when you guys say everything is safe what do you mean?

[markthomas 100]

when you guys say everything is safe what do you mean?

[mod 135639]

I moved this for you Mark. You posted it on a ladies recommendation (Not the best place to ask a question like this)

 

What it means is she does not offer BJ without a condom (this often includes oral sex on her must be protected as well).

 

99.9% of the ladies use condoms for full service (You should not even need to worry about that but if someone offers this to you it means they offer it to others so your risk factor goes MUCH higher (Sti/Std) and if you were to ask a provider to have unprotected sex with you most would end the conversation and walk out/hang up/ ignore/etc.... as most of the ladies don't even want to offer any service to guys who ask for this.

 

The risk of sti/std is much lower with oral sex (but still a risk is involved) some ladies are comfortable with this risk level and others are not.

 

You will see acronyms for BBBJ (Bare back B.J meaning no condom) CIM (Cum in mouth) CBJ (Covered B.J meaning condom only) Etc.. you can find info on all these abbreviations here http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/faq.php?faq=abbreviations#faq_abvlist2

[capitalman 3861]

I'm no expert, but I'd like to add that I interpret this "SAFE" as meaning no exchange of fluids too. Not only does the SP only offer covered BJ, but likely no CIM, COF etc. Possibly no kissing as well.

 

That being said, I've received very good services from many girls that advertise only SAFE services, including bareback BJ, kissing, COF etc. Quite often the SP is saying SAFE so she can decide what level of service she wishes to offer without the client expecting a certain level. Probably because she doesn't want to guarantee BBBJ to everyone or uncleanly guys or whatever...YMMV.

[Old Dog 179138]

...or it could mean that the pitcher has delivered a bases loaded walk... but that is rather unlikely in this context.

[Reese 253]

I think Capitalman's nailed it pretty well(ahem!...pardon the pun). Wouldn't we all want to be considered "expert", Cman, but think about how much those Gatorade sponsor stickers would sting being peeled off your ass afterwards ! Better to retain our amateur status....:fes:

[Kate von Katz 49953]

When a lady says she is a safe GFE it excludes services such as BBBJ and CIM. As for COF I think this depends on the lady. I am safe, but I offer COF. DFK and LFK are not excluded but your mileage may vary - usually pending on hygeine. DATY is likewise not excluded and also pends on hygeine.

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[fortunateone 156618]

I am just wondering if the OP is only referring to when he sees the term in a recommendation? To me, that would mean he is not sure exactly what the poster means when they say safe. And to me I think in a recommendation, or if someone is describing services received, it might make more sense to simply say what was rather than use an "everything safe" reference.

 

Some sps use it in ads and for them it means they do not offer any GFE elements so there is no daty, no kissing whatsoever, cbj only. Others use it when they offer everything GFE but do a covered bj. It just makes more sense to me to just say what is or isn't available, and edit it only by adding hygiene a must or conditional bbbjs lol. At least the clients will know what is possible, whether they get it or not then is only up to them.

[Guest s******ecan****]

Also if in doubt about a specific lady's offerings, first read her website/profile a 2nd time then question her (be respectful) to avoid misunderstandings during the date.

[Kate von Katz 49953]

Also if in doubt about a specific lady's offerings, first read her website/profile a 2nd time then question her (be respectful) to avoid misunderstandings during the date.

 

Amen to that! If a lady has a website, definitely DEFINITELY read it thoroughly.

[Andee 220524]

when you guys say everything is safe what do you mean?

 

I wondered what you meant by "you guys", but you were referring to us ladies, weren't you?

 

Lindsay said it best.

[bewlayb 7480]

I wondered what you meant by "you guys", but you were referring to us ladies, weren't you?

 

 

I hope so. :shock:

[Reese 253]

....and following a blissful encounter a couple weeks ago at the Crown Plaza, I'd hope that("safe") would further include a towel on the bathroom floor, or something. Went skidding with the first step out of the tub !(pre-rinse solo) In the very least, risked pulling a crucial groinal muscle(bad) - or, could've(almost) come down in a twisted mess of limbs, fractured cranial bone and shattered porcelain(very bad). Fortunately, none of the above occured, and Mtl's Addictive's lovely Alicia had me soon forgetting all about my slippery brush with..., well, a serious freakin' boo-boo at best. Odd, didn't see my life flash before my eyes, just myself staring back at me from the giant bathroom mirror in wide-eyed terror. Weird. Wonder what she would've done in the other room following the ground-trembling thud ?

[Leber 1328]

"Safe" means differently between ladies and guys alike. So it's best to first read the posting and/or materials on Websites carefully. If you're still unsure, ask before hand.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

Not sure if the OP asking from health risk point of view only, because there are several risk factors involved with hobbying. Since the OP asking about "when everything is safe?", then I give a comprehensive response to the original question.

 

1 - Health factor - Well hugging and cuddling is safe for sure. Also based on my extensive research kissing (DFK and Daty not Dato) is relatively very very safe for both sides too (depending on our risk tolerence levels. They are within my risk tolerence levels). BBJ, CIM, COB not safe for either side but very low risk (still outside my risk tolerence level). Needless to say it must be CFS to be safe. To minimize this factor minimize/avoid bare services(except daty/dfk which based on my research are very safe even bare and within my acceptable risk levels. Just check for signs of open sores/warts, etc. in full light or unusual smell).

 

2 - Legal factor - Tse law says Solicitation in public is illegal. That likely makes incalls illegal. It is very low risk but still outside my acceptable risk level. You want to be safe on this factor then take outcalls only (even if you can't have guests a home, investing a hundred on a motel or a hundred fifty on a hotel may worth it in my view to be safe). If you have to take incalls and want to virtually eliminate this, then stick to cerb indies.

 

3 - The BF/Pimp/agency factor -

 

3.1 - What if you go incall and someone jumps on you and take your money or hurt you, or the pimp (or the so called BF) walks in and pull a knife and demand money or else. What if someone is in closet ..... - These are incall risks. They are outside my tolerence risk levels. To eliminate this factor restrict yourself to cerb indies.

 

3.2 - What if you invite the lady and she is no lady but a thief and learn where you live (unless it is a hotel outcall). What if the BF/pimp knock on your door demanding money. These are outcall risk factors. The outcall risk factors can be minimized but not eliminated by doing lots of research before calling, especially when you respond to CL ads. If you want to avoid this, stick to cerb indies only (exclude agencies though as the agency or the unknown lady working for that agency, or represented by that agency or the agency boss himself/herself will still learn where you live and likely your name too and can and likely will use it against you in future, say upon a fair but a negative review/comment. I have been a victim of this agency factor myself lol. To eliminate this factor, stick to this recommendation board (cerb) only and avoid commenting on other review boards).

 

4 - Being stalked - Has happened only twice to me in 12 years, and both times with dancers not escorts. Escorts likely come with the intention of doing a job and forget about you after the job is done. There are no expectation beyond that on either side. Overwhelming majority of dancers too but possibly very few if they see your living comfort level and ability to make them feel happy, then they may disillude themselves and after repeated visits demanding more (including late night calls and/or pushing to move in with you as GF or demanding more frequent visits. This is within my acceptable level of risk. To avoid this risk factor restrict yourself to professional escorts, in particular cerb indies.

 

PS - Above comments are from hobbyists' safety points of view. For example, factor no. 4 is much riskier for SPs.

 

This posts reflects my personal views on safety related to hobbying.

 

Secret Admirer

[Reddog01 30280]

I agree with most off SA's points. Question for the SPs: When clients DATY what percentage use a dental dam or other technique to be more "safe"?

[Guest s******ecan****]

....and following a blissful encounter a couple weeks ago at the Crown Plaza, I'd hope that("safe") would further include a towel on the bathroom floor, or something. Went skidding with the first step out of the tub !(pre-rinse solo) In the very least, risked pulling a crucial groinal muscle(bad) - or, could've(almost) come down in a twisted mess of limbs, fractured cranial bone and shattered porcelain(very bad). Fortunately, none of the above occured, and Mtl's Addictive's lovely Alicia had me soon forgetting all about my slippery brush with..., well, a serious freakin' boo-boo at best. Odd, didn't see my life flash before my eyes, just myself staring back at me from the giant bathroom mirror in wide-eyed terror. Weird. Wonder what she would've done in the other room following the ground-trembling thud ?

 

Great post Reese and good reminder to us all to be careful with the pre visit shower. The last thing any of us need is an ambulance call to the hotel which would (in my case at least) lead to an awkward explanation to the SO.