Private Striptease

[Guest b***b**m]

I was talking with a couple of friends wondering, if there is a fixed rate for an hour of strippers/exotic dancers time.

 

Also do you think the girls at Strip clubs would provide a CR session outside the strip club? or is it a girl to girl type of thing.

 

I really think the strippers should try and reach out to us on cerb. It would be a good chance to create a community.

 

Thoughts? :bowdown:

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

I'm an erotic dancer and I offer a private striptease with my massage. I know Jazy also does so. I don't think most strippers would offer a private striptease except to their regulars and they would probably charge a lot more than women here on CERB. The reason being, it's difficult to negotiate safety, a place, boundaries, etc. Now that I have that all worked out, I can charge a reasonable rate. When I was only an erotic dancer and not doing massage, I would have charged more than the regular rate of $20/song to meet someone outside of the club. Even now, I don't offer outcalls or striptease for more than one man (ie party, etc.). There is also the risk of legal trouble when meeting a client from a strip club outside of the club. It could be soliciting in a public place. I'm much more comfortable meeting with on CERB than in strip clubs!!

 

Believe it or not, many erotic dancers are against escorting, massaging, etc. I think it's because the sex industry is stigmatized and they like to set themselves apart. That is why I think many erotic dancers are not interested in associating themselves with CERB. You can also get into trouble with a club if they find out you're doing escorting on the side and you could get fired. They believe you might solicit clients in the club and draw police attention.

[Mister T 45020]

Wether it's done in the regular CR or by renting a VIP room in clubs that have them (on the Quebec side), some clubs allow for a "fixed rate" (usually for the dancer's time and a fee for the room going to the club if you want to be more comfortable) if you take a dancer say for half an hour or an hour instead of charging a per song rate. Of course, this is done within the safety of the club and does not give licence for more than dances. On the Ottawa side that would not be possible because of the bylaws.

 

Most dancers I know very well wont do "Outside of the club" dances as they consider the club their workplace and dancing their regular work, with a regular schedule. Some work daytime and a have things to do in the evening, while others work evening shift 6 days a week, some work part time to supplement their income.

 

Megan, you bring good points. Dancers i know enjoy the company of good, polite clients but being there is always jerks, young excited clients, drunks etc ... especially late at night. Different shifts, different clientele .....

 

I also agree that organizing anything within the walls of a club (even for meeting outside the club) with a dancer is asking for trouble for everyone, including the club (solliciting, a dancer taking business away from the club etc...). Regulars i know would not do this as to not jeopardise their jobs as dancers. Besides, clubs live off big groups and parties, like Bachelor's.

 

Lastly, dancers are pretty private and don't advertise. They build clientele in the club and may keep in touch if they trust you enough, and i do mean trust with a big T. But in my experience this stays in the confines of the club.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

Yes there can be a fixed rate (for some, I would say most). Rate varies between individuals who offer fix rate.

 

If you wish to attract classy dancers whom you meet in SCs to your home for private dancing, then you have to earn their trust. You have to invest plenty of money and time to do that. You have to prove that:

 

You are a nice trusty gent.

You are safe

You do not push their boundaries (usually, almost always (classy) dancers do not get engage in sex)

You can afford them

You are reasonably good looking, clean, drug free, with class

You are not with LE

You have a nice clean home in a relatively good neighborhood.

Yes sometimes it takes less time and energy to pick up in a dance bar (disco) lol.

 

After you have proven yourself and earned their trust then you may be in a good position to invite them home for private dances. Sometimes (not always) once one or two dancers (in a particular SC) danced for you and she left your home happy and a lot richer, then the word may get around (dancers talk in private with their close friends in the changing rooms) then you will be labelled as a nice safe gent and you will be even asked if you wish to have private dances. I said sometimes because most dancers would prefer to keep it a secret between you and them as if the word gets around as Megan said, the dancer may get into trouble with other dancers and once other dancers gang up on her then they can make the club a hell for her and she will later gets into trouble with the club itself.

