To Snip or Not to Snip?? That is the Question

[PistolPete 61421]

I personally find the cut penis to be more appealing than an uncut one.

 

Whatsup

With the skin pulled back, you would not be able to tell from a distance, unless of course you need to get up close:lol:

I like to think that ALL the ladies I see they find my penis appealing ;) I don't need a man to find my penis appealing..thanks ! :mrgreen:

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

What???? I can tell ya Nadia... me and my circumcised penis, we enjoy sex... a lot.... and the sensitivity thing... absolutely NOT true.

Maybe I'm wrong, but in my experience with penises, I find the circumcized ones less sensitive ie. I have to work harder to make a circumcized guy reach orgasm.

[Loki318 1631]

Oh well I guess I'm against breast enhancement too ... :) unless for medical reasons

 

Loki318

 

 

 

What???? I can tell ya Nadia... me and my circumcised penis, we enjoy sex... a lot.... and the sensitivity thing... absolutely NOT true.

 

 

 

Loki... I am unsure about your science. Would that mean that men should be the only ones polled about the need for breast enhancement?

[Guest S***e]

I didn't cast a vote either way as I believe this is an informed decision you have to make as a parent. I was circumcised as an infant in the late 1940s in the hospital not all that long after I was born. I had no choice in the matter and that's where I have a problem with this issue. Everything works just fine as it should, however whether it's been an advantage or disadvantage, I have no idea. To me cleanliness is very important and perhaps it made things a little easier for me in that respect, however a clean person is a clean person and they will be that way accordingly. I have some reservations as to whether or not the procedure is of any value and frankly, may years ago I did tell my parents (now long deceased) that I was less than thrilled that they had this done to be as an infant to which they responded, "We did the best we could for you at the time and we thought it was the right thing to do." My father was not circumcised however, my parents opted to have it done to me. Having it done for medical reasons is another story as there have been cases where an erection becomes painful due to the foreskin being too tight which required the procedure being done later on in life. I've never had children, however, upon reflection, I would have chosen to not have the procedure done on my male child and would have left the decision for him as he matured all while explaining proper hygiene procedures to him.

[PistolPete 61421]

Maybe I'm wrong' date=' but in my experience with penises, I find the circumcized ones less sensitive ie. I have to work harder to make a circumcized guy reach orgasm.[/quote']

 

Yes it can very sensitive depending on what you are doing. If you are putting on lots of lube while giving an amazing :jackoff: its all good, but if the lady is ripping on your penis, the pull back can hurt to a point. Which also can be with an SP when the condom goes on,the actually rolling of the condom can pull the skin back more and be painful. But with all the foreplay before hand the skin is already lubed and drawn back and ready for the condom, very seldom does it happen where the condom may hurt.

 

 

Lastly I have been know to last a while:handjob: so sometimes you might need to work on it a little longer. The MA's I've seen truly know how to tease me,play with me and of course having an orgasm, its not just in the penis it is also in the bigger brain,it is in your breathing control how to last longer and enjoy the long wonderful foreplay until the final climax!

[Guest S***e]

Having been circumsized (see my post), I'm having some very wild thoughts Megan in light of your comments...very wet ones! LOL Whether you would have to increase the effort on this ol' dog remains to been tested, however I'm more than confident in your abilities. <runs off laughing> Megan, you're too cute. What more can I say as you are adorable.

 

Maybe I'm wrong' date=' but in my experience with penises, I find the circumcized ones less sensitive ie. I have to work harder to make a circumcized guy reach orgasm.[/quote']

[777flyer 1612]

I always enjoy these types of discussions, because people are so passionate...... and rightly so ......... look what we are talking about !

 

The specialist who delivered both my sons, told me there was absolutely NO medical reason to have a circumcision, and if I decided to have my sons circumcised it was a very minor procedure......

 

The overriding factor the Doctor told me, was to be like father like son, one that both my wife and I wholeheartedly agreed upon......both my sons are circumcised, so they can be like 'Dad'.......

 

That was the basis of my decision......:mrgreen:

 

SNK

[CMJ 14869]

Megan has already eloquently beat me to it.

 

IMO, male circumcision is basically equivalent to female circumcision and I can guarantee if this were a girl we were talking about, everyone and their mother would be up in arms about such an atrocity. Boys are no different.

 

Just teach your kid how to clean properly and you will have no problems.

 

Much like my irritation at people's imagined right to randomly touch someone else's child, you as a parent don't have the right to snip your kid's genitals. Let him make the decision when he's old enough, if he cares to.

 

First of all, you are entitled to your opinion however, you cannot compare male circumcsion to female genital mutilation whatsoever - female genital mutilation often leaves the little girl sowen up to preserve her "purity" with enough room for urine ad period blood to flow through - she is then cut open by her husband for sex after marriage. Also, there is no sexual pleasure for the woman at all because often, her entire clitoris has been cut off.

 

I am a law and human rights graduate so I have studied my fair share on the topic and I am sorry but a comparison cannot be made.

 

I also, do not agree with your statement about myself as a parent not having a right to make a decision such as that. Actually, I do have such a right, just like I have the right to decide which school he goes to and how I raise him and whether or not to get him vaccinated etc, and if I choose to exercise my right, I would rather it be done when he is less then a month old to avoid further complications, not to mention the pain factor.

 

This is not an easy decision to make - I have seen my fair share of male bits and bites over 11 years I have been in thebusiness and I have see many , painful and deformed looking parts due to the foreskin not pulling back properly. If I could forsee the future and could guarantee my son would have a fully retractible foreskin that didn't interfer with anything then we wouldnt be having this conversation - however one cannot guarantee natures cooperation even if I teach him everyday to properly clean and pull it back.

[canuckhooker 19203]

CMJ touches on a key point. Leaving someone uncut does not guarantee someone will be free of problems. I am cut, my brother was not, and he had his share of issues, and trust me my mother was a demon about personal hygiene. I can tell you, during my army days, I was glad I was snipped , when I was going 10 to 14 days without a shower. Lot easier to do a bird bath when you are not wearing a turtle neck.

 

I don't think I have suffered in the sensitivity department, hell sometimes it is too sensitive, so I am pretty sure I am not missing anything. ( I know there are a few people reading this who could offer comment. :P)

 

A lot of people are saying, leave it until they are adults to decide. I can tell you that it is a hell of a lot more painful and problematic to have it done when you are an adult. I don't recall having this done as a kid, and as I have seen, most babies recover very quickly with no lasting problems.

 

My $.02

[Old Dog 179138]

Circumcision is a matter of choice, plain and simple. In the secular world the option still remains for it to be done or not and I can assure you it is not a decision to be taken lightly. I was fortunate enough not to have to make it; I have two beautiful daughters and not sons.

 

As has been stated before, this is an issue that evokes a great deal of passion, and to this end I myself have been passionate in the defense of my parents and their decision to circumcise their four sons. As 777 stated, the decision to make the boys match dad probably was the principle argument; however, at the time (late 50's through the mid 60's) most male children born in North America (as many as 85% in 1965) were circumcised.

 

My argument is neither pro or anti circumcision; the males in this debate represent both sides. We live and thrive with the equipment we have, whether modified or not. We are here because we love the company of women. What is clear is that the poll has returned (thus far) a virtual dead heat regarding circumcision.

 

CMJ, I do believe that the opinions expressed have touched on a number of issues that may influence your decision. I am sure that you will make it based on the best possible future for your son. Regardless of that decision, may you and yours enjoy a healthy and prosperous future together... and congratulations!

[Capital Hunter 18263]

I am not coming down on either side of the debate as I believe it is the decision for the legal guardian to make, however, I have read that based on substantial research, the chances for sexually transmitted diseases are significantly less in circumcised men, not to mention that it is easier to maintain a good hygiene over there.

 

One of many articles:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/63744.php

[PistolPete 61421]

I am not coming down on either side of the debate as I believe it is the decision for the legal guardian to make, however, I have read that based on substantial research, the chances for sexually transmitted diseases are significantly less in circumsized men, not to mention that it is easier to maintain a good hygiene of the organ.

 

One of many articles:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/63744.php

 

I said it once and will say it again, it's bullshit. You can post many and I MEAN MANY medical BS links, but end result would be "both ways is acceptable"....

 

"significantly less" ya right! keep dreamin! Did some research??Posting a link you ran across?

 

We live in North America not in another continent.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

I said it once and will say it again, it's bullshit. You can post many and I MEAN MANY medical BS links, but end result would be "both ways is acceptable"....

 

"significantly less" ya right! keep dreamin! Did some research??Posting a link you ran across?

 

We live in North America not in another continent.

 

Good Lord!!!. I am not sure or frankly can't even begin to understand the reason for such a (apparently) hostile reaction on a friendly board like this from a valued member!!!!. First of all I said I am neutral on the topic and expressed the result of something that I have read on many occasions since I carried out research on STD transmission for months before deciding on the hobby to minimize hiv/std transmission (and I can post many more links) and I thought I share it as I (we) were asked to share in the thread. It is not really an important subject to me to get emotional over!!!.

 

In This continent too lots of boys/men are circumcised and circumscision is is not limited to another continent, world or planet or those who believe are not necessarily foreigners or alliens either!!!. Assuming those who do are not (normal or good) North Americans is not right. I never realized it is such an important hot topic or I wouldn't have posted about something that I couldnt care really one way or another. BTW, if I have a boy one day, likely I will not circumcise him. When he is of age, he can decide for himself. It is his body lol.

[PistolPete 61421]

The attack (if that is what you think it is) is about the link you posted. It is not a hostile response to you directly SA, but to the key issue is it specifically deals with another continent. You stated

 

"I have read that based on substantial research, the chances for sexually transmitted diseases are significantly less in circumsized men"

 

Of course the STI/STD'S and AIDS issue is problematic in those Countries. Deal with specific's not issues that were examined in 2007 when those transmissions were rampant in those Countries.The world just caught on when AIDS was rampant throughout the world in the early 2000's.

 

As the link you posted is about HIV and AIDS, here is some history on the link you had researched from a goggle search.

 

 

In the beginning of the AIDS epidemic was a subtle shift in the genetic material of a virus which allowed the virus to become zoonotic, meaning that it could be transferred from animals to people. Over a period of time which probably lasted for decades, the virus was repeatedly transmitted from primates in Africa to people, and eventually it established a foothold in the human population and began spreading itself beyond the boundaries of the African continent. By the time scientists and medical professionals were able to connect all the dots, the AIDS epidemic had spread across much of the world; as of 2007, over 33 million people worldwide were infected with HIV, the virus which develops into AIDS.

 

I don't think the link you posted has anything to do with "to snip or not to snip"

 

There is various reasons either to have your son circumcised, or not having it done. Ultimately it is the parents discretion and I'm sure their GP will tell them the same. I don't think that links about diseases would come into play for a new born child do you?

 

And please do not post anymore links about STD's,HIV'S,AIDS.

 

I know that everyone here is quite aware of the issue's involved in hobbying,providing service, going to SC's.. etc.. etc..

 

Not being hostile..Thanks!

 

BTW here is more valued and respected from the

American Academy of Pediatrics:

Q. We are expecting a son in a few months. Should I have him circumcised?

 

A. This is one of the more controversial topics in Pediatrics today. The American Academy of Pediatrics, in their most recent Circumcision Policy Statement, concluded that 'data are not sufficient to recommend routine neonatal circumcision' and that 'parents should determine what is in the best interest of the child'. Since the statement didn't really come out for or against circumcision, it left many parents still asking the question, 'Should I have my son circumcised?'

It may help to look at some of the reasons that parents use to have their sons circumcised. One common reason is because 'everyone else is circumcised'. This is really not true at all. Worldwide, only about 10% of males are circumcised, and even in the United States, circumcision rates have declined from 80% in 1980 to 64% in 1995. The incidence of circumcision in the United States today is probably even less. Many online polls show an incidence of about 50%. Current data shows that the incidence of circumcision also depends on where you live in the US, with a high of 81% in the Midwest to a low of 36% in the West.

Parents sometimes want their son circumcised because they think that the uncircumcised penis is too hard to take care of and keep clean. This is not true. The uncircumcised or intact penis is relatively easy to take care. In fact, until the foreskin begins to retract, no special care is required. Once the foreskin does retract, you, or your child once he is old enough, can just gently retract the foreskin, clean the head of the penis with soap and water, rinse, and then pull the foreskin back over the head of the penis.

Another reason is that there 'are medical benefits for being circumcised', including a lower risk of urinary tract infections, penile cancer and sexually transmitted diseases. Most studies do show that uncircumcised male infants have about a 10 fold increase in UTIs, but the overall risk of an uncircumcised male infant getting a UTI is relatively low, only about 1%. Penile cancer is also more common in uncircumcised men, but this type of cancer is very rare anyway. And there is also a "small correlation between the uncircumcised male and risk for STDs".1

While these medical conditions seem to support circumcision, the American Academy of Pediatrics states that "almost all uncircumcised boys can be taught proper hygiene that can lower their chances of getting infections, cancer of the penis, and sexually transmitted diseases".2

Other conditions that only occur in uncircumcised males and which can sometimes require a later circumcision include infections of the foreskin, phimosis (inability to retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (inability to pull the foreskin back over the head of the penis after it has been retracted).

It is also important to look at the reasons not to have a circumcision, including the risk of bleeding, pain from the procedure, infection, injury to the head of the penis, and penile sensation deficits. Children who are circumcised are also at increased risk of meatitis, or inflammation of the urethral opening.

In the end, one of the major reasons that many parents want to circumcise their child is because they want their son to look like their father, who is circumcised. Does it matter if a father is circumcised, but his children aren't? This is one area where some research is needed. There are many situations where a father and son aren't both circumcised. Premature infants are often too sick to be circumcised, and with all of the other medical issues that come up, circumcision is often not thought about. Step-fathers and adoptive parents also may not be 'the same' as their children. Does it make a difference to these children? A formal study that shows no difference would probably help to decrease the incidence of circumcisions even further.

With all that is known about the minimal medical benefits and the possible risks of circumcision, whether or not to have your son circumcision should be more of a cultural (ritual circumcision by the Jewish religion and Muslims, etc) than a medical question.

A better question would be 'Does my new baby boy need a circumcision?' The answer to that one is much easier. No, he doesn't need a circumcision.

 

 

 

NOW THAT INFO above is more interesting is it not?

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

Based logic rule to remember - Correlation does not mean causation.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

Pete, I viewed it as hostile (I did not say attack either) because you appear to be saying that since I am circumcized (which btw, was not my choice) then I don't belong to this continent!!!. Or those who are supportive of the view (myself not included), do not either. Also you asked me to dream on for just posting a medical article and apparently made fun of my research ability (BTW, I have a doctorate degree. Granted not in medical science but in engineering (yes from this continent) but nevertherless I have proven to be quite capable of conducting research).

 

All above aside, I was shocked to be criticized for something that I really do NOT have an opinion, one way or another and to be honest if I want to express a view, I would say that leave it to the boy to grow up and decide for himself what to do with his body.

 

I posted a link and I am confident that the readers can (if they wish) read it and make their own conclusions and you Pete, respectfully, if you wished, you could counter it by posting a counter- link (so to speak) as you did later (likely copied and pasted from a link) in your second respond (post #39) but you could have done it in your original response (#37) instead of (likely) making fun of my research abilities lol.

[PistolPete 61421]

Based logic rule to remember - Correlation does not mean causation.

 

Yes I agree with you Megan 100%. We could go on for pages of threads medical links. End result is parental decision,that is why I don't think posting a link about HIV and AIDS is about the key issue in this thread.

 

Thanks!

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

Pete, I viewed it as hostile (I did not say attack either) because you appear to be saying that since I am circumcized (which btw, was not my choice) then I don't belong to this continent!!!.

Medical information gathered from other continents is not necessarily applicable to us. That is how I interpreted Pete's post, but of course I can't speak for him.

[PistolPete 61421]

Medical information gathered from other continents is not necessarily applicable to us. That is how I interpreted Pete's post' date=' but of course I can't speak for him.[/quote']

 

BINGO! very correct thanks Megan

[Capital Hunter 18263]

I am now all totally confused!!!. All humans react same to the virus. The virus does not discreminate based on race, color or continent. So, excuse me for not getting it at the first place (likely there is a mis-communication here too!!??). BTW, Both trials in my attached link, were sponsored by the US National Institutes of Health. And the reason the research was conducted in Africa was because unfortunately that is the continent where most unprotected sex takes place because of lack of education on prevention and likely also unavailability of preventive means.

 

And also attaching a link was relevant to the thread because we were asked to comment on pros and cons and that was what I did

 

Men, both cut and natural - what is your opinion and arguments? Pros and Cons?

 

And the link was a back up for my comment. And so was the copy and paste from a certain link in your post #39 was a backup for your counter-comment. The advantage for the link is to provide the option to the readers to open and view it but only if they so wish.

[pipercub 795]

I too am not circumsized and have no regrets whatsoever. Good hygene which we are obligated to teach our children will solve any potential problems which may occur. That being said it is still up to the parents to decide what is best for thier child.

[Naughty_Nadia 100]

I just still can't get over the fact that it makes sex feel less pleasurable. Sex is amazing, who would want to deny their child the full experience of it?

[Old Dog 179138]

I just still can't get over the fact that it makes sex feel less pleasurable. Sex is amazing, who would want to deny their child the full experience of it?

 

But Nadia... that is a fallacy. It doesn't make it less pleasurable.

[Naughty_Nadia 100]

It causes the head of the penis to rub up against things like the inside of your clothing all day, instead of being protected by the foreskin. This causes it to desensitize over time, and since it's where the majority of the nerves in the penis are, it makes sex less pleasurable.

[777flyer 1612]

Nadia,

 

Not less pleasurable, less sensitive.....which actually in my case is a GOOD thing, sometimes I can't control myself....and ....... ahem, am a wee bit premature.......

 

God help me if i were even more sensitive............I can't imagine being any MORE premature........ :ablow:

 

NOT ADMITTING THAT IT HAPPENS THAT OFTEN...........:bddog: