjoy myself by using my instincts.

[Athos 108589]

If you use your head, and do some research, one can usually weed out the BP ads that are fakes or scammers. In my area there tends to not really be much other than BP for SPs to advertise. So locally, I have my one regular SP that I have seen for years. When I travel, I rely on lyla. It's an approach that has worked well for me. As a result, i really have no need for BP.

[Ann Gallerie 7910]

Not everyone uses my favorite site. BP reaches smaller markets effectively, and allows me to channel them into my favorite inexpensively. Men in the burbs need love, too!

[carrieann 110]

Recently it's a nightmare .

From what I am getting credit card companies are getting flack for accepting payments from BP hence promoting prostitution and what kind of image they are putting out.

Mastercard was the first to discontinue BP from their services ...next day Visa. Currently if I am correct only Amex. .however BP offers a choice of buying credits via money order or check ( sure that's going to work as a charm :-/.

 

So until BP straightens this out they have allowed free posting.

Omgosh what has come out of the wood work . Spammers. ..scammers. .flagging till no tomorrow.

 

I post on BP yes for those who know me but have taken extra caution giving out my incall location and having to call back booked appointments. The spoofing ..the false bookings are insane since the free posting thing.

 

Honestly I would suggest ppl who use BP really take caution even moreso. ..the changes in the last few days have been crazy.

 

Most know already but some yet may not ...

Play safe have fun! !!

 

Cheers!

 

Carrieann

[Helena D'Orville 33237]

In fact you can pay for your ads with "Paysafe Card" which is a company/brand name, and it is NOT a physical card but a receipt that you get when you buy it at Canada Post. So go to the Post Office and ask the employee to look in their computer because often they don't even know what it is! This transaction is done with their computer only. You pay them a certain amount, then they print you a paper with a Pin number on it that you use on BP to pay for your ads. This company is based in Vienna, Austria. So I doubt that there would be any issue with the payments. I used this method and worked perfectly.