 

If you had luck with your favorite dancer, my advice is to let her know exactly what your requirements are and how much she will be compensated (as a gift) for her time and companionship. Keep it private (do not brag about it to other dancers or friends as you will get them into trouble. It is okay to make a general statement that you have private dances in other clubs but do not reveal their stage or real names).

 

I have had very good success with escorts (that on saw on CL) to bring them over to cerb but almost total failure with dancers for the very true reasons that again Megan pointed out very well. In the past two years I could bring only two dancers to cerb and they just registered without advertising or participating.

[Reddog01 30280]

My memorable experience and my 100th post: I had a favourite stripper I saw regularly over three years and we built up a trusting relationship. We exchanged numbers and she would call me sometimes to say she missed me, enticing me for a visit at the club (Did I mention that I am weak). I helped her a little in setting up a new apartment and we would sit and talk, have a couple of drinks, cuddle and listen to music. We even went out to dinner a few times (She paid a couple of times). We never left the club together but would meet at an arranged location or I would pick her up. We didn’t go all the way sexually, although I had to stop seeing her because it became evident to me that I wanted to cross that line. Eventually, she stood me up on a prearranged overnighter at a hotel and I had to break it off in the interests of mutual self preservation, I think. I know I was getting emotionally involved. However, I was under no illusions (ok maybe a little), as she has her life ahead of her and she is about 20 years younger than I. All this to say, I never paid for dances out side the club but if you build a trust there is room for friendship within limits. After all she is in stripper haven and she is the only one that knows when it is time to leave. When I am ready I will see her again some day just to see how she is doing...I am sure she is just fine but I still love her in some way.

[Addict 467]

Secret-Admirer covered everything I would post....maybe even more. It is true. If you are a respectful client, you can have the luxury of having a private session outside the club.

 

Keep in mind....it is a business. if you lure a dancer away from the club. most likely she would need to be compensated for the money she makes for the entire shift she would have worked.

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

Keep in mind....it is a business. if you lure a dancer away from the club. most likely she would need to be compensated for the money she makes for the entire shift she would have worked.

This is true. I had a client who wanted to take me out to dinner once on a Saturday night. No sex, nothing in private, just dinner. I quoted him $600 which might sound excessive, but I had to give up a Saturday night of dancing (in other words, about $600) to do the dinner with him. He respected that.

 

I also had many guys offer me $500-1000 for sex and they couldn't understand why I would turn it down. Reality is, I could lose my job or be arrested for soliciting sex in the club. $1000 is less than a week's income. Is it really worth losing your job for less than a week's income??

 

It also didn't make sense to me when they wanted private shows for $500 or so because I could make $500 in the club where I feel safe. Why would I take $500 to go off with a stranger when I can make $500 in a place where I am safe?? Of course, this is very different with long-term regular clients.

 

I'm not trying to be a negative Nancy... just throwing out the dancer's perspective :)

[Guest b***b**m]

I dont know why everyone thought i was asking for sex. haha must be my name.

 

How much does the average stripper make in a week? I dont mean to offend if that is too personal.

 

How does the club make money?

 

Megan'sTouch is always educating me :) :butt:

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

I dont know why everyone thought i was asking for sex. haha must be my name.

 

How much does the average stripper make in a week? I dont mean to offend if that is too personal.

 

How does the club make money?

 

Megan'sTouch is always educating me :) :butt:

You may not be asking for sex, but if I client said to me "Come back to my hotel. I don't want sex," I would be highly suspicious that once I arrived at his location, he would want sex.

 

Also, police and club owners wouldn't buy the argument "I was just soliciting him to go back to his place to dance, not for sex." It is risky to meet clients outside the club.

 

It's very difficult to comment on income of dancers because it varies so greatly, but the top earning dancers are making $100/hr or more. The worst dancers might be making $20/hr.

 

The club makes money off drink sales, door fees, and house fees. House fees are what dancers pay to work. Most clubs it is about $20-25 and you are also expected to tip. When I was dancing regularly, my "tipout" was $55 including a cab home so I started every shift $55 in debt.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

I dont know why everyone thought i was asking for sex. haha must be my name.

 

 

How does the club make money?

 

Actually I didnt think that. I was just giving a general perspective of facts about private dances (in my view are facts). A very true song that likely applies to outside CRs too:

 

 

Don't worry about clubs. They make money all right. Not only they charge poor dancers trying to make a living (and they charge cover after 6:00 pm) but mostly they make lots of money by selling booze 3-4 times the price they buy it.

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

Not only they charge poor dancers.....

I'm actually pro-house fee from a strictly labour perspective and I've worked in both models. The first is where I'm an employee and paid to work and paid for stage shows. The second is where I'm an independent contractor and I run my own business and make my own money.

 

When I worked under the first model, I was paid $50 per stage show and I did 4 stage shows per night. Even if I didn't do any dances, I still made $200 per night. As an employee, I was told what days I would work, the hours, what music I would dance to, what to wear onstage, etc. All the normal things you would expect of an employee.

 

As an independent contractor, I run the show, and this is very important to me! Believe it or not, it's actually empowering to the dancers to pay a house fee and maintain their independent contractor status.

 

Another common thing is to not charge a house fee but to take a percentage of the dances. This benefits the low-income earning dancers because if they sell 2 dances and the cut is $5 per dance, they only pay $10. But if a top earning dancer sells 30 dances, she will pay $150 to the club. It only makes sense to have a labour model that rewards the best workers.

 

Also, the house fee system encourages more women to work. When I was an employee and paid to give shows, I was under strict scrutiny for my appearance and they would only hire women that the manager considered to be really hot. I understand that if he's paying me $200/night, he wants to be impressed with my looks and my stage show. However, with the house fee system, most clubs are more than happy to let the dancer work and take her money. This benefits the clients too because more diversity increases the likelihood you'll find a dancer you love.

 

I'll also add that I went home with more money every night when working at clubs that charged me to work than when I was paid $200 right off the bat to show up. I don't care where the money comes from, I just want to go home with money.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

Of course I am not qualified to make a judgement/assessment on house/club fees Megan, but in all these years I have been told by many dancers that they hate that. Good on you if for reasons stated you are supportive.

 

Please note that not many (or not every) dancers are making $100 an hour. I have seen many cases that a poor girl in an SC comes to me complaining about this and asking (virtually pleading to me) to take her to CR so that she can pay off her club fee (tens may be hundreds of cases over the past 10 years). They tell me they have been working for hours and haven't make any money and are tired and want to go home but the club (or DJ) won't allow them because they haven't made enough money to pay off the fee. My heart goes out to these dancers. That is why I seem negative in my post about club fees.

 

I am very surprised to read about club fee as percentage of dances. To my knowledge (again I am not qualified) based on what I have been told by many dancers it is a fixed fee. For example at Barbs it is between $40 to $60 depending on what time the dancer starts.

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

Of course I am not qualified to make a judgement/assessment on house/club fees Megan, but in all these years I have been told by many dancers that they hate that. Good on you if for reasons stated you are supportive.

Well of course we hate it. I hate paying rent, paying taxes, etc. But that doesn't mean there is a viable alternative.

Please note that not many (or not every) dancers are making $100 an hour. I have seen many cases that a poor girl in an SC comes to me complaining about this and asking (virtually pleading to me) to take her to CR so that she can pay off her club fee (tens may be hundreds of cases over the past 10 years). They tell me they have been working for hours and haven't make any money and are tired and want to go home but the club (or DJ) won't allow them because they haven't made enough money to pay off the fee. My heart goes out to these dancers. That is why I seem negative in my post about club fees.

I've seen girls do that because they think it will make them money. Sometimes it works. I personally find it rather pathetic. Some guys do fall for it. They usually view themselves as being above the dancers (and women in general) and they feel good about "saving" the dancer.

 

It's extremely easy to sell one lapdance (the price of the housefee) in a 5-hour shift, but it is possible in theory to not sell one. In all the time I danced I never once saw a dancer work a whole shift without selling a dance. Ultimately stripping is a business, and self-employed people and businesses of all kinds fail. That's life.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

It is my understanding that club fees can be as high as $60 per shift. In a bar with a large number of (some beautiful) dancers it is hard for the other some to get many dances. so they may be some truth to at least some of those cases. in one particular club, dancers have to pay heavy fines too (for a simple reason like being late or leaving early).

 

I don't believe anyone would take a dancer to CR for charity or a feeling of saving the girl. It is a business transaction. If I get a girl to CR that is because I like her and spending time with her. In my case of course inner beauties are as important (if not more) than the outer one as my stamp says lol.

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

It is my understanding that club fees can be as high as $60 per shift.

That is not true in Ottawa. Are you maybe referring to a fine? Quite frankly, if a dancer can't make her house fee, she isn't cut out for the job.

I don't believe anyone would take a dancer to CR for charity or a feeling of saving the girl.

Not anyone?? I met tons of guys who wanted to "save me" when I was dancing. It's not particularly common, but when you speak to 25+ guys per night, you do meet them.

 

Even a few of my clients have admitted to me that they have taken dancers they didn't particularly like to the CR because they felt sorry for them and felt bad saying no.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

That is not true in Ottawa. Are you maybe referring to a fine? .

 

Again I say that based on what I have been told. At Barbs if dancer starts before 7:00 pm it is $40 club fee and after 9:00 or 10:00 pm it is $60 club fee. Have you danced at Barbs?. That place was my favorite SC for many years, but obviously only a dancer who has worked there can verify this, or deny it.

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

Again I say that based on what I have been told. At Barbs if dancer starts before 7:00 pm it is $40 and after 9:00 or 10:00 pm it is $60 club fee. Have you danced at Barbs?. That place was my favorite SC for many years.

At Barbarella's it's $25 before 9pm.

[Cowboy kenny 50799]

Having managed a club or two in the past I can also see the advantages for both sides. Megan is right to say that as an independant contractor your potential for earning goes up you have to work for your money. It's the same as an indy escort vs an agency girl. Indies have to work hard to maintain their reputation and quality of service, an agency girl may not work as hard because the agency will always send another.

 

The fine system is in place for a reason, and it's not to rip the girls off. Their are simple rules to follow, if they don't follow the rules they pay the fine, if there were no fines then the place would be out of control. Fines keep the less responsible girls in line. Also you should be aware that if a dancer is regularly griping to you about being fined all the time then it's likely a ploy for pitty and for you to buy more dances or help her out. She's not being fined, she's pocketing that cash. Not all dancers do this but the lazy ones do, trust me I I've seen it all.

 

As for the bar charging the girls to work, well ya... who's paying the staff security, dj, etc, who's paying the rent, who's paying for the tables the chairs the music etc... who's paying for the marketing and promotion who's paying the taxes. Paying up to 60 dollars a night for the potential to make 3-400 + is a fair investment.

 

Sure operating a strip club might seem like a license to print money and I imagine that it was more profitable back in the day when I worked in the clubs than now, with narrow profit margins and so many other diversions available ie: internet, dvds, better promotion and marketing of escorts etc.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

At Barbarella's it's $25 before 9pm.

 

Well I stand corrected. Obviously your word is a direct say and mine is just a hearsay. I used to be regular there between 2001 to 2006 and may be it was different then but very unlikely that the fee would have actually come down in time.

 

Additional Comments:

Having managed a club or two in the past I can also see the advantages for both sides.

 

. Paying up to 60 dollars a night for the potential to make 3-400 + is a fair investment. .

 

True if it was applicable to all dancers. I believe that yes there are some who make 3-400 + then 60 dollars in club fee is no big deal but not everyone makes that much (especially past 2-3 years have been really bad for some dancers) and that is my whole point. But the club fee is applied equally to everyone. If there has to be a club fee then I believe it is fairer if it will be a percentage of dancers' income rather than a fixed amount but if as Megan said it is only $25 then it is not a big deal really but $60 is a big deal for many if so true in some SCs.

 

I believe that the club is making enough money from selling drinks 3-4 times the price that they should be able to pay off expenses and still make a big profit without charging the ladies, but again I never managed an SC lol (last week a small bottle of wine, not first class wine cost me $17 lol).

[Cowboy kenny 50799]

SA, don't take this the wrong way but snap out it and come back to reality.

 

I did not make a point for any side, i shared my views and my experience.

 

A strip club is a business and thus should be run like one. The profit margins are low and the expenses high. Be happy that they exist and enjoy them for what they are worth from a consumers perspective. Don't try and disect it just enjoy it ! :)

[Capital Hunter 18263]

Enjoy it I am and I will:D. Where on earth will this happen (may be in heaven) that a semi nude beautiful lady, likely half my age will come to me asking me to take her back private so that she can get undressed just for me for nude contact lol?. In an strip bar lol:D. I just wished that those ladies who are giving me/us so much joy were making more money.

[Guest kkottawa]

At Barbarella's it's $25 before 9pm.

 

And after 9 it's $35 and after 10 it's $45 (or more...was told $55 once).

 

And now they have to pay up front instead of at the end of the shift because some girls were skipping out without paying.

[capitalman 3861]

I just wished that those ladies who are giving me/us so much joy were making more money.

 

Well man, ante up then! Everyone got that? Secret Admirer is hereby DOUBLING his donations to all willing ladies that hobby with him.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

Capitalman you have a talent to make a debate personal !!!!. I meant more money if they could keep the money they hard earn for themselves instead of paying $25, $35, $45 or $55 to someone who makes so much out of highly over-priced drinks (club owners), but I guess you knew that already lol.

 

We all go to SCs for these ladies not the DJ or club owners. Without them clubs will have to be closed. So, it is only fair to my mind if they are actually been paid for working there rather than having to pay so that those who may not make much money in this compatitive business (likely based on lack of dancing skills and possibly model like looks too, regardless there are some who don't make as much for whatever reason) would make money regardless. Cleopatra in Montreal actually pays the dancers and it is the only bar that I know still swampt with both dancers and customers lol. So should all SCs, in my view.

 

My concern is not for those who make 3-400 + but for those who do not or hardly any lol. In above scenario everyone leaves home with money and happy to come back or go on stage while there, and there would be more dances, more frequent stage shows, more customers show up (and less bored customers) and more money for the clubs. Everyone would be a winner.

 

I think the reason SCs have gone down is only partly due to no-smoking and open CR (and internet escorts) bylaws but also the fact that contrary to before (in the 90's) there are a lot less frequent stage shows. Customers get bored and leave. My 2 cents on that.

[Cowboy kenny 50799]

SA, clubs have house dancers who are paid and independents, those who pay the house fee to work. As Megan has clearly explained the benefits to both positions. The opportunity is always there for a indy to become a house dancer, if she's interested but it means conforming to a preset schedule and being more of an employee, that might not suit everyone's tastes, so the options are there for the dancers to choose which suits them best.

 

While the dancers are the main attraction, the club needs the other positions to create the ambiance and safe environment for your entertainment needs. Those people work equally as hard, to create the atmosphere you seem to enjoy and without them your experience would be considerably different. To you drinks may seem over priced, but how else do you expect the house dancers to get paid ? A strip club has the same expenditures of a regular bar plus having to the flat fee to the house dancers.

 

I'll leave you to defend your comments about older strippers and those with children, you might want to reconsider what you've said there. It offends me and I'm not a stripper or woman.