Client recommendations?

[Hector17 9215]

Isn't discretion the #1 or 1 A) reason a man seeks an SP or MA ?

[roamingguy 300292]

Ladies have their own screening methods

And ladies should be the ones to decide if needs be, amongst each other, screening methods

It's not for us clients to advocate how a lady screens, just support a lady when she asks a client for screening information from a prospective client

Sometimes as part of screening, they look at a board member's posting history

Hence why often a lady wants a prospective client to confirm his board handle by PM

Also there is the Ladies' Only section on Lyla

But who knows what is discussed on the SP Only section of Lyla (which is btw part of this board, just gentlemen not allowed)

Just because us men don't see it on Lyla doesn't mean it isn't there

And even though I'm not allowed, nor never will be allowed access, I don't feel excluded ;-)

 

RG

[Mister T 45020]

The idea has been brought up several time before

 

here: https://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=126558

 

and here: http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=8728&highlight=reviewing+client

 

Privacy, discretion and confidentiality were often brought up against.

 

Addendum;

References and it's alternatives (when offered for new clients to the business), is an option.

[Tempted Monk 5057]

The idea has been brought up several time before

 

here: https://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=126558

 

and here: http://www.lyla.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=8728&highlight=reviewing+client

 

Privacy, discretion and confidentiality were often brought up against.

 

Addendum;

References and it's alternatives (when offered for new clients to the business), is an option.

Thank you to mistert, we have the references to two old threads regarding the same question. I believe there was even earlier similar discussion in 2006 or 2007 but I could not find that thread.

Considering that this idea is alive for many years and pops up from time to time, there is probably something here and it is not so bad.

Regarding the discretion and confidentiality, I don't see much difference between client giving recommendation to the Lady or Lady giving recommendation to the client (but maybe I am missing something here). And of course I did not mean any ratings or scores, exactly like it is for Ladies.

[Gabriella Laurence 301887]

Regarding the discretion and confidentiality, I don't see much difference between client giving recommendation to the Lady or Lady giving recommendation to the client (but maybe I am missing something here).

Tempted Monk,

 

Read the links and you will understand the difference. If after reading the threads you are still unsure, let me know and I will gladly explain ;)

[roamingguy 300292]

Thank you to mistert, we have the references to two old threads regarding the same question. I believe there was even earlier similar discussion in 2006 or 2007 but I could not find that thread.

Considering that this idea is alive for many years and pops up from time to time, there is probably something here and it is not so bad.

Regarding the discretion and confidentiality, I don't see much difference between client giving recommendation to the Lady or Lady giving recommendation to the client (but maybe I am missing something here). And of course I did not mean any ratings or scores, exactly like it is for Ladies.

 

The difference is this. A client's recommendation of a lady is directed to other potential clients of a lady to see because she is a wonderful companion

A lady's screening methods are to determine if potential clients are safe to see. And when it comes to a lady's safety she is going to use tried and proven methods of screening (client's name, email, phone number, reference etc) It isn't done by having a list of client's name on Lyla.

It is done on an individual basis.

Your intent may be good, but really, you're trying to fix something that isn't broken.

And to reiterate, first guys should have no part in telling ladies how to screen. And second, how do we know what goes on in the Ladies Only Section...I don't. Maybe they utilize that section in part in their screening

A morning rambling before coffee number one

 

RG

[Eric Northman 16522]

I have a theory about those who ask for this 'feature'. I don't think it's REALLY because they want to help the ladies screen or otherwise choose men. As has been pointed out, they already have ways to do that. Also, there are already things like P411 and such that have rating systems for clients.

 

So OP, I'm about to cast aspersions on your motives. I hope you don't take it personally but what I think you and others who have lobbied for this in the past REALLY want is to know is what the ladies think of them. They want to know how they rank, are they actually good in bed, are they attractive, do they have something about them that makes them better than the other guys, etc. It's a competition thing. He who gets the most positive recos wins.

 

Thing is though, think about the position it puts the ladies in. As soon as they write a reco for one client, other clients could potentially be put off. Maybe they don't want a reco written. Maybe they're jealous if one guy got a reco and they didn't. Besides, could a lady ever really write down a true opinion? Their position in the relationship is very different than yours. They will be sexy and intimate with all manner of men, some of whom they might never touch with a ten foot pole in 'real life'. Because they are professionals, they will give their best effort to make that man feel special and enjoy his time with her.

 

Perhaps you're a great client. Maybe you rocked her world. Or maybe you're just ordinary and she faked it. Would you REALLY want to know? This is about fantasy, about believing what we want to believe. There's no room for truth here because, if truth be told, by definition most of us are pretty average. The business model depends on making you feel special. If the ladies were to suddenly develop a case of truthiness, we would probably be dismayed to find out just how forgettable many of us are.

[misterdiscretion2014 2032]

I think there is something to the idea that some gentlemen would like a reco section for hobbyists because they'd like to know how they "rank", for lack of a better term, but they would probably be disappointed by the criteria most sp's would use to grade them as clients. Things like hygiene, willingness to submit to screening, not haggling on prices, not insisting on a menu, etc, would be much higher on their lists than say, prowess between the sheets. I don't want to pull back the curtain on the wizard of oz for anyone, but I don't think a hobbyist's skills are of much concern to the average sp. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure they think it's a lovely bonus when you show some level of competency in bed, but it's hardly a dealbreaker if you're all thumbs.

 

If recent board subjects are any indication, not sending a d**k pic puts you in elite company :p

[CristyCurves 169032]

I think it unfair for anyone to assume why the op suggested this. Only he knows his reasons.

What some think is a good idea, others will not. There are as many good reasons for having a reco section for hobbyists as there are bad.

The arguments about size, performance are mute since no one should be mentioning those things any way, we are getting paid to spend time with one another, after all. As far as jealousy for being up talked or excluded, if companions can handle that couldn't hobbyists? As far as what's written or even if one is written, there could be a rule that you have to be okayed by the hobbyist before doing so, but....

All these aren't viable anyway as the mod in an old post said writing these would be pushing the boundaries of the law. So next idea:)

[roamingguy 300292]

If this is being thought of because a client would like to know how he rates in comparison to other clients, my question is this. Who cares. The lady's other clients are likely not even known to him, or at the most, known only as a board handle and vice versa. If that is the case, that someone is concerned about other clients, kinda comes across as a tad insecure

A good client wouldn't want to be part of this "recommendation" pool, because he wouldn't want to put a lady he's seen in the unenviable position of ranking her clients

And a recommendation from a client about a lady is not the same as a reference from a lady about a client. Although I'll grant you, while it may appear analogous, they are not the same.

And yes, it has been brought up and discussed before. But more importantly, not accepted. That in itself should be an indicator that it isn't going to be accepted now

And since now clients pay a companion only for time and companionship what criteria are men rated on. Is the lady going to say he played a good game of checkers LOL. Any discussion, by lady or gentleman discussing a paid sexual encounter now (thanks to MacKay and the CPC) is verboten.

We only see companions for time and companionship

At the end of the day the only thing that matters (besides the lady and myself having had a wonderful escape) is that she was happy with me as a client and I was happy with her as a companion.

Being put in some recommendation pool won't change that

An after lunch rambling

 

RG

[Tempted Monk 5057]

I did my home work (thanks to Gabriella's recommendation) and came to a couple of conclusions.

 

1) There are 71 posts altogether in 3 threads from different years on this topic. Only 9 of them are posted by SPs. It looks like Ladies are not interested in this idea at all, even in the discussion of it. Obviously, without Ladies support, this idea is dead born regardless of any reasoning or "grey" legal area. So, nothing to discuss here and probably additional explanations are not required.

 

2) The style of discussion (based on the same subject) evolved over years. Nowadays it became more informative and multidimensional: OP has the opportunity to learn a lot of new things about him/ her-self based just on the suggested subject :-)

[50 Shades Raven 31380]

 

There are 71 posts altogether in 3 threads from different years on this topic. Only 9 of them are posted by SPs. It looks like Ladies are not interested in this idea at all, even in the discussion of it. Obviously, without Ladies support, this idea is dead born regardless of any reasoning or "grey" legal area. So, nothing to discuss here and probably additional explanations are not required.

 

 

it seems pretty obvious from the lack of SPs that have availed themselves of this have not brought it to fruition that it is indeed a dead issue.

 

I personally don't want to 'rate' clients.

If a lady asks me about a client that has used me as a reference, I will tell if I have or have not seen the person. I don't go into precise details about the tryst, I may say enjoyable, punctual, courteous, etc. But, only if a lady has asked me.

 

Like Tempted Monk states, I wouldn't want to put clients on the edge by 'rating' them, as it seems.

 

Best to leave the recommendations to the clients themselves.

[VedaSloan 119179]

Public client recos are kinda redundant:

 

1. We already have a bad-date section.

2. There is also the note feature.

 

Also, it feels weird to me to reco a client. I mean, as far as I'm concerned, as long as you did nothing to warrant being black-listed, and your hygiene is good, you're ok by me.

[roamingguy 300292]

One other thought here.

Yes we are all, ladies and gentlemen alike part of the same lifestyle, opposite sides of the same coin if you will.

But for the ladies, it is their livelihood

For men, it is their escape

The reason for writing a recommendation on a lady is to help her business, her livelihood

Why would I as a client want to be rated/judged in comparison to other clients for what is supposed to be a private escape

And what gets rated/judged. Isn't part of the reason for the escape to be in a judgement free zone if you will

Also doesn't this open the door to a client telling a lady "give me a good public recommendation and I'll write you a good recommendation too"

A rambling

 

RG

[fortunateone 156618]

Public client recos are kinda redundant:

 

1. We already have a bad-date section.

2. There is also the note feature.

 

Also, it feels weird to me to reco a client. I mean, as far as I'm concerned, as long as you did nothing to warrant being black-listed, and your hygiene is good, you're ok by me.

 

 

 

i don't know if this is covered already, but my #3 is that there are FAR TOO MANY GREAT, GOOD AND OK clients, there is no way I'm writing up a blurb on all of them, let alone the discretionary reasons for not doing that, like EVER.

 

Another site is very big on the referral system (avoiding LE bylaw stings being the #1 reason). So clients post their review, and the sp replies in the review. That is the extent of her 'reco' so to speak lol

 

The reason for the reply is to confirm that this is a legitimate client, not LE looking to give out tickets for not having the city escort license, for example. also, by implication that this is a guy who makes the appt, and shows up, and by replying she can confirm (or refute) the info in the review, meaning that other sps can either avoid him (due to what or how he wrote his review) or see him, as they wish.

 

Of course this means initial contact with sps will be via pm to book by the same handle that the review was written with.

 

in most cities, in most situations, it is unnecessary to do this. If an sp wants to screen a client more thoroughly, she will ask him to provide references, contact the sps to let them know she will be asking about him, and wait for them to reply. All behind the scenes, all discreet, all private, and no other clients viewing the comments. Not even the client himself.

 

Here sps are not permitted to reply in their own recos, so having that as a public 'referral' method isn't going to happen.

[Eric Northman 16522]

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Another site is very big on the referral system (avoiding LE bylaw stings being the #1 reason). So clients post their review, and the sp replies in the review. That is the extent of her 'reco' so to speak lol

 

The reason for the reply is to confirm that this is a legitimate client, not LE looking to give out tickets for not having the city escort license, for example. also, by implication that this is a guy who makes the appt, and shows up, and by replying she can confirm (or refute) the info in the review, meaning that other sps can either avoid him (due to what or how he wrote his review) or see him, as they wish.

 

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Here sps are not permitted to reply in their own recos, so having that as a public 'referral' method isn't going to happen.

 

Isn't that interesting? Good point. I guess the closest analog to that on this site would be when a lady pushes the 'thanks' button on a reco about her or posts to your wall.

[PistolPete 61421]

P411 is not rating system. It is strictly a screening process for ladies safety. The gentleman will have his profile filled out, pay for his yearly membership there is more personal questions about yourself within this system .

 

Within your P411 identification there is part of your real identity. The ladies look at your profile, if you are preparing a meeting. Gentleman will have what they call oK's from ladies that you have met previously, (you must get their permission and they ok you as a client) the list of okays are readily available on your profile for other ladies to view.

 

That said, now the date, well the lady you're wanting to see will contact other ladies that given you an ok, to ensure their safety. No different then our ladies private section here. This just cuts the chase for the gent getting screened rather quickly. I've used it many times for traveling abroad.

 

 

Also, there are already things like P411 and such that have rating systems for clients.

[NotchJohnson 214123]

I couldn't care less about a rating for the gentleman, but to me it's a bad idea. First off on this site we can only have positive things to say and if you(the lady) don't have anything positive to say about the client(us men) then you can't say anything at all.

 

So to complete the discussion everyone here will get something positive on their recommendation or nothing at all. We are all winners.

[Eric Northman 16522]

P411 is not rating system. It is strictly a screening process for ladies safety. The gentleman will have his profile filled out, pay for his yearly membership there is more personal questions about yourself within this system .

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That's more or less what I meant. It's a 'rating' system inasmuch as it rates clients on what the ladies care about. Which, in most cases, is simply whether or not they're 'OK'. It's certainly not reviews or anything that would be interesting to clients.

 

I was responding the the argument that 'a client rating system would help ladies know which guys were good to see,' and pointing out that such services already exist.

[LeeRichards 177238]

Sooooooooooooo

 

Twelve monks were about to be ordained.

 

The final test was for them to line up nude in a garden while a nude model danced before them. Each monk had a small bell attached to his privates and they were told that anyone whose bell rang would not be ordained because he had not reached a state of purity.

 

The model danced before the first monk candidate with no reaction.

 

She proceeded down the line with the same response until she got to the final monk. As she danced, his bell rang so loudly that it fell off and clattered to the ground.

 

Embarrassed, he bent down to pick up the bell, and all the other bells went off